mattchewd 76 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 1 hour ago, yeezuslovesmypussybest said: This argument is so tiring. Madonna creating art that focuses on sex ≠ 'peddling' sex. Looking sexy and glamorous and being flirty ≠ 'peddling' sex. A visible nipple in a Ray of Light era photoshoot ≠ 'peddling' sex. Every era that included overtly sexual themes (Like a Virgin, Justify My Love, Erotica, Hard Candy, MDNA, Rebel Heart) either underperformed significantly and/or damaged her reputation beyond repair. She gets slut-shamed and ridiculed every time. People diminish her artistry and intellect further every time. She has never benefited from her sexual art. The narrative that she has used sex for her entire career is only believed/spread by deeply deluded fake fans (see InsideTheGroove). To be a fan is to know that this narrative is nothing more than a misogynstic conspiracy theory with no hard evidence. Her debut, True Blue, Like a Prayer, Bedtime Stories, Something to Remember, Evita, Ray of Light, Music, American Life, Confessions, Celebration are more or less completely void of overtly sexual themes. Even Madame X actually. The irony of so many misogynists, slut shamers and non-intellectuals being Madonna fans. Maybe she isn't for you? For goodness sake, please let it go with the "deluded fake fans" narrative around Inside the Groove, its insulting and silly. And a viewpoint of Like a Virgin underperforming is simply not the case ... which anyone who lived through the era as it unfolded could tell you. It basically brought her name to the masses! I don't normally respond to posts in this way, but seeing sh*t constantly flung at someone who is doing such an honest and respectful podcast (rather than just saying you dont like it, which is fine) is beyond tiresome and feels like a personal vendetta against the guy. Please. Let it go. xrayeyes, Celebration, androiduser and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrayeyes 425 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 hours ago, yeezuslovesmypussybest said: This argument is so tiring. Madonna creating art that focuses on sex ≠ 'peddling' sex. Looking sexy and glamorous and being flirty ≠ 'peddling' sex. A visible nipple in a Ray of Light era photoshoot ≠ 'peddling' sex. Every era that included overtly sexual themes (Like a Virgin, Justify My Love, Erotica, Hard Candy, MDNA, Rebel Heart) either underperformed significantly and/or damaged her reputation beyond repair. She gets slut-shamed and ridiculed every time. People diminish her artistry and intellect further every time. She has never benefited from her sexual art. The narrative that she has used sex for her entire career is only believed/spread by deeply deluded fake fans (see InsideTheGroove). To be a fan is to know that this narrative is nothing more than a misogynstic conspiracy theory with no hard evidence. Her debut, True Blue, Like a Prayer, Bedtime Stories, Something to Remember, Evita, Ray of Light, Music, American Life, Confessions, Celebration are more or less completely void of overtly sexual themes. Even Madame X actually. The irony of so many misogynists, slut shamers and non-intellectuals being Madonna fans. Maybe she isn't for you? You are officially the craziest, if not stupidest person I have ever seen in this place. And that’s saying something, this place is full of idiots… she never benefitted from sex in her work????? Are you high or just an expert troll? your username alone says it all… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes 5,820 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, mattchewd said: For goodness sake, please let it go with the "deluded fake fans" narrative around Inside the Groove, its insulting and silly. And a viewpoint of Like a Virgin underperforming is simply not the case ... which anyone who lived through the era as it unfolded could tell you. It basically brought her name to the masses! I don't normally respond to posts in this way, but seeing sh*t constantly flung at someone who is doing such an honest and respectful podcast (rather than just saying you dont like it, which is fine) is beyond tiresome and feels like a personal vendetta against the guy. Please. Let it go. Nope.Don't like him and his podcast ( podcasts LOL) is a pile of shit and i will keep saying it. If it bothers you, hit the ignore option. 2 hours ago, deathproof said: This new narrative of Madonna being a VICTIM painted by her so called "fans" is strange and kinda upsetting. It's funny how M fans dragged and criticized what Gaga and fans did, are now doing the same exact thing. Like what ? Making a fake account on a/this forum because one is bored out of his mind to stir shit up and act like a paragon of virtue afterward because this person does not have the guts to use his real account to do that ? heikeeduardo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrayeyes 425 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 hours ago, deathproof said: This new narrative of Madonna being a VICTIM painted by her so called "fans" is strange and kinda upsetting. It's funny how M fans dragged and criticized what Gaga and fans did, are now doing the same exact thing. The virus of “woke” has infected many fans. Their religion states they need