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8 hours ago, momosfantasy said:

The exact quote was "I hope Dua cancels the release of the single", which is about as over the top and overreactionary as I was trying to be in my post.  It was meant to be a bit sarcastic and absurd, which I realize doesn't always come across when it's written out as opposed to in person discussion.

I guess I'm just really tired of the extremist mob mentality of those who support things like cancel culture, because all too often with people like this there is zero room for nuanced discussion, difference of opinion, understanding of human foibles, or (gasp!) forgiveness of human error.  It's just: "This person said something wrong/thoughtless/different from my own opinion (which is often parroted from yet other sources).  Therefore, anything of any value or worth they've ever done is now null and void.  Delete.".  It's the worst kind of thought-fascism, and the absolute enemy of freedom of thought and expression, because all too often, people feel like they have to go with the crowd, lest they become an un-person.  It's what Orwell was warning us about in "1984", and it's gross.  I am NOT going to change my mind that cancelling a planned single release due to the ignorant re-post of an obvious conspiracy theory would be anything other than a ridiculously overblown consequence, and thus stand by my suggestion to "get a grip".

One of the biggest tools of fascism is the spread of misinformation. So I don't think we should be talking about cancel culture for people being justifiably upset when this virus has affected everyone's life. Even if I don't agree with extremist reactions it's totally understandable. 

I also don't think anyone is really trying to cancel her. Most reactions on stan twitter are disbelief or sadness with the occasional meme thrown in. In other places you can tell that the people who are angry would never have supported her career in the first place. Lots of "always thought she sucked" type of stuff. With Madonna either people don't care enough to cancel her or care too much to drop her over a mistake. 

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5 minutes ago, o_g_c_x said:

Instagram has a filter for fake news...maybe she didnt delete it. In fact some media is telling that Instagram deleted it, not her...

https://jenesaispop.com/2020/07/29/395543/madonna-comparte-un-bulo-sobre-el-coronavirus-e-instagram-se-lo-censura/

 

That would be even sadder...

 

well, I reported the post as false information. I think thousands of other followers must have done the same thing. We did Guy Oseary's work.:Madonna025:

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25 minutes ago, Fighter said:

The media doesn't control scientific consensus.

 If she didn't have any doubts about the information, why did she delete it? If she was sure about it she would not let a social media "cancellation" stop her from saving lives. 

Honestly I would not go to someone that thinks illness comes from fucking demos for brain surgery. It doesn't give me confidence in their knowledge of medicine if they believe that. 

No, it should not come from personal opinion, it should come from expert consensus. 

I believe reality is a consensus of people with common sense. Outlandish claims without proof are conspiracy theories until proven otherwise. 

We are arguing literal insanity here. 

It's clearly a divisive issue, and I respect your opinion, and the time you took to individually address the points I made. Everything I wrote was pure circumspection, and I work hard daily to stay as objective as possible in how I experience and process information. There are, however, many "experts" and medical professionals who agree with this particular doctor in terms of treatment of the illness in those with comorbidity, and I cannot personally dismiss them anymore than I would the type of "expert" analysis fed to us through the public voices selected by the mainstream media.  I am deeply untrusting of all sources until there is proof. All I think anyone is asking for is due process. I expect scientific experts to give proof to support their current theories, as well as proof of the reasons for their rejection of other "expert" opinions. You are correct that the media doesn't control scientific consensus, but they do have control over what they selectively choose to report on, as well as how they report on anything. 

Science is an evolutionary discipline. Any scientist claiming to have irrefutable evidence of 100% certainty about anything novel and previously undiscovered must be scrutinized because that is in itself the very essence of science itself. We know almost nothing about this disease, and in case anyone hasn't noticed, power structures are scrambling and crumbling at this time. Therefore, I am not sure why anyone wouldn't understand that fascism comes in a multitude of forms, and generally it is pernicious in its attack. I understand that I have a very different world view than the vast majority of people, but I believe in debate in order that we might all learn from each other. 

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Some info on the other doctors from that video.

(I don't think this has been shared... forgive me I didn't read through all the pages before...)

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87797

"...none of them have practices that would place them on the actual front lines of the COVID-19 pandemic. Some don't currently practice at all."

"Two of those appearing at the Monday event are ophthalmologists(a specialist in the branch of medicine concerned with the study and treatment of disorders and diseases of the eye.), one of whom is no longer licensed."

 

I honestly don't blame Madonna. I had an intelligent friend who ended up posting the same thing. I think they got duped in this age of misinformation. Where you see people in white coats on the steps on the Supreme Court and think... hmmmm, there must be some validity to it. 

But a little dig into how these people came about, and putting two and two together, it's very apparent what their objective is. To spread misinformation so the people are behind reopening schools so we can then reopen the country so Republicans can go back to making money. 

