Guest

Madonna | God Control | June 26

Recommended Posts

2 hours ago, Adrian said:

It's a great video. Intresting tho how on MDNA she sings "bang bang shot you dead, shot your lover in a head"... and now is against guns, lol.  Somehow I don't buy her thing 100% here.  It's her art, it's great but she is still a popstar who wants to get some attention. If not with music and number of streams and views then on things she was "intresting" in the past.  It's kinda calculated.

Gang Bang uses guns as a metaphor; it’s a song about anger, frustration and hurt and realisation. It’s not an endorsement of guns or literal. 

In contrast God Control is about guns and the devastation that they cause.  The gun and message is literal. 

Calculation seems a strange accusation. 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

What discourages me is to know that a work of art of this delay to achieve 1kk visualizations and a totally predictable Camila and Shawn song has 100kk at the same time, or even a song that ENCOURAGES the use of guns, like Cardi's B, explodes views.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Adrian said:

You missed my point here, I just think it's more calculated to get attention. Plus, there's one thing when you are the ONLY artist than having 100 people and you are just the main star in the movie. Just saying. She didn't produced her music, Mirwais did. She didin't direct or made a script for this video Jonas and his team did. I don't say she did nothig, but she did not create all this by herself so I cannot consider this to be "her art". It's not.

Do we know that Madonna did not select the director based on her beliefs that Jonas was the best person to bring about her vision? Or Mirwais is the best producer to get what she wanted?

This is Madonna we’re talking about. Some artist have no involvement in stuff, sure. But Madonna? No. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, DrewB83 said:

Gang Bang uses guns as a metaphor; it’s a song about anger, frustration and hurt and realisation. It’s not an endorsement of guns or literal. 

In contrast God Control is about guns and the devastation that they cause.  The gun and message is literal. 

Calculation seems a strange accusation. 

 

 

Not literal in a song but the only thing I saw live on MDNA tour from Revolver to Papa don't preach was violence and guns. So it was very literal.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Luiz Ribeiro said:

 

 Camila and Shawn song has 100kk at the same time, 

I don't think people can masturbate to God Control. I mean, I guess u could but Senorita has something for everyone. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, DrewB83 said:

Do we know that Madonna did not select the director based on her beliefs that Jonas was the best person to bring about her vision? Or Mirwais is the best producer to get what she wanted?

This is Madonna we’re talking about. Some artist have no involvement in stuff, sure. But Madonna? No. 

She also did music with other producers that did not went all that great. So what was her input there if she's so involved? Why it didn't work there?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Adrian said:

Not literal in a song but the only thing I saw live on MDNA tour from Revolver to Papa don't preach was violence and guns. So it was very literal.

that show had a storyline from darkness to light, so obviously the violent section served a purpose when looking at the whole show. :thinker: 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Adrian said:

She also did music with other producers that did not went all that great. So what was her input there if she's so involved? Why it didn't work there?

There are multiple reasons and each artist that selects producers or directors can produce a poor result. That is the nature of collaboration. It’s not just limited to Madonna. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Adrian said:

Not literal in a song but the only thing I saw live on MDNA tour from Revolver to Papa don't preach was violence and guns. So it was very literal.

She also had guns on stage during the second act of ReInvention. But Madonna’s message was quite clear. MDNA had a storyline. It’s not an endorsement of guns.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Fanfan said:

I think the two Madonnas in the video are not in the same time period. 

"Writing" Madonna is in the past (hence the typewriter and old style phone). She's listening to a record of "We need to wake up", and writing about gun control.

Many years later, the problem is still unresolved.

Discodonna is getting ready in the same apartment. Notice that the poster about straight white men ruling the world is still there, meaning not a lot has changed since. The club is doing some kind of tribute night to "We need to wake up ". 

This would also match the reverse time line theme going on, and the inability to solve the issue over long periods of time. 

I think this can also connect to the Crave music video and the 80’s/90’s New York aesthetic she uses. Same thing with the Medellin video. Madame X gives off time travel vibes and I love it! 

