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GhostOrchid

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  1. Sticky & Sweet tour 100%. Was lucky enough to see it live from the fan pit, without watching any clips prior and not knowing what to expect and I was mindblown.
  2. She's in her 'later era Picasso' phase. The art of the ugly
  3. I quite like these. I think people are more likely to wear t-shirts with these on them than actual photographs of Madonna.
  4. all the songs that are performed in the show are probably mentioned in the tour book. she wanted to keep them a secret until the 1st show is over
  5. Oh I agree with you, my favorite producers are Pat and Shep. True Blue, LAP and ROL are in my top 5. I'm just saying that it's not entirely due to his musical genius. She wanted those kind of songs and he was there. Imagine that back in 1992 she told Shep -"listen, i want 14 songs of Vogue and Rescue Me, I want to rule the charts and pop radio". He would now be the most celebrated person by those same fans.
  6. Someone made a good point that they deliberately left it out for the first show so that the track list isn't revealed
  7. True, except we do know based on the interviews her collaborators gave over the years. Especially Pat who elaborated on every single song they did together, there's a recent interview on youtube when he was promoting his Madonna-inspired live shows. Yes, he would start with something on his piano, but she would lay a melody over it.
  8. Madonna chooses a collaborator based on what she wants to achieve with a particular song/recording. She wanted catchy pop- she got Pat on board. She wanted raw material with deep beats- she told Pettibone how she wanted it done. Melodies are Madonna's own, as confirmed by almost everyone she ever worked with, and the lack of them on Erotica was a deliberate choice. Pat is an amazing musician and collaborator, but he was also lucky that those were the type of songs she wanted at the time.
  9. He did actually! Thanks for reminding me. So yeah that one was probably planned as a 5th single in the US and was ready for radio plays
  10. It's theater... it's cabaret... It's absolute perfection. Sometimes i play the tour and just admire how perfect everything is. Except for her lip synching in JML.
  11. Maybe because Erotica video wasn't banned as they expected. MTV only reduced it to late night plays.
  12. Further proof for me in favor of Waiting remix being planned as a single was when earlier this year Warner released the Rain single on digital platforms, Madonna promoted it by heavily incorporating Waiting remix in her IG stories, not a single mention of Rain. I think she's still pissed it was chosen over Waiting which was good and ready to go and then cancelled. And it's not a duet with some nobody, Everlast's band was the talk of the country at that time. Imagine going up to an artist and saying- hey, do you wanna duet for a b-side? That guy was promised a feature on a Madonna single
  13. But they must have known that radios and especially TV wouldn't play it. The initial chart success faded quickly because everybody only tuned in to see the naked Madonna and hear her (once probably) talk about sexual fantasies. JML had something in it that you want to keep listening to over and over. For the general public Erotica really doesn't. It was a really risky move on their part - to choose that song to lead the whole era. In my opinion that would have been the perfect 3rd single, to release along the book and the movie. Good few months after the album hit hard. But, they chose to give in to her demands I think.
  14. I think with Erotica single specifically, and the video, Warner was praying their asses off for it to not be a disaster. But I think they gave her that initial freedom as agreed in the 60 million contract she had signed earlier. Justify My Love was fresh, yes. Erotica was pure gamble.
  15. Yeah, lightning doesn't strike twice. She was into a lot of spoken word around that time. Nice ass btw
  16. Damage control could also mean Madonna and Warner having sat at a table, like adults, and deciding how to change the course of action to meet sales targets. I don't know how these meetings look. Not like she was grounded and sent to her room. But I imagine they had the last say in what was happening in this particular case.
  17. If only this was the order of releases, this would have been a smash album: - Deeper and deeper, 1st single - Erotica album - Bad girl, 2nd single - Erotica, 3rd single / Sex book / Body of evidence (all sexually themed, would serve as a great cross-promotion, to be released at the same time 3-4 months after the album which would give it time to kill it in sales)
  18. Yes well, everybody tuned in to see and hear the new Madonna, but this quickly faded away as it's not a song non-fans would play on repeat.
