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I just realized something important... Madonna's Navamsa chart that started to be strong and valid around her 37th, 38th year of life has her rising ascendant Punarvasu...in Vedic astrology, a rising ascendant describes who you become as a person, and Punarvasu simbol is 'a ray of light'...so Madonna was well aware of this change and her Navamsa, because she named her album after her Navamsa nakshatra!!! ?

The change was somewhere after Bedtime Stories and before Ray of Light...1996, 1997...

Its simple, just look at Madonna in 'Truth or Dare' and lets say 'I'm Going to Tell You a Secret'...in the first one she doesnt care, sits in a bathing cap talking to her dad on the phone, or doesnt care if shes gonna be arrested for masturbation simulation... In IGTTYS shes asking her then husband if she looks ok? Do I look like a bad mix of Bo Peep and Shirley Temple? The first Madonna wouldnt care how she looks to someone, the second is not so sure anymore.

Ive just posted a topic about her vedic charts, so have a look

So gather around as were about to embark upon a gloomy tale of omens, dark and light that is cast upon us the moment we take our first breath. It is not up for discussion whether one believes it or not, as it is irrelevant whether one believes in the air they breathe - this all exists. And not everyone can recognize signs laid out on our road. We all live lives that are laid out in reincarnation chain, its like school. 1st grade, 2nd grade...someone just graduated, someone is just about to learn to write. Madonna is higher up in this reincarnation chain. The signs are obvious - the person starts to believe there is much more than meets the eye. The person starts to listen, question, the person starts to destroy religious forms as they realize that the vastness of God/Energy/Source could not and must not be confined to only a few of religious books and religious practices. They see the whole world as one. The person starts to explore and often they delve deeper into occultism. Occultism is nothing more than learning to live in tune with the natural. There is no Devil. There is no Angel. There is no right or wrong. There is only one Energy and it is upon our will solely what we do with it. So to look upon Madonnas incantation rituals or to observe her as a demon or devil worshiper would be wrong - she is just someone who knows there is much more out there. And she is trying to find and learn about it. Vedic astrology is an ancient practice that deals with the true essence of us - with regards to our karmic cycle, or as I put it before, the 'grade' in life's school we are attending. Through vedic astrology one can clearly see how spiritually evolved a person is. What still a person needs to solve and learn so they can progress further. As someone who's soul is very ancient myself, I knew right away that Madonna is 'on the path'. I recognized in her lyrics, her music the aspects of a 'knower'. However, she has still yet a lot to learn and she has still a lot of problems to solve in her future lives. Vedic astrology gives us two basic and most important charts. Our birth chart and the Navamsa chart. Our birth chart is our main chart, but Navamsa chart is the chart that 'takes over' after our 37th, 38th year. These two charts are not necessarily the same. If you look at some people, you can clearly see the change in their appearance, behavior, around this age. Mind you, this is not waking up one day after 37th birthday and becoming a different person. The change might take up to 2 years to realize fully, but it starts around these years. Madonna, in her first chart (the one that is 'valid' up until her 37th, 38th year) has Sun, Moon and Mercury in Leo IN the 8th house. The 8th house is the house of beginnings, endings, death, rebirth, change, but it is also the house of the occult. Her many transformations and proneness to change stem from this position. The 8th and 12th house is the house that connects us to the spiritual - Mercury is the messenger planet, this all means that she connects to the unknown instinctively and 'gets' inspiration from that vast void of accumulated energy...Its like those stories of scientists that couldn't solve a problem and then they fell asleep or meditated and suddenly they got the solution to their problems - that's what is familiar to her as well. Lyrics, ideas, concepts...all of this she gets this same way. Her Sun and her Moon are in Leo. The Sun is strongest when it is in Leo. Leo Sun doesn't care about what people think - it shines, it is bold, it is brave, it goes to places other don't dare...imagine the brightest Sun at noon - that is what Madonna was up until 37th, 38th year of her life. She was the Louis XIV, The Sun Queen in her Versailles. And then, her Navamsa started to become more valid, as she matured into 37th and 38th year of her life. In this second Navamsa chart, her Sun is exalted, in Aries. So it is still strong. The Sun is strongest in Leo AND Aries, BUT with one major difference. The Sun in Leo is strongest as it is its natural place or rule, but in Aries it is EXALTED. Imagine the Queen of England coming to your home. You would clean the place, paint the walls, order new china, cutlery...when she comes everything would be prepared perfect for the Queen, as she would be EXALTED in your home - BUT she would not feel at home in your home, even though she is exalted there. She would not go to the bathroom without question, open fridge without asking, etc... So that is the main difference in Madonna after 37-38...Before that age, her Sun was in Leo, and she oozed confidence, boldness, bluntness, sex-appeal was just coming out of her...after that, she faded...The Moon that represents her emotions (and everyones emotions) went from being in Leo (proud, bold, certain, upholding her Sun), to scorpio - and scorpio moon is unbalanced...it is occult and mystic, and carries vastness of unbalanced energy...people with scorpio moon most often don't know how to handle it, one day they feel a certain way, the other day they wake up a totally different person. Its just too much of everything. So the change must have been a true blow for her. You go from a person with the Sun that shines upon the whole planet, not asking for any permission - to someone who questions everything, most painfully, who questions themselves. 'I don't know who I am anymore' must have been something on her mind most often. I often look at her Blond ambition tour, and try to compare that Madonna to any of 2000's Madonnas and try to understand where that force went, what and why she's missing so much...only after reading her charts, I understood it all. I know she's a modern witch, an occultist...I have seen it way too many times and know the signs. But she is making a lot of beginners mistakes - the one most blunt was the last post. The strongest witches and occultists never talk about their craft in public, nor they ever show the signs that publicly. The showing is just a product of ego, as they want to project an image of someone who has a certain mystic power...That's just silly. I work with magic, nature, occult signs, tarot, but you could never tell in person. And yes, the true and honest souls would never use these things to hurt others - otherwise the spells would backfire on them. The Nature loves all creatures the same, and shields innocent souls against any wrong doings...:) So let that be it...:)

Hahahahah, yep, while I was writing all of this I remembered who perfect her 4 rooms role was for her ?

