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Go join activism forum or a start a thread yourself on this site if you feel so strongly about the issue. I like Madonna 's music, I would prefer if we stopped bringing so much negativity into this place, people get enough of that on social media. My comment about pseudo intellectuals was not aimed specifically at you. Parroting the media and politicians means a slew of word salad that changes nothing. I have been a fan since the start of her career, I have heard all of it and more, its just noise at this point. Me not wanting to talk about the same topic over and over again does mean I would not love to see positive change. Not all of us are out on political crusades, some of us just like Madonna and her music believe it or not.

If real change occurs in the world regarding racism, homophobia, sexism or ageism, it wont be because I choose to dismiss or listen to a random post on a site dedicated to a musical artist. In regards to your words on screaming opinions on social media, you are not telling me anything I have not known forever, there is a reason I don't use the cancerous stuff anymore. If I wanted to have a meaningful discussion about these topics, this is the last place I would choose. Forums are full of pretentious, pseudo intellectuals masking themselves as experts on issues like racism, ageism and homophobia when in reality they are simply coughing up the same dumb talking points as mainstream politicians and media.

Seriously get off social media for your own sanity and well being, I had to make that life change myself. Social media is pure poison that eats away at happiness and gives us a false reality, its all an illusion. No matter how many trolls you argue with and get to delete their posts, therenwill always be thousands more, arguing about Madonna on social media is a complete waste of time.

I see what you are saying but the jokes that sound ageist on places like Twitter or Facebook are mostly just people being toxic trolls, social media does not really reflect why the wider public seems to despise Madonna so much. One of the worst aspects of all is that Madonna has always been an advocate for women's rights and some of the most offensive and vicious comments she receives on her social media are from women.

I think that trying to explain away all the criticism Madonna receives by claiming its just sexism and ageism is extremely lazy, sure those things exist in the world but they don't play as big of a factor as people seem to think in this situation. Like @Blue Jeansaid, Michael Jackson was ruthlessly mocked for his appearance, same thing with Simon Cowell who honestly looked like he was a melting wax figure at one point. I understand that womens appearance tends to be scrutinized more then men in general but that does not mean its exclusively an issue women face, nor can I honestly think of another woman who gets so much hate and backlash for her appearance, its more that people have a massive issue with Madonna herself than some instinct to criticize any woman who had had work done or is getting older. The real reason she is facing such widespread attention for this is because whatever she had done to her face looks pretty awful and since she is Madonna, its bound to make headlines.

Mods remove this thread please.

I actually agree with some of the things you say but stop acting like you are a teacher educating the rest of use with your longwinded posts, your opinion is just an opinion like everyone else has an opinion. Just because you live in France and got educated by a feminist does not make you special.

Madonna has always had naturally gorgeous facial bone structure, her face looks so strange to people these days because it sometimes looks bloated even though the media does deliberately find the worst photos to spin a narrative it looks worse than it actually does. Part of the issue is the truly awful styling as well, we have seen that she can still look very good when she wants to such as the most recent pride appearance. The structure of her face is not all that different now than it ever was, if she started doing better styling, reduced the bloated look and ditched the grills she would hear less complaints from the public about her appearance. On a positive note, she looked like she was physically fit and had slimmed down at this grammy appearance, she has been working out for her tour I assume.

I never said that women do not face more scrutiny over their bodies, nor do I deny the existence of a patriarchy, I 100% agree with you about those things. I was simply correcting your claim that its not acceptable to criticize a mans body which is utter hogwash, you never framed your argument as women receiving more backlash, you made it sound like mens bodies are never scrutinized in the public eye which is false as I pointed out by highlighting Simon Cowell.

You are right, we all know its not possible to tell that a persons posts are photoshopped unless we know them personally and examine them with a magnifying glass in careful detail. I submit to the brilliance of your logic, look out everyone, I think we have the next Einstein among us in this forum. Thank you for blessing me with your overflowing fountain of knowledge.

If she wanted to fight a battle about the phobia concerning plastic surgery deforming your own face is not exactly a brilliant battle plan to remove the stigma. I try not to comment about this stuff usually because I don't like the criticism she receives but its the sad truth, I just wish people would move on and stop talking about it.

Ummm what is your point exactly?

With all due respect, this part of your post reeks of blissful ignorance. Simon Cowell went crazy on botox and remember how much attention and hate he got for it, guess what! HE WAS A WHITE MALE! Even more laughable that you claim its not acceptable to discuss the size of a penis, seriously what universe do you live in? its sexualized and discussed with a frequency that makes me want to throw up. You don't need to lie and make yourself blind to facts in order to make a point. Ughhh my head hurts sometimes after scrolling through these threads.

You do realize those pictures on her social media are photoshopped and edited to hell and back right? I agree that the constant stream of hatred over the way she looks now is cruel and the media exploits this but please don't take any of us for fools and try to say that Madonna's Instagram is how she looks in person.

Shhhhhh you cannot express that opinion because according to our benevolent and all knowing dictator @Roland Barthesthat is being dramatic and reeks of Trump like rhetoric. @Roland Bartheswould do well to keep in mind that not all of us are cursed with having Donald Trump live inside our heads rent free twenty four seven.