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13 minutes ago, Drownedboy said:

I´ve spent much money and time on her

You did not buy her.

You bought records, tour tickets, merchandising. Not her. She owes you shit. You know that ?

You got what you paid for.

I get it you're not satisfied anymore but then,why spoil the fun OVER AND OVER for those who still enjoy her ? As if you want EVERYBODYto share your opinion to make you sure you're right. We all have different points of view and not a single one of us is right. 

Yeah i know "it's a forum, gna gna gna, i say whatever i want" except that you and your poopy party constantly sound like old men complaining about lunch at the retirement home. WE GOT IT, "Everything was better before". I guess the problem is YOU aging into a bitter and annoying prick. If you don't have fun enjoying Madonna anymore find something else. Life's too short.

Madonna is having fun, she's not wasting the time she has left. Maybe you don't agree  (or like) with the way she's having her fun but what you don't seem to get is that she's not telling you to like her butt or her clothes but to find YOUR fun without fearing judgement of others who are wasting the time they have left watching others having fun and criticizing them because that's not what they would do. FIND YOUR FUN and stop spoiling the fun of others, please. 

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20 minutes ago, Roland Barthes said:

The pinacle of the Ritchie years is the ridiculous Vogue US cover, her last. IMO she was done with it after the horse accident. By Confessions, a couple of months later, she was already more the Madonna we knew than the preachy queen of England from the early naughties (even though the music was good).

 

We're entering dangerous and grey rumors zone here but I remember reading that Guy really didn't take care of her or care about her after the accident and during the recovery and that, plus the fact that it was something super serious (literally it could have been fatal), was the final "fuck it, back to me" for her. I don't think it's a coincidence she went from this:

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To this:

madonna-actuando-en-el-escenario-en-koko

After the accident she starting coming back to her old usual sexual self persona - and we all loved it, of course, it was like seeing her LIVING again.

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16 minutes ago, Roland Barthes said:

 

Yeah i know "it's a forum, gna gna gna, i say whatever i want" except that you and your poopy party constantly sound like old men complaining about lunch at the retirement home. WE GOT IT, "Everything was better before". I guess the problem is YOU aging into a bitter and annoying prick. If you don't have fun enjoying Madonna anymore find something else. Life's too short.

Control yourself please, you are losing any credibilty by presenting yourself like that, if you have valid points present them with respect, otherwise, I prefer you don´t speak to me. Respect is the key word. 

 

I did not said I bought Madonna. I have not spoken irrespectuly towards anyone, including you or Madonna. I expect the same, whereas you like my point of view or not. Don´t speak about my life, my age, you don´t know me. Behave yourself please. Let´s discuss Madonna with respect.

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18 minutes ago, Prayer said:

We're entering dangerous and grey rumors zone here but I remember reading that Guy really didn't take care of her or care about her after the accident and during the recovery and that, plus the fact that it was something super serious (literally it could have been fatal), was the final "fuck it, back to me" for her. I don't think it's a coincidence she went from this:

normalized.jpg

To this:

madonna-actuando-en-el-escenario-en-koko

After the accident she starting coming back to her old usual sexual self persona - and we all loved it, of course, it was like seeing her LIVING again.

You know, I see that as part of the actress. At the end she was much better actress than we thought lol

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15 hours ago, Prayer said:

It's funny that you talk about a documentary, "I'm Going To Tell You A Secret", that is painful to watch now but for other reasons: how subjected she was to a shitty husband that didn't seem to care about her, her work or anything that was important to her; how hard she was trying all the time to be the perfect wife, mother, woman, and how disconnected and lonely she seems all the time in it. But hey, it fit the perfect stylish woman we all wanted to see right? Then it's good.

That's just your interpretation. Do you think it'd be easy to be the husband of Madonna, especially if you weren't that famous to begin with? Do you think it would be fun to watch the same show every night? Wasn't Guy's personal identity important too, for him to be able to be the best husband he could be? The world doesn't revolve around her.

