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7 hours ago, MisterMistere said:
I see you guys postilng about TELL ME, but to me a Madonna solo version does not exist. It's not a Madonna composition like Each Time, it's not from a Madonna record project. It's not from the True Blue era (they recorded the vocals for its release in 1988) ad it's not from the Like A Prayer sessions. She only courtesy did the background vocals for Nick (to double the success of Each Time): it's a "Scheherazade-ish" thing. I'd love to hear "Work Your Fingers To The Bone" from that era (Bray - Jellybean final version).
100% I remember reading Madonna came to visit Nick and Pat Leonard, who was the producer of "Tell Me". Pat played Madonna a couple of tracks and she did background vocals on "Tell Me" because she liked the song and that's it. Donna DeLory and Gardner Cole (co-writer of Open Your Heart) also sing backup on Nick's album US.
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If Hard Candy was released in 1999 - 2002 would've been a massive hit....because that's when that sound/producers were hot. Most of Pharrell's songs were demos by other artist (Heartbeat, Spanish Lesson), Tim/Justin songs were just songs that sound like off his albums (Most of his first album were rejected by MJ). I think Miles Away is only personal song on the album , I think if she worked with Pat or didn't have the mindset to make a dance album we would've gotten a deeper meaning album. She's Not Me, the demo of the Beat Goes On ("Always the bridesmaid never the bride"), Voices and Miles Away deal with relationship issues.
The whole Pharrell made M cry in the studio to me just shows how fragile/stressed state of mind she was in making this album. Her marriage was ending, she was turning 50 (which almost every interview focus on), questions about Lady Gaga....I feel she just wanted to put out something light and fun, or rather sticky and sweet during this time and we got "Hard Candy" -
Rosenblatt thought Madonna was the next Olivia Newton-John (Madonna's behind the music). Madonna also played Rosenblatt her demo of Lucky Star and asked him what he thought. He was a great A&R person for her.
Freddy is the one who went toe to toe with Madonna from yelling at her that her career was over after MTV awards to the disagreements we saw in Truth or Dare. He listen to his artist but at the same time he didn't take shit like Caresse , Angela, or Guy has.
Let's not forget that Prince reached out to Madonna during his issue with Warner and she stayed silent, wasn't her battle but odd for someone who is so vocal to have no comment. To me that shows where she was head-wise at that time.
Stephen Bray has also said that the only person Madonna is loyal to is Madonna. Even when she got signed to Sire he had no clue about it until Sire asked how the music programming used on the demos that got her signed. Only at that time did Madonna let him know about the deal.
I think with Liz also leaving/retiring had a lot to do with Madonna leaving as well. What I do find funny is that her LN deal had her albums released under Interscope, who also had Lady Gaga signed to their label. -
I've heard everyone say it's about aliens, it was inspired after watching the movie Madonna's Secret (1946), to dealing with a lover that is everything you want but has a drug problem.
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On 7/2/2021 at 6:17 PM, ShantiAshtangi said:
But Orbit and Leonard have not worked on the songs at the same time. Madonna used Leonard as a producer first and then quickly changed her mind and chose Orbit as the producer. Orbit kept some of Leonard‘s production on some songs and these are the ones where he gets a credit as a co-producer. There is a certain sound in Frozen for example that is well audible at the very end of the album version that is already present in Leonard‘s demo. The string arrangement, however, is not yet present on the demos that have leaked some time ago. And nothing from the demo of TPOGB had been kept for the final version. So whatever Leonard has done to that song was done before Orbit was hired so there needs to be a version that is closer to the final album version than the demo we know.
So obviously there have to be versions of songs produced by Leonard after the demos we know and before Orbit took over.Leonard demos:
BC: After all the '80s pop, the rock of Like a Prayer, the '30s ditties — how at ease were you with Ray of Light, another right turn for Madonna on which you worked?
PL: We went to Florida to write those songs. She and I were in touch, and we hadn’t been in touch for a long time. I recently found the letters that went between us before we started work, where we decided to do this again. These letters say a lot about the decision process. It’s, “Oh, yeah, we wrote some really good songs together, let’s do it again.” [Laughs]
She did give me some direction early on. For “Frozen,” she said, “I would like something that’s The English Patient meets Nine Inch Nails.” We’d done the demos in Florida, which were quite different than what the record ended up because of William Orbit — who did genius work — but it was exotic, maybe not electronic necessarily, but maybe more exotic ... we had chant samples and were really planning on going for it in some crazy way, and then William came along and she wrote me and then we spoke and she was very generous about saying, “Is it okay if I do this, because I think he’s brilliant and I think it’s a good idea.” In the way these things go, all I could do was be supportive and as it turns out, I’m very glad I was.