Each photo is for the line of the incantation spell... Call your Angels (photo of the table with things you use during the ritual - it is circled with rose pettals, something you would call a 'circle of protection' to which you invite angels, demons, souls of ancestors, energies, spirits...there are lots of minerals and christals what often serve as energy enhancers...feathers, and I can see they burned stuff too - sometimes its the names of people you want to release from life, or habits, or anything that is bothering you... Invite your eternal muse (photo of Frida Kahlo...as I said before, our main Angel, our Muse, our Guide, someone who is there for us, takes care of us...it is often helpful and advisible to give your Angel a name, or a face, to establish a closer connection...she did it with Frida...) Let go of what you dont need (obviously shes had a hip replacement surgery, I believe this is a femoral head...thus she no longer needs it) And Have Certainty that you are already perfect (Her...when casting a spell, it is always advised to state the intention and purpose of the spell in the present tense - If you cast a spell to be more brave, you wouldnt say 'I want to be more brave', you would say 'I acknowledge, or I am certain, that I AM brave'. So she wants to be perfect, whole...the feather of that kind on the left often represents happyness or hope. She has often posted and mentioned moon phases, modern witches and occultists live in tune with the moon phases - what sign the moon is in etc...I always found it curious she followed it closely. ALSO she used to state clearly what her rising sign is but lately she said she doesnt know, and that noone remembers when she was born - thats clearly because she learned that once you know somebodys birth chart, you can pry into their soul, karma, etc, nothing can be hidden anymore...no lie, no shield, nothing...ao she got wiser. Most of the famous asteologers also hide their birth details. I am typing from my mobile phone, but once I am at the desktop computer, Ill write more on her vedic charts.

Thoughts on the last photo of the Magick ritual she performed? With that hip socket ball thing on the third photo? Since occultism is often the subject of my studies and I practice it myself, Ive long thought Madonna was a priestess...many hints point towards it and the last instagram photos confirm it. Frida Kahlo is the her Angel, one she invokes often and has put as her guide. It is usual in the occult world to establish close connections with your guides. Also I have studied her vedic charts and have learned a lot about her, her karma and her behaviour why she does what she does...if you are interested I can share my findings?

Her voice is magic. I was so surprised to hear Vogue raw vocals, she sounded amazing, so much power and gut... Also, on Deepak Chopras Rumi Poems album, Madonna's Bittersweet is really by far the best reading of all the bunch...it gives me goosebumps each time. I think that the reason for all of this is that she never got to be a 'singer' in its true sense...I see her as a modern kind of a philosopher/artist/healer/guru who uses music and her voice as tools to explore all aspects of existance...its like...she writes about sex, or love, or pain, or fun...and then uses her voice to paint the full picture, which is a much deeper process than just a singer singing a song...

DAMN, THANK YOU, to all your responses...and the honesty. That's it, I think Madonnas music has always been honest...whether you are down, or up, broken, healed, sexy, feisty...all of her music is sincere in all these sentiments. Reading your replies, I saw myself in many of your answers and song choices, remembering reacting almost the same to some of them... I grew up with her music, and then I had a falling out for a few years, was even angry at her and her choices, being desperate to stay relevant while being a practical genius...recently I came back to that feeling of loving her, what she meant to me...thats why I even joined this forum... Again, thanks for all the responses...❤

Hi there...I am originally from the Balkans, our local music has different vibe, most of the songs are really sad and its quite normal you cry to sad songs...the more you make people cry, the more succsesful you are. Madonna is the only foreign speaking singer/musician I could ever cry to, the onlyone who ever moved me to actual tears. For me 'Live to tell', 'Ill remember', and 'Wash all over me'... Especially 'Wash all over me'...I feel as though she wrote that one having the coming end of her career and eventually life in mind. The feeling of just letting go and finding power in powerlesness...Don't know. But honestly I had cramps in my stomach from crying hours listening to that song. What are your moments if you care to share?

I cant stop singing 'Am I just dreaming?'...? The way she moves, shes perfection...and she looks so cool and laid back here...but when she releases music lately its always as though she tries too hard, and non of that cool, laid back vibe she so spontaniously displays here... I work as a music producer and I never got to understand the magic in her voice...like, its so not perfect, but its so good...but if you ask me 'whats good about it?', Im loss for words, I just don't know...even on this demo it sounds great.

The first time I saw her live, she reminded me of a child that just loooooveees to play, there was like a childlike joy on her face while she was dancing...:) And you know, I just love when she says something witty now on her instagram with Diablo, and then lookes over her glasses at the camera for a second or two...that cracks me up every time

Fuck, seeing Anne Winters looking so like Madonna made me cry a little bit...???? So incredible, noone ever looked like her this much...???

Its funny how tastes vary...to me, her walking down the Harlem street, looking like that...just being sexy, not paying homage to anyone - relaxed, with that occasional glance 'under her eyebrows'...is the look I loved the most. And the whole Bedtime Stories era...platinum blonde, uber sexy...I had a poster from Bedtime Stories era in front of my desk - and just that poster and that image got me through some really tough times in school. I was a refugee back than, without a father who was stuck someone at the war front lines...and I had her and that poster..I dreamed of seeing her live some day. And later on in life I did, twice...I even managed to get into a rehearsal, and stood 2 meters in front of her playing guitar, drinking water and occasionally chating with the band and the dancers...but Ill never forget that poster and that platinum blonde look.