 

15 hours ago, Prayer said:

It's funny too that you talk about ROL when it was just another image that developed over time, yes, if you watch the first album interviews recorded in January 1998 the whole "spiritual" narrative wasn't in full mode yet, she was more "normal", funny, sarcastic and even bored sometimes:

They just saw as they went that it was catchy and the "Frozen" video was a hit and she went full Esther mode once the album was out. Not saying that wasn't a part of her, of course it was, she just amplified it cause she saw it was working. She played the game and she played it perfectly.

Firstly, full Esther mode didn't kick in until circa AL, if we're going to be literal about it. Secondly, her strongest and most endearing PR aspects during the ROL promo were her new-found motherhood and a refreshing lightness to her overall energy - not her 'spirituality narrative' alone. She was pretty light on this, imo (it was nothing compared to the AL era, which was pretty fatiguing for the casual fan, I'm sure). Thirdly, she was still playful and even flirty during her Johnny Meets Madonna interview towards the end of the album campaign, so that quashes your theory right there.

 

15 hours ago, Prayer said:

I love ROL Madonna, it's the one that made a true fan, but Madonna Ritchie, all covered from head to toe and making a shadow of herself to fit into her husband idea of the perfect British wife? C'MOOOOON. Was that more real that the Madonna we see now? I don't think so. And I adore the "American Life" era work but also can see how f***d she was in her personal life now in perspective.

She wasn't always covered from head-to-toe during the Ritchie years. That's an exxageration. During Music she was losing her baby weight, so naturally her costumes weren't as revealing as usual. During the DWT she had a sensual, androgynous moment with her all-female dancers, which was classic M. For the AL promo, she wore very little in the Hollywood video, and was still her cheeky self when she kissed Britney and Christina at the VMAs. Yes, she wore some long coats at events on cold London nights, or a subdued, appropriate wardrobe for her childrens books promotion, but she came back wearing figure-hugging leotards, showing ass cheek and throwing her legs over her dancers shoulders during the Hung Up choreo, so please don't fixate on one Vanity Fair cover and the like. And excuse me, if you think her personal life was 'fucked' during AL promo, what does that make it nowadays?

 

15 hours ago, Prayer said:

I get that some of you don't like this, that, whatever she's done to her face, body, etc. lately, but her body is her choice.

Her wardrobe was her choice too, yet you're so ready to judge her personal life on such especially superficial things?

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2 hours ago, Prayer said:

We're entering dangerous and grey rumors zone here but I remember reading that Guy really didn't take care of her or care about her after the accident and during the recovery and that, plus the fact that it was something super serious (literally it could have been fatal), was the final "fuck it, back to me" for her. I don't think it's a coincidence she went from this:

After the accident she starting coming back to her old usual sexual self persona - and we all loved it, of course, it was like seeing her LIVING again.

Excuse me while I roll my eyes at another bogus theory... Yeh, sure, her COAD presentation was based on her retaliation towards Guy for not caring enough for her during her accident the month before, not because the music inspired it.

Did you grow up on a diet of tabloids or something?

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12 minutes ago, Vasili said:

Excuse me while I roll my eyes at another bogus theory... Yeh, sure, her COAD presentation was based on her retaliation towards Guy for not caring enough for her during her accident the month before, not because the music inspired it.

Did you grow up on a diet of tabloids or something?

I was going to reply you point by point but after that last sentence I see it's not worth it. :nope: I haven't gone or make it personal about anyone here and have no intention to, that's where I draw the line for myself.

Cheers!

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4 minutes ago, Vasili said:

It'd be helpful if a member's age was included next to their post, so I knew what life experience gap I was dealing with...

We both know that physical age and emotional intelligence don't go hand in hand. My mom tells me that boys don't grow up, they grow old.

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14 hours ago, Prayer said:

We're entering dangerous and grey rumors zone here but I remember reading that Guy really didn't take care of her or care about her after the accident and during the recovery and that, plus the fact that it was something super serious (literally it could have been fatal)

the price of getting involved with a homophobe... she should have known better. but y'know.... he was a cool director, so, yeah....