This idea of being able to create a character that is universal, that can be anything or anywhere is amazing, especially for a woman, because we are so often expected to only be one thing at a time. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There has to be another version/alternate cut. Remember the shots of disco Donna driving the car behind the wheel that leaked 

Well she was never even in the car in this released version

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, xavier said:

There has to be another version/alternate cut. Remember the shots of disco Donna driving the car behind the wheel that leaked 

Well she was never even in the car in this released version

Not leaked, though. That was behind-the-scenes footage that she shared in a teaser. We never actually saw finished video footage of Madonna driving.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
54 minutes ago, Fighter said:

that show had a storyline from darkness to light, so obviously the violent section served a purpose when looking at the whole show. :thinker: 

Where's the light?  Like a prayer?  And how cheerleeding, vouging and nipple showing has to do with a storyline of the guns in the beginnig. Just because she said it doesn't make it right. It would have sense if in the end of the first segment the story ends somehow with "light" - sorry but other segments are not connected to anything but are what they are, stories and segments on its own.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Adrian said:

Where's the light?  Like a prayer?  And how cheerleeding, vouging and nipple showing has to do with a storyline of the guns in the beginnig. Just because she said it doesn't make it right. It would have sense if in the end of the first segment the story ends somehow with "light" - sorry but other segments are not connected to anything but are what they are, stories and segments on its own.

well since you understand so much about what art is I'm sure you can look into the show yourself

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, somethingscomingover said:

I think this can also connect to the Crave music video and the 80’s/90’s New York aesthetic she uses. Same thing with the Medellin video. Madame X gives off time travel vibes and I love it! 

This idea of being able to create a character that is universal, that can be anything or anywhere is amazing, especially for a woman, because we are so often expected to only be one thing at a time. 

Yes; artistically, Madame X is without doubt proving a rich and fascinating concept.

 

I’m also starting to see more what it is she has taken from The Bad Girl.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest

Pleeeeeeease give us a twisted Mirwais Remix with a vocodered "Everybody Knows The Damn Truth" looped over and over. 

And yes, an extended 12" Disco Mix would be perfect!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest

Alright... after digging around a bit my interpretation is that the two Madonnas are the same. They are in the same room and they are wearing the same nail polish. At 1:45 its a close up of Discodonna's nails then followed by Dissapointedonna's hand covering her face showing her nails through her glove. This is not an accident. Initially I thought Dissapointedonna was writing to us, looking at us, disappointed in us... but I think Dissapointedonna is Discodonna's brain. It's her internal dialogue. She begins writing after she sees the school shooting. Except Discodonna isn't listening or "waking up". I was initially put off by how many typewriting scenes there were that didn't take the story anywhere, but that's exactly what it is supposed to be. It's her brain trying endlessly to wake up. She's not listening to herself when she clearly knows things are fucked up. She resorts to saying the same thing over and over and over to drive the point across as our brains do sometimes.  We lost Gun Control We lost Gun Control We lost Gun Control We lost Gun Control 

She slams her fists against the typewriter after she's mugged at gunpoint. 

When discodonna is shot we see disappointedonna wince. 

The reason Madonna is seen breathing is not a mistake, it's because you never see her dead. She's still clinging to life. The only indication of her being dead is before you see Madonna at all. It is implied by the same room shown sideways with no furnishings and the light turned off. Then immediately Dissapointedonna is shown at the typewriter, but not moving or typing yet. This is the moment before she dies. We are moving backwards in time as we all know. 

She's saying that we are all thinking these things, but we're not listening to ourselves or doing anything about it. Everybody knows the damn truth but we're not waking up. This is also why she keeps saying she doesn't smoke dope in the song, she doesn't want to silence her brain, the "friend" thats trying to save her. 

I think it's fucking brilliant!!! 

 

This also makes the message a bit more palatable as she's not preeching to anyone but herself. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/27/2019 at 12:21 AM, LUXURY said:

I'm beginning to think that no matter what she does, some of you will never be satisfied.

She has a very eclectic and broad age fan base so yes not everyone will love what she does - I’m just happy she’s still making music and videos whether it’s a masterpiece or not 😍

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, RUADJAI said:

Alright... after digging around a bit my interpretation is that the two Madonnas are the same. They are in the same room and they are wearing the same nail polish. At 1:45 its a close up of Discodonna's nails then followed by Dissapointedonna's hand covering her face showing her nails through her glove. This is not an accident. Initially I thought Dissapointedonna was writing to us, looking at us, disappointed in us... but I think Dissapointedonna is Discodonna's brain. It's her internal dialogue. She begins writing after she sees the school shooting. Except Discodonna isn't listening or "waking up". I was initially put off by how many typewriting scenes there were that didn't take the story anywhere, but that's exactly what it is supposed to be. It's her brain trying endlessly to wake up. She's not listening to herself when she clearly knows things are fucked up. She resorts to saying the same thing over and over and over to drive the point across as our brains do sometimes.  We lost Gun Control We lost Gun Control We lost Gun Control We lost Gun Control 

She slams her fists against the typewriter after she's mugged at gunpoint. 

When discodonna is shot we see disappointedonna wince. 

The reason Madonna is seen breathing is not a mistake, it's because you never see her dead. She's still clinging to life. The only indication of her being dead is before you see Madonna at all. It is implied by the same room shown sideways with no furnishings and the light turned off. Then immediately Dissapointedonna is shown at the typewriter, but not moving or typing yet. This is the moment before she dies. We are moving backwards in time as we all know. 

She's saying that we are all thinking these things, but we're not listening to ourselves or doing anything about it. Everybody knows the damn truth but we're not waking up. This is also why she keeps saying she doesn't smoke dope in the song, she doesn't want to silence her brain, the "friend" thats trying to save her. 

I think it's fucking brilliant!!! 

 

Thanks for this. I was definitely thinking along the same lines

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Joseebus said:

Not leaked, though. That was behind-the-scenes footage that she shared in a teaser. We never actually saw finished video footage of Madonna driving.

Exactly 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, RUADJAI said:

Alright... after digging around a bit my interpretation is that the two Madonnas are the same. They are in the same room and they are wearing the same nail polish. At 1:45 its a close up of Discodonna's nails then followed by Dissapointedonna's hand covering her face showing her nails through her glove. This is not an accident. Initially I thought Dissapointedonna was writing to us, looking at us, disappointed in us... but I think Dissapointedonna is Discodonna's brain. It's her internal dialogue. She begins writing after she sees the school shooting. Except Discodonna isn't listening or "waking up". I was initially put off by how many typewriting scenes there were that didn't take the story anywhere, but that's exactly what it is supposed to be. It's her brain trying endlessly to wake up. She's not listening to herself when she clearly knows things are fucked up. She resorts to saying the same thing over and over and over to drive the point across as our brains do sometimes.  We lost Gun Control We lost Gun Control We lost Gun Control We lost Gun Control 

She slams her fists against the typewriter after she's mugged at gunpoint. 

When discodonna is shot we see disappointedonna wince. 

The reason Madonna is seen breathing is not a mistake, it's because you never see her dead. She's still clinging to life. The only indication of her being dead is before you see Madonna at all. It is implied by the same room shown sideways with no furnishings and the light turned off. Then immediately Dissapointedonna is shown at the typewriter, but not moving or typing yet. This is the moment before she dies. We are moving backwards in time as we all know. 

She's saying that we are all thinking these things, but we're not listening to ourselves or doing anything about it. Everybody knows the damn truth but we're not waking up. This is also why she keeps saying she doesn't smoke dope in the song, she doesn't want to silence her brain, the "friend" thats trying to save her. 

I think it's fucking brilliant!!! 

 

This also makes the message a bit more palatable as she's not preeching to anyone but herself. 

It's making sense to me.

Disappointedonna is heavily writing towards the end of the video. Meaning - if you think chronologically - when Discodonna is getting ready for party, seeing the news of a mass shooting, Disappointedonna (her brain), starts heavily writing „WE LOST GUN CONTROL“, writing text after text like a warning.

Throughout the video Disappointedonna is tipping slower. As Discodonna is getting robbed, Disappointedonna slams her fists against the typewriter. Like „DIDN'T YOU SEE THE WARNING SIGNS? GET HOME!“.

Discodonna is heading to the club, dancing. Her brain continues to tell her things but she's ignoring it.

After the shooting, Discodonna is still alive but she is dying. So Disappointedonna writes her last words until the song on the vinyl stops. She died with her since she's sitting motionless in her chair.

The point where the video begins. 

I love this concept. Thank you for this.

And sorry for my grammar.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To the haters who say Madonna is exploiting victims.... the gun violence problem in America belongs to everyone.  Her message is not capitalistic but humanistic.  Pretending is what we always do and "not offending the victims" is the oldest lie in the NRA's arsenal.  The victims were probably very offended as bullets riddled their bodies.  It is time to speak up and loudly.  Bravo Madame X for your artistic courage and your true heart.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think art is a medium for the taboo and sensitive. I don’t think pornography is good, but I also think the human body needs to be exposed in some reasonable manner. Art and academics allows for us to see nudity in a tasteful and understable manner. If we can’t talk about it or show it, then there will come a day some thing gun violence spin out of control because we were too afraid to look at it and into it. I think M could’ve presented it in a stronger way, but I can’t argue that the club scenes aren’t beautiful. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.