perpetual victims to pontificate a sense of holier-than-thou righteous attitude. It’s so boring and kinda sad. woke is a corrosive poison that destroys everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrayeyes 425 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Roland Barthes said: Like what ? Making a fake account on a/this forum because one is bored out of his mind to stir shit up and act like a paragon of virtue afterward because this person does not have the guts to use his real account to do that ? Oh, is that what you do? makes sense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreo 5,305 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Cackling at how fans who always share negative thoughts and bitch around always think they're smarter and wiser than those who don't, gotta love them though heikeeduardo and Roland Barthes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes 5,820 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Andreo said: Cackling at how fans who always share negative thoughts and bitch around always think they're smarter and wiser than those who don't, gotta love them though Especially the ones making fake accounts here because they dare not say these things under their real nickname. If they don't value their own opinions then why should we ? heikeeduardo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathproof 10,555 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, Roland Barthes said: Like what ? Making a fake account on a/this forum because one is bored out of his mind to stir shit up and act like a paragon of virtue afterward because this person does not have the guts to use his real account to do that ? Huh? Can we get a “Make Sense” button cause I have no idea what you are trying to say kesiak and xrayeyes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattchewd 76 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Roland Barthes said: Nope.Don't like him and his podcast ( podcasts LOL) is a pile of shit and i will keep saying it. If it bothers you, hit the ignore option. Like what ? Making a fake account on a/this forum because one is bored out of his mind to stir shit up and act like a paragon of virtue afterward because this person does not have the guts to use his real account to do that ? If his podcasts bother you, try the ignore option zzzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes 5,820 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, mattchewd said: If his podcasts bother you, try the ignore option zzzzzz I did. I still have an opinion on the ones i listened to. It was shit. heikeeduardo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattchewd 76 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Roland Barthes said: I did. I still have an opinion on the ones i listened to. It was shit. Fabulous... good luck finding things "not shit" to focus on. I find it healthier just to move on from things I dont like. But different strokes an' all that... xrayeyes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes 5,820 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 3 hours ago, mattchewd said: Fabulous... good luck finding things "not shit" to focus on. I find it healthier just to move on from things I dont like. But different strokes an' all that... Because it's healthy to create a fake account to troll a forum. When you do that and you're over 25 Y/O it means there's something wrong with you and your life. Focus on that instead of what i do or say. In that regard, yes, we're different folks and thank the goddess for that. heikeeduardo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabiolous 5,488 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 What the fuck is going on here ?? RUADJAI, madaboutM, Alm47 and 6 others 1 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabiolous 5,488 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Madonna has always been sexual. Part of her "mission" to normalise women expressing their sexuality just like men do and reclaiming their bodies as opposed to being objectified by men. It's about empowerment. This is probably her biggest legacy. Madonna doesn't care about her "reputation", because people shaming her for sex is exactly what she wants to fight for. If no one criticised her for it, she would be fighting a pointless fight or preaching to the converted. She WANTS the confrontation. She wants to make people think. Andreo, Leandro Gomes, heikeeduardo and 5 others 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabiolous 5,488 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 hours ago, yeezuslovesmypussybest said: Her debut, True Blue, Like a Prayer, Bedtime Stories, Something to Remember, Evita, Ray of Light, Music, American Life, Confessions, Celebration are more or less completely void of overtly sexual themes. Even Madame X actually. Oh honey... Debut album= Physical attraction (literally a song about a girl wanting to fuck) True Blue: Open your heart (the music video took place in a peep show), Papa don't preach (about pregnancy, sex is implied) Like a prayer: in the LAP music video she shows up to church in a night gown, with her boobs pushed all the way up, and makes out with a Saint (might not sound like much now but it was SCANDALOUS). She's