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18 hours ago, Prayer said:

First of all, this isn't personal directly to you, just a written general thought! I agree we all love her and want her do well and be happy, that's the more important thing. But here we go.

Recover from what? From aging? From being herself? Making her own choices? Living her own life?

It's funny that you talk about a documentary, "I'm Going To Tell You A Secret", that is painful to watch now but for other reasons: how subjected she was to a shitty husband that didn't seem to care about her, her work or anything that was important to her; how hard she was trying all the time to be the perfect wife, mother, woman, and how disconnected and lonely she seems all the time in it. But hey, it fit the perfect stylish woman we all wanted to see right? Then it's good.

It's funny too that you talk about ROL when it was just another image that developed over time, yes, if you watch the first album interviews recorded in January 1998 the whole "spiritual" narrative wasn't in full mode yet, she was more "normal", funny, sarcastic and even bored sometimes:

They just saw as they went that it was catchy and the "Frozen" video was a hit and she went full Esther mode once the album was out. Not saying that wasn't a part of her, of course it was, she just amplified it cause she saw it was working. She played the game and she played it perfectly.

I love ROL Madonna, it's the one that made a true fan, but Madonna Ritchie, all covered from head to toe and making a shadow of herself to fit into her husband idea of the perfect British wife? C'MOOOOON. Was that more real that the Madonna we see now? I don't think so. And I adore the "American Life" era work but also can see how f***d she was in her personal life now in perspective.

I get that some of you don't like this, that, whatever she's done to her face, body, etc. lately, but her body is her choice. I'm always repeating myself when you all didn't seem to have a problem when she started doing botox back in 1997/1998 or surgery in the Confessions era - cause it fitted your idea of beauty. Now that it doesn't, it's an issue. If it was OK that she did it when you liked the results it should be OK that she does it when you don't like them that much, too. Cause maybe, just maybe, she never did it for you and only for herself. And if it's a mistake, it's her mistake and she's the only one that will have to live with it.

And that's it xD Sorry for the rant.

Lol, the ONLY difference… back in the days she did it with a professional background with a team that really care about the person name “””Madonna””” but now she’s doing it by herself & her wacko mind. If it’s coming from a random celebrity like for example Cher I wouldn’t care but coming from Madonna that used to be so damn perfectionist is totally weird! I guess all these ideas & thoughts we fans had about her is simply an illusion… over the past years during her peak she used to be controlled by a pro team but clearly not anymore. 

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17 hours ago, Prayer said:

We're entering dangerous and grey rumors zone here but I remember reading that Guy really didn't take care of her or care about her after the accident and during the recovery and that, plus the fact that it was something super serious (literally it could have been fatal), was the final "fuck it, back to me" for her. I don't think it's a coincidence she went from this:

normalized.jpg

To this:

madonna-actuando-en-el-escenario-en-koko

After the accident she starting coming back to her old usual sexual self persona - and we all loved it, of course, it was like seeing her LIVING again.

So you’re telling me riding horses was something related to Guy??? 😅 judging her personal life based on a photoshoot & a live performance is so random & not accurate! 😘

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On 5/28/2022 at 5:04 AM, Prayer said:

First of all, this isn't personal directly to you, just a written general thought! I agree we all love her and want her do well and be happy, that's the more important thing. But here we go.

Recover from what? From aging? From being herself? Making her own choices? Living her own life?

It's funny that you talk about a documentary, "I'm Going To Tell You A Secret", that is painful to watch now but for other reasons: how subjected she was to a shitty husband that didn't seem to care about her, her work or anything that was important to her; how hard she was trying all the time to be the perfect wife, mother, woman, and how disconnected and lonely she seems all the time in it. But hey, it fit the perfect stylish woman we all wanted to see right? Then it's good.

