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1 hour ago, nito84bcn said:

When she releases an album lately, is like there is no heart on it.

1 hour ago, nito84bcn said:

If she doesn't want to perform anymore, or record, it's fine. But don't take your public for granted like if everyone is stupid except for herself. 

what gives you this impression?

madonna felt pretty strong and confident about madame x. it wasn’t just a cash grab. you don’t have to like the album, however, but to assume there’s no heart in her records anymore?

you can say that about her luxurious skincare line (although she loves her rose mist), but certainly not about her records. 

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2 hours ago, Loki said:

Sincerely, I don't know what to expect. When I see her posts, I always have the feeling she's hiding her real intentions with tons of smoke screens. Maybe nowadays she's listening to what the market is offering, as she did in the '90 (oh, good old days), but I'm very doubtful she likes it: it's uncommon to love Nina Simone or other myths and then appreciate current rappers. Oh, don't forget she's already released an album with rappers. It's very unlikely she'll do the same thing twice (pray it won't happen). 

There is a thing called diversity, you know...

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6 hours ago, steady75 said:

I love me a political album but hmmm. I don’t know if it’s what her brand needs again so soon after quite a heavily / socio political album. 
 

Madame X was not a party album and I genuinely think we’re about to move into a more post war Glorious Technicolour escapist era in music. 
 

Life is heavy right now and historically young new artists speak about societal ills in times of crisis whilst established artists act as a reassuring comfort with messages of hope and escapism. 
I suppose that’s too much to expect of an artist like Madonna and I’m not sure if Fun is something I associate with her anymore anyway so it may come off as flaccid as Turn Up The Radio.

I dunno. I’d like her new music to literally feel like a hope filled Ray Of Light in this dark world right now. And that doesn’t have to be hearts and puppies... it doesn’t have to be gas masks and burning flags either. 
And Martyrdonna is the completely wrong tone. 

Ditto. The world needs rays of light and fun as much as possible. 

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4 hours ago, deathproof said:

and I think she continues to use rap and hip hop music as a way to annoy them. Much like how complaints about her grillz just force her to wear them even more.

This attitude puzzles me a lot. She’s never been known for shying away from everything but she’s never been as stubborn as she’s been in recent years. She could always differentiate well between criticism that came from people outside of her fan base (the criticism of her LAV choreography in 1990) and criticism that was a really harming her career. That’s why she did not continue to behave like during her infamous 1994 Letterman performance. 
These days, however, it seems as if she has lost this ability. People dislike something she does and she does it even more, no matter how much she alienates her fans by that. 

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5 hours ago, Loki said:

I really appreciated Madame X because it was dark enough to shock people and oblige them to ask themselves what kind of world they want to live in. And today shocking our society is not so easy, mainly because people lost the sense of wonder and think that everything is granted. We lost hope and trust in the future. 

I’ve never seen a Madame X as a record that was strong enough to actually make people question what kind of world they want to live in. Most of the more “political” songs remained rather vague in their lyrics. A song like Future is about everything and nothing, so is God Control. It was accompanied by a very literal video but lyrically none of the songs had a clear message such as Express Yourself e.g. had. 
Furthermore, the darker songs were mixed with and overshadowed by songs such as Medellin, Crave, Crazy, Faz Gostoso or Bitch I’m Loca which sounded quite out of place and in some cases pretty dull next to the more mellow songs. That’s why I’ve always seen Madame X as a very mixed bag and whatever vision Madonna had when she made the record, she did not manage to execute it in a way that her message was either understandable or relatable. 

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2 hours ago, nodoman said:

what gives you this impression?

madonna felt pretty strong and confident about madame x. it wasn’t just a cash grab. you don’t have to like the album, however, but to assume there’s no heart in her records anymore?

you can say that about her luxurious skincare line (although she loves her rose mist), but certainly not about her records. 

She barely promoted it, though. We had one performance of Medellin and one of Future. That was it. 
And while many artists played little gigs at home during the pandemic, she couldn’t be bothered to have David and Mercy accompany her on guitar and piano for a performance of Killers or Extreme Occident or any other of the more mellow songs from Madame X. 

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16 minutes ago, ShantiAshtangi said:

This attitude puzzles me a lot. She’s never been known for shying away from everything but she’s never been as stubborn as she’s been in recent years. She could always differentiate well between criticism that came from people outside of her fan base (the criticism of her LAV choreography in 1990) and criticism that was a really harming her career. That’s why she did not continue to behave like during her infamous 1994 Letterman performance. 
These days, however, it seems as if she has lost this ability. People dislike something she does and she does it even more, no matter how much she alienates her fans by that. 