literally naked in Express yourself and she grabs her pussy a lot Bedtime stories: the Human Nature music video featured Madonna as a dominatrix and in Take a bow she basically fucked a TV. Evita: a movie about a strong female character that slept with strangers and fucked her way to the top Ray Of light: this was actually a very sex-free era, but Beautiful stranger on the other hand... Music: the music video literally takes place in a strip club and she moans a lot throughout the song American Life: not a very sexual era again Confessions: she was gorgeous and very sexy in the leotard, also dirty dancing on the boombox Celebration: Revolver is a song about sex Madame X: Bitch I'm loca. Madonna has ALWAYS been sexual or at the very least sexy and provocative valinecode, cyberrage, deathproof and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes 5,820 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Madonna has always been about sex and religion. I'm always baffled by fans being outraged whenever she uses one or the other in her work. And it was never about being sexy but about being sexual because that's what she is. And there's nothing wrong with that. That's why i loved her and Prince in the first place. Somehow not aknowledging this is like reversed slut shaming or something. But i don't think that's what that poster meant in the first place. Twisting other people's words is what trolls do. 50ft Queenie and heikeeduardo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertthenurse 2,894 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Fabiolous said: What the fuck is going on here ?? Died ??? for real tho. Get it together Girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertthenurse 2,894 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Before I take a pic lookin for my phone under the bed too ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50ft Queenie 2,787 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) Jesus Christ! there are some pretty fucking stupid users I encounter on this forum. Who would ever become a Madonna fan if they had a problem with using sex as a means of art? I never did understand why sex was taboo even as a little kid, it is literally a part of nature. No different than eating food because its a need or having to use the shitter. God danmm I feel like I am living in a world of goldfish in this forum. I think there are many trolls amongst us. Edited December 12, 2021 by Blond Ambition (see edit history) Sultrysully, valinecode, Andreo and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendanlovesu1 11,877 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I think some people need to listen to Erotica and touch themselves to release some of the anger they're holding onto mattchewd, xrayeyes, heikeeduardo and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymad 10,319 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I dunno why people are so butt hurt. Her photoshopped face might not be real, but them tiiizzzz, they real. Free the nip. So what who cares. Alm47 and heikeeduardo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrayeyes 425 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Blond Ambition said: Who would ever become a Madonna fan if they had a problem with using sex as a means of art? Justify My Love and Erotica are genius works of art. Photoshop-instagram-whore-Italian-porn-chic is just trashy and pathetic. Know the difference. Mae West/Lola Ferrari/Amanda LePore is not a good look on anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50ft Queenie 2,787 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, xrayeyes said: Justify My Love and Erotica are genius works of art. Photoshop-instagram-whore-Italian-porn-chic is just trashy and pathetic. Know the difference. Mae West/Lola Ferrari/Amanda LePore is not a good look on anyone. Since when did I compare Instagram to her music videos. Clean the rocks out of your head and stop the trolling or you are going to removed from this forum soon. Literally everyone uses photoshop on social media and some of the stuff she posts is meant to get people talking which has been massively successful so far. Madonna uses her social media as a marketing gimmick, nobody is calling it art now are they? GTFO please, you picked the wrong person to respond to, or did you actually realize that you are one of the idiots I was referencing in my previous comment. Edited December 12, 2021 by Blond Ambition (see edit history) Alpha, heikeeduardo and valinecode 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes 5,820 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I'm leaving this pic here. It's making the rounds on social media. Countdown to Madonna sharing it thinking it's real like she did before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redha DBL 7,269 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 hours ago, Roland Barthes said: I'm leaving this pic here. It's making the rounds on social media. Countdown to Madonna sharing it thinking it's real like she did before. Well she met like the whole world and she probably met Freddy and thought someone took a pic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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