  19. Thank you. I learn something new every day. This is also the evidence that damage control was indeed taking place and that singles were not going as planned.
  20. It's not only about being sexually charged, but they also needed to be commercially appealing and catchy. Therefore, Daniel Abraham was brought in to "fix" Fever and Rain. Waiting feat. Everlast was probably planned as a single (imo). there is no reason to bring in a major artist at the time to duet for a b-side. Madonna always has the last say as long as the sales targets are met. If not, the label steps in.
  21. It's possible that Bad Girl was supposed to be the 2nd single, i'm not sure though. Planning takes some time, with commissioning the video and remixes, so i imagine that was already in the works for D&D even before erotica single was released, or around that time. I could be wrong though. I think 2 Madonna albums suffered damage control - Erotica and American Life
  22. Yes well, with the tour it's a private show that you had to pay to get into, so understandably there would be no censoring there. Majority of people who paid to see the show already bought the album. What the label tried to control were things that people were exposed to such as songs on the radio and videos on TV which are supposed to get you to buy the record. As for the order of the singles and videos, the planning takes some time, so i guess she was still fighting strong in late '92, the first 2 singles were still top 10 hits, but as soon as Bad Girl flopped even with a blockbuster video they were like- step aside, we're in charge now.
  23. We all know the brilliant Erotica album got a bit of damage control treatment by Warner Bros, who desperately tried to get it back on track commercially, and make some cash once the public turned against Madonna with the release of the lead single & video, Sex book and Body of Evidence movie. What do you think the singles and videos would have been, had it all gone according to the original plan? Here are my thoughts: 1. Erotica single and video (released as planned) >>> September '92 2. Deeper and Deeper single and video (released as planned BUT earlier I think. they tried to make the people forget all about Erotica single as soon as possible- I think the originally planned date was about a month later) >>> December '92 3. Bad Girl / Fever (remixes) single (released as planned, together with Fever remixes) BUT the video was supposed to be directed by Mark Romanek- as confirmed, who, the previous year directed K.D. Lang's Constant Craving, which Madonna loved, and was supposed to look similar to that one, kind of like the Secret video- b/w, smokey club performance. Instead, Warner opted for Michael Jackson-esque blockbuster video in style of "Who is it", also directed by Fincher who took over. All in effort to boost the MTV plays which declined with the previous 2 videos. Fever was supposed to remain only a club song >>> March '93 4. Waiting (feat. Everlast of House of Pain) / Bye Bye Baby (remixes) This is where it gets interesting because this track was released as a b-side to Rain. House of Pain was the hottest band in the country at the time with "Jump Around" and Everlast was obviously recruited for a main single release (no way anybody would agree to a feature for a b-side). But Warner couldn't deal with another adult-themed song and lyrics (especially in Everlast's bit), so they pushed this one out. Instead, they got Daniel Abraham to remix 2 songs in more of a commercial pop style- "Fever" for video play (which was also not planned originally, and to try to capitalize from Fever remixes already being in stores and boost her MTV presence) and "Rain", for subsequent radio play and single release #4. Madonna obviously hated this decision because all this was in contrast to the image she was building for Erotica era, and she has largely ignored this song throughout her career, including this year when the single was released digitally and received ZERO mention on her IG, unlike all other digital releases >>> June '93 Bye Bye Baby remixes were obviously finished earlier and ready to be released, but I'm not sure if they were supposed to be the B-side of Waiting, or a separate 5th release to coincide with the tour. They were obviously cancelled in the US for not being commercial enough, because at that point Warner was trying to save a sinking ship and Madonna was no longer in control. So to summarize, in my opinion, the Erotica damage control consisted of: Bad Girl -Fincher video, Fever video, Rain single and video. I could obviously be wrong, but this makes sense to me. Any thoughts?
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