The difference is the management team behind her. Guy O would NEVER be able to make a turn like Erotica/Bedtime/Evita.

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2 hours ago, ShantiAshtangi said:

She barely promoted it, though. We had one performance of Medellin and one of Future. That was it. 
And while many artists played little gigs at home during the pandemic, she couldn’t be bothered to have David and Mercy accompany her on guitar and piano for a performance of Killers or Extreme Occident or any other of the more mellow songs from Madame X. 

well... that’s something i can’t deny.

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2 hours ago, ShantiAshtangi said:

This attitude puzzles me a lot. She’s never been known for shying away from everything but she’s never been as stubborn as she’s been in recent years. She could always differentiate well between criticism that came from people outside of her fan base (the criticism of her LAV choreography in 1990) and criticism that was a really harming her career. That’s why she did not continue to behave like during her infamous 1994 Letterman performance. 
These days, however, it seems as if she has lost this ability. People dislike something she does and she does it even more, no matter how much she alienates her fans by that. 

Liz was responsible for a lot of those pivots. I believe Madonna referred to her as "Mom" sometimes and I can see how an adult supervising an "adult" with a lot of money and all the freedom in the world (give or take) would have benefits. 

If I were left to my own devices, I'd chain-smoke and play video games all day (I think), but instead I have a loving partner that would never let me smoke and I don't play video games. Madonna might be surrounded by enablers or people just afraid to be honest with her.

Or, she just chops those people out of her social circle to avoid having to justify her actions.

Imagine Rosie? or Gwyneth Paltrow or Sting or Stella? Those folks are long-gone, I think for a reason.

 

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On 12/29/2020 at 9:40 AM, nito84bcn said:

I think Rebel Heart and Madame X were steps in the correct direction

We'll have to agree to disagree. I thought that both were steps in the wrong direction, actually. I mean not that albums like Hard Candy and MDNA were particularly revolutionary either, but I'd still rather listen to those two albums on repeat than listen to contrived albums like RH and MX if I can help it. The visuals and lyrics from her latest two eras felt too try-hard and trite to me; I don't need her to be some avant-garde, self-righteous storyteller, I just want good music without any forced messages. 

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4 hours ago, deathproof said:

There is a thing called diversity, you know...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that this is not the case. I bet she doesn't even know which rappers or singers are on those songs that has being played. Most of the time, I think, her kids (including her bf) bring that style to her attention and she let them play it as much as they want. Let's not forget that rap/hiphop is something that is only a big thing in the USA, so most of her fans do not care or don't identify with the genre. I know it has a background, where and why it's important for the community that it represent, but there's more ways to help and raise awareness to racism than playing songs that, most of the time, do not good for her. If she wants to fight against haters, racists, it's not by posting more hiphop songs, but doing it the right way, like putting music out there that are explicit about it. Doing a great song with African singers that are screaming to spread awareness. Giving voice to them, who on their own, would have never reached the level of audience that Madonna have. The only thing that we have from her, venturing into that style, is Champagne Rose, that is something atrocious. 

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14 minutes ago, Levon said:

Isn't it interesting that you still classify COADF as better than the "culturally significant" Madame X? ?

I actually think Madame X is her best album :Madonna003:

I just know I’m not going to win on that debate because her fans aren’t ready for that conversation yet 

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I think there are at least two more monumental records in her that we might hear later in her 60's or 70's, probably bitching because they won't be selling that well though. By then her kids won't need her the same anymore, she will be a bit tired of pissing people for the sake of it and of inauthentic things to keep her up with the young. Madonna's last bunch of records have all been about her, it appears in the title. And they're confusing maybe because she is still figuring out herself. She is doubting all things she might have been adamant about in the 90's or 00's. When she is more at peace with herself we'll get the records we want. That said, I've never been disappointed in a Madonna record because, unlike many artists out there, her melodies are strong and undeniable. Sometimes I believe that everyone hates her on her life choices these days but only her bigger fans hate her on her music. The others don't care so maybe we shouldn't attack her at her every project and encourage her to make more of them till she's struck the vein finally.

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39 minutes ago, Shoful said:

All the Madame X bashing when it’s better than the 3 prior albums (HC, MDNA, RH) put together. The secret agent remains unbothered by her uncultured fans :