But the demos for that record are fun, like for “Skin” and “Sky Fits Heaven” — they’re so bizarre! And I’ve never even heard of anyone having them.
I had a terrifying experience. When we were leaving Miami, having written them, I had a cassette that just said “M” on it and I had a rental car and when I returned the car, I left the tape in it. When I got on the plane, I thought, “Oh, my God ... I just left seven new Madonna songs on a cassette in a rental car ...” but they never turned up. So someone took that cassette outta there and they threw it away. [Laughs]
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Ummm in 1992 on Erotica there is a song called "In This Life" which was also performed on her Girlie Show tour, which was about friends of hers who died of AIDS. Let's not forget Warhol stating that Madonna shared a cupcake with one of her friends who was dying of AIDS long before they knew how AIDS was shared. Let's also not forget the fact that Christopher Anderson wrote that shitty book that stated Madonna had HIV from someone she had sex with back in the day and was suppose to tell everyone at American Foundation For AIDS Research With Luke Perry in 1991. Janet NEVER, Madonna's been there from the start.
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10 hours ago, TonyMontana said:
21 years she's in the game. If she couldn't sing we would have figured it out by now, a fraud never last very long (see Milli Vanilli). She's an actress, a singer, has tons of hits, an amazing performer and dancer, looks phenomenal at 50 yo (her body is beyond amazing). J-Lo is a strong woman in the show business. People always bring Beyonce as the exemple of a strong performer with lasting talent (and she is too no question about it) but J-Lo also has a strong career, as a singer but also as an actrees, which is quite rare. She also has a double language career, english worldwide and she also has a solid career as a spanish singer in latin coutries, Respect. In 21 years, just as Madonna or Beyonce, you never saw her totally wastzd or drunked, looking like a fool on stage or losing control of herself. She is a strong woman too.
My post wasn't about JLO but to show how that is common place in the music industry, from Myah Marie ghosting Britney Spears' Britney Jean album, Debra Killings is the unofficial member of TLC to even Paula Abdul being accused of having ghost vocals for her first two albums. Milil Vanilli only got caught because the tape skipped live on MTV, much like Ashlee Simpson, who career after that is the same as Milli. JLO isn't a great singer nor a smart business woman (Jersey Girl, Jack, Gigli, Como Ama Una Mujer and A.K.A.) She has a great manager who launched her career and she stayed faithful to him (Benny also managed Will Smith and Mariah Carey as well). Her albums are always tie-ins to her upcoming movies. She's an actress who sings. Beyoncé and Madonna are multitalented artist who can go by first name alone, when they sing in the chorus, you hear them, when comes to making an album they bring the material they've written and producers have gushed over their talent....No one has done that with JLO other then other singers saying yes they kept my backing vocals on the track, where you don't hear JLO anywhere in that mix. Play is Christina singing the hook, I'm Real (Remix), Ain't It Funny (Remix) is Ashanti singing the hook, Jenny From The Block is Natasha to Megan Trainer on I Ain't Your Mama.... it should be verse done by JLO
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Well Tony put her in piano class as a kid and Dan Gilroy stated she used to play the organ, I think either Pat or Steve has said she played around with keyboard during the LAP album.
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I think it's a bad idea, esp since the movie has the year 1984, which will have the haters saying the last time Madonna was relevant and jumping on the back of someone younger to make herself relevant again....bad bad bad idea
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Bruce Baron was able to hear it via the library of congress. Opening intro as "I see danger up ahead", "Warning (echo), Warning (echo)". Chorus is "Warning I see danger up ahead. I can see it in your eyes, and it's really no surprise. Because, I can see your warning signs".
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The girl has broad shoulders or is hunchback...Madonna was "chubby" or zaftik but that's not her. Plus only fake pearls and white lace glove...look at all the jewelry she wore at the time, cut outs, bra showing and that's what she wore lol. This is just like that picture of Elvis that claims to have Madonna in the background for autograph....it's not her!
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I thought that HBO/Hamish shot an earlier DWT show as well, I think it was one of the London shows as try out so to speak.