 

 

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Also, may I add that as we now know that 86% of people put on ventilators die, if the claims this doctor is making are verifiable - that over 300 patients she has treated have been cured with the combination of the malaria drug, zinc and azythromycin - why would anyone not want to explore this fully and transparently? We don't take issue with the ventilators! It simply makes no sense to dismiss the ideology of a person before their theory has been scientifically disproven. I don't mind being called crazy. I am curious. That's my right, and my duty. 

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12 minutes ago, RUADJAI said:

With all due respect, can you please provide ONE actual expert claiming Hydroxychloroquine is a cure for Covid-19?

As you will find in all of my posts on this matter, the fundamental issue here in my opinion is the definition of what an expert is. The entire infotainment farce of mainstream media news is based upon the notion that experts form panels (for which they often receive compensation or the opportunity to promote themselves, which is problematic and unethical in my opinion) in order to give their personal opinions on information that is neither definitive nor fully scrutinized. I appreciate you sharing the information regarding the other doctors standing behind her. I understand that this has become deeply politicized. I am not blind to the possibility that I am being lied to or manipulated by anyone. That said, I am 100% certain that corporate interests do not reflect my own personal values, nor do they protect my own well-being. As Madonna herself once said, and I paraphrase, anyone who thinks their government is looking out for them is a fool. I'm in it to win for the betterment of all. 

 

I have zero interest in further contributing to this topic as I can see how quickly it has turned into a form of personalized egoic attack. What I have shared is my individual perspective. I respect everyone else's, and until there is definitive evidence that this treatment is worthless and quackery, I will continue to remain hopeful and open-minded. I suggest all those who are so triggered by anyone with a different opinion aspire to the same mindset. 

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12 minutes ago, deathproof said:

You are preaching something with lack of evidence. Why are you continuing on?

Perhaps a matter of timing of our respective posts, but I addressed this. For your reference:

Also, may I add that as we now know that 86% of people put on ventilators die, if the claims this doctor is making are verifiable - that over 300 patients she has treated have been cured with the combination of the malaria drug, zinc and azythromycin - why would anyone not want to explore this fully and transparently? We don't take issue with the ventilators! It simply makes no sense to dismiss the ideology of a person before their theory has been scientifically disproven. I don't mind being called crazy. I am curious. That's my right, and my duty. 

 

I really would like to know how everyone dismissing the other side of the argument is so certain that their information is fool proof. It's shocking to me that you wouldn't instead focus your attention on the possibilities that there is in fact a more accessible solution. This is about humanitarism, not ideology. 

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4 minutes ago, Alibaba said:

Perhaps a matter of timing of our respective posts, but I addressed this. For your reference:

Also, may I add that as we now know that 86% of people put on ventilators die, if the claims this doctor is making are verifiable - that over 300 patients she has treated have been cured with the combination of the malaria drug, zinc and azythromycin - why would anyone not want to explore this fully and transparently? We don't take issue with the ventilators! It simply makes no sense to dismiss the ideology of a person before their theory has been scientifically disproven. I don't mind being called crazy. I am curious. That's my right, and my duty. 

I quoted this earlier lol. You’re not presenting any facts or sources. You yourself even questioned it; “IF the claims this doctor is making are verifiable....” 

Feel free to be curious. But don’t take it as a credible source, especially when it has already been discredited by THE FDA.

Just because the FDA approved hydroxychloroquine to treat lupus and malaria , doesn’t mean it will cure COVID. The FDA is against it. There’s NO clinical trial for it.

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31 minutes ago, Alibaba said:

It's clearly a divisive issue, and I respect your opinion, and the time you took to individually address the points I made. Everything I wrote was pure circumspection, and I work hard daily to stay as objective as possible in how I experience and process information. There are, however, many "experts" and medical professionals who agree with this particular doctor in terms of treatment of the illness in those with comorbidity, and I cannot personally dismiss them anymore than I would the type of "expert" analysis fed to us through the public voices selected by the mainstream media.  I am deeply untrusting of all sources until there is proof. All I think anyone is asking for is due process. I expect scientific experts to give proof to support their current theories, as well as proof of the reasons for their rejection of other "expert" opinions. You are correct that the media doesn't control scientific consensus, but they do have control over what they selectively choose to report on, as well as how they report on anything. 

Science is an evolutionary discipline. Any scientist claiming to have irrefutable evidence of 100% certainty about anything novel and previously undiscovered must be scrutinized because that is in itself the very essence of science itself. We know almost nothing about this disease, and in case anyone hasn't noticed, power structures are scrambling and crumbling at this time. Therefore, I am not sure why anyone wouldn't understand that fascism comes in a multitude of forms, and generally it is pernicious in its attack. I understand that I have a very different world view than the vast majority of people, but I believe in debate in order that we might all learn from each other. 