It's funny too that you talk about ROL when it was just another image that developed over time, yes, if you watch the first album interviews recorded in January 1998 the whole "spiritual" narrative wasn't in full mode yet, she was more "normal", funny, sarcastic and even bored sometimes:

They just saw as they went that it was catchy and the "Frozen" video was a hit and she went full Esther mode once the album was out. Not saying that wasn't a part of her, of course it was, she just amplified it cause she saw it was working. She played the game and she played it perfectly.

I love ROL Madonna, it's the one that made a true fan, but Madonna Ritchie, all covered from head to toe and making a shadow of herself to fit into her husband idea of the perfect British wife? C'MOOOOON. Was that more real that the Madonna we see now? I don't think so. And I adore the "American Life" era work but also can see how f***d she was in her personal life now in perspective.

I get that some of you don't like this, that, whatever she's done to her face, body, etc. lately, but her body is her choice. I'm always repeating myself when you all didn't seem to have a problem when she started doing botox back in 1997/1998 or surgery in the Confessions era - cause it fitted your idea of beauty. Now that it doesn't, it's an issue. If it was OK that she did it when you liked the results it should be OK that she does it when you don't like them that much, too. Cause maybe, just maybe, she never did it for you and only for herself. And if it's a mistake, it's her mistake and she's the only one that will have to live with it.

And that's it xD Sorry for the rant.

The EPK interview was done around the Golden Globes (mid January) and Molly Meldrum at the end of January.

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On 5/28/2022 at 10:04 AM, Prayer said:

First of all, this isn't personal directly to you, just a written general thought! I agree we all love her and want her do well and be happy, that's the more important thing. But here we go.

Recover from what? From aging? From being herself? Making her own choices? Living her own life?

It's funny that you talk about a documentary, "I'm Going To Tell You A Secret", that is painful to watch now but for other reasons: how subjected she was to a shitty husband that didn't seem to care about her, her work or anything that was important to her; how hard she was trying all the time to be the perfect wife, mother, woman, and how disconnected and lonely she seems all the time in it. But hey, it fit the perfect stylish woman we all wanted to see right? Then it's good.

It's funny too that you talk about ROL when it was just another image that developed over time, yes, if you watch the first album interviews recorded in January 1998 the whole "spiritual" narrative wasn't in full mode yet, she was more "normal", funny, sarcastic and even bored sometimes:

They just saw as they went that it was catchy and the "Frozen" video was a hit and she went full Esther mode once the album was out. Not saying that wasn't a part of her, of course it was, she just amplified it cause she saw it was working. She played the game and she played it perfectly.

I love ROL Madonna, it's the one that made a true fan, but Madonna Ritchie, all covered from head to toe and making a shadow of herself to fit into her husband idea of the perfect British wife? C'MOOOOON. Was that more real that the Madonna we see now? I don't think so. And I adore the "American Life" era work but also can see how f***d she was in her personal life now in perspective.

I get that some of you don't like this, that, whatever she's done to her face, body, etc. lately, but her body is her choice. I'm always repeating myself when you all didn't seem to have a problem when she started doing botox back in 1997/1998 or surgery in the Confessions era - cause it fitted your idea of beauty. Now that it doesn't, it's an issue. If it was OK that she did it when you liked the results it should be OK that she does it when you don't like them that much, too. Cause maybe, just maybe, she never did it for you and only for herself. And if it's a mistake, it's her mistake and she's the only one that will have to live with it.

And that's it xD Sorry for the rant.

I love ROL Madonna, it's the one that made a true fan, but Madonna Ritchie, all covered from head to toe and making a shadow of herself to fit into her husband idea of the perfect British wife? C'MOOOOON. Was that more real that the Madonna we see now? I don't think so.

there’s a lot of truth in this… imagine if we could pause time right after bedtime stories, take out everything up to hard candy and press play…it would be an almost seamless continuation of the same woman up to present day. The Madonna we see now is fundamentally the same Madonna we were seeing for the first 10 or so years, she tamed herself while raising young children and being a respectful wife which is admiral and I have nothing but respect for those years. The music was some of her best. She seemed grounded and relatable and content but she wasn’t”MADONNA”. She is MADONNA again now.

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