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I wonder if these are some of the songs Pat left behind in his rent-a-car. I love the demos and I think it's amazing inside look before William joined the party. The babyface songs have the late 90's sound. My only problem is a few of the tracks sound like her vocals are pitched higher than normal. I don't know if that's on purpose or not, esp. Nothing Really Matters
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On 11/30/2018 at 8:00 AM, NowRadiate said:
Looks like Bern Stern and Marilyn Monroe 1962.
1956 - Milton H. Green a.k.a. "The Black Sitting"
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I think if Erika Bell, Chris Ciccone, Maripol, Stephen, Gilroy Brothers, Jellybean, Debi Mazar, ect where behind the telling of the Madonna movie then I'd be all game for it. Madonna likes to twist/turn certain events in her history and I want the real real not what she is worried about being seen in a certain way. Her antics when she first started out is legendary, from Michael Musto claiming she stole another bands jacket, walking around music business parties in pajamas asking people if they knew who she was because she's going to be huge star, and local radio DJ here said that he went backstage to meet her for the Virgin tour and she was screaming about a missing hairbrush and wouldn't go on until it was found. That's what I want to see, the real human Madonna, who looked at the cute Puerto Rican guy across the street and wrote Into The Groove or sitting first class on an airplane and writes Vogue. Show me that not some Kabbalah lovefest movie
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I think that Guy O has been pushy with her since the Live Nation deal to crack albums out. Confession was great Madonna written album, MDNA & Rebel Heart to me seem like rush jobs. There was glimmers of Madonna's writing but no full blown Madonna moments.
I'm not by any terms knocking Madonna's talents, you don't stay famous this long without talent. Beyonce to me is overhyped, writes with numerous individuals, i want a solo written Beyonce album. Cutting credit goes back to Elvis days, that Elvis wouldn't cover a song unless he got rights to writing. Which is why Dolly Parton turned down him covering "I Will Always Love You", she refused Colonel Tom Parker half the publishing rights deal.
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Justify My Love was originally written and recorded by Ingrid Chavez and Lenny Kravitz: he and producer André Betts composed the music while Chavez penned the lyrics based on a poem she had written for Kravitz, and read them aloud. Kravitz added the title hook and chorus to the demo while Madonna corrected one line. Chavez was not credited for the song and later sued Kravitz in 1992: she received an out-of-court settlement, and gained a co-writing credit for her work.
P.S. it's already been made known the version on youtube is not the demo...see page 1 of this thread
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9 hours ago, Candy Perfume Boy said:
Just because we have session singers singing alternate versions doesn’t mean m didn’t contribute to writing the song. William Orbit discussed this when mDNA was recorded, because M had limited studio time she would write and session singers did demo vocals, also in terms Of Falling Free the other writer was clear that Madonna co-wrote.
how do we know that this method of working hasn’t been used on other demos??
i don’t doubt that for some songs she perhaps doesn’t add a lit, but melodies etc can earn credit
If you change a word of a song you should get writing credit. I remember Cher saying she changed a few words on Believe but she is listed nowhere on the credits, it's truly a shame if that's true. I remember a quote from Stephen Bray on Madonna, that she wouldn't sing/record anything unless it had her name on it, he was talking about if that's Madonna singing on Lies In Your Eyes by Level 1 thats been passed around for years as her.
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10 hours ago, Popeline said:
Ingrid chavez demo ha no music and it's a poem. The most famous line from it (at the end of the video) is not in the original "demo".
Yeah it was Lenny who added the music and turned the poem into the song which he then presented to Madonna, she had no idea about Ingrid until she was sued.
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10 hours ago, poserdemadonna said:
Everybody and Lucky Star are also 100% Madonna
Everybody is half Stephen Bray half Madonna. They worked out a deal in which, M was given solo writing credit for Everybody & Stephen was given solo writing credit for Ain't No Big Deal. Madonna's name alone appears on the credits for Physical Attraction when first filed in 1982 but when re-filed Reggie Lucas was the only name that appeared.
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Because from the start she was consider a flash in the pan, an act that wasn't going anywhere. Cyndi Lauper was consider the better of the two by critics and people in the industry as well, to the point of why Cyndi was asked to be in "We Are The World" and not Madonna. Madonna was made out to be talentless & just a great marketing of selling sex to stay popular especially after the PMRC made there list filthy fifteen. Even Madonna's breakout movie role in "Desperately Seeking Susan" was just Madonna playing Madonna and how her trailer was rocking (having sex) in between takes of the movie and how the cast & crew thought it was so funny since "Like A Virgin" was out at the time.
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