Some people saying the drug is a cure, even if they're doctors, doesn't mean consensus tbh. The studies so far show the drug is not effective and that it has risks. It's not like it hasn't been tried. And if consensus is fake then that means the Deep State Big Pharma Illuminati Overlords™ have most scientists and doctors bought off. Then we could just say all science is fake, all illnesses are a hoax and all vaccines are alien cum,, 

 

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2 minutes ago, deathproof said:

I quoted this earlier lol. You’re not presenting any facts or sources. You yourself even questioned it; “IF the claims this doctor is making are verifiable....” 

Feel free to be curious. But don’t take it as a credible source, especially when it has already been discredited by THE FDA.

Again, I am not. I am a meticulous and diligent communicator, and every conditional I express is intended to convey that, in all humility, I do not claim to be certain of anything. I am questioning and curious. There is nothing intended as controversial or provocative in my writing. It is simply my personal quest to remain open to all possibilities that haven't been debunked by a thorough process of elimination. 

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2 minutes ago, Alibaba said:

Again, I am not. I am a meticulous and diligent communicator, and every conditional I express is intended to convey that, in all humility, I do not claim to be certain of anything. I am questioning and curious. There is nothing intended as controversial or provocative in my writing. It is simply my personal quest to remain open to all possibilities that haven't been debunked by a thorough process of elimination. 

“June 15, 2020 Update: Based on ongoing analysis and emerging scientific data, FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19”

Is the FDA not credible enough for you?

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8 minutes ago, Alibaba said:

As you will find in all of my posts on this matter, the fundamental issue here in my opinion is the definition of what an expert is. The entire infotainment farce of mainstream media news is based upon the notion that experts form panels (for which they often receive compensation or the opportunity to promote themselves, which is problematic and unethical in my opinion) in order to give their personal opinions on information that is neither definitive nor fully scrutinized. I appreciate you sharing the information regarding the other doctors standing behind her. I understand that this has become deeply politicized. I am not blind to the possibility that I am being lied to or manipulated by anyone. That said, I am 100% certain that corporate interests do not reflect my own personal values, nor do they protect my own well-being. As Madonna herself once said, and I paraphrase, anyone who thinks their government is looking out for them is a fool. I'm in it to win for the betterment of all. 

 

I have zero interest in further contributing to this topic as I can see how quickly it has turned into a form of personalized egoic attack. What I have shared is my individual perspective. I respect everyone else's, and until there is definitive evidence that this treatment is worthless and quackery, I will continue to remain hopeful and open-minded. I suggest all those who are so triggered by anyone with a different opinion aspire to the same mindset. 

ok... I'll post mine. 

 

Dr. Anthony Fauci

“You look at the scientific data and the evidence. And the scientific data ... on trials that are valid, that were randomized and controlled in the proper way, all of those trials show consistently that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment of coronavirus disease or Covid-19,” the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said during an interview on MSNBC.

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4 minutes ago, Fighter said:

Some people saying the drug is a cure, even if they're doctors, doesn't mean consensus tbh. The studies so far show the drug is not effective and that it has risks. It's not like it hasn't been tried. And if consensus is fake then that means the Deep State Big Pharma Illuminati Overlords™ have most scientists and doctors bought off. Then we could just say all science is fake, all illnesses are a hoax and all vaccines are alien cum,, 

 

All scientific evidence can and will evolve, and potentially be disproven. In fact, this is most often the case. It's the very principle upon which science is based. Once upon a time, not too long ago, cocaine was prescribed by doctors, and face creams contained poisonous chemicals that gave people cancer. AIDS drugs that were not effective but prescribed turned out to actually kill people. They couldn't know this until after it had been established. I am not sure how I can convey this any more clearly. 

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We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including those showing the suggested dosing for these medicines are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19.

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

 

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1 minute ago, RUADJAI said:

ok... I'll post mine. 

 

Dr. Anthony Fauci

“You look at the scientific data and the evidence. And the scientific data ... on trials that are valid, that were randomized and controlled in the proper way, all of those trials show consistently that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment of coronavirus disease or Covid-19,” the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said during an interview on MSNBC.

Are you familiar with Dr Fauci's history  when he was handling the AIDS crisis, and how he was viewed by gay men and AIDS activists in the 1980s? I actually do question the FDA's authority on many issues! As I said before, I have a very different world view in comparison to anyone who thinks that government agencies are working for the common good of the people. That, in my very humble opinion, is what will prevent us from finding common ground here unfortunately, but it's a risk I am willing to take. I also will gladly eat humble pie as soon as we've found a definitively empirical solution to this global health crisis. I look forward to reading more debate about this. My thanks to all who have shared in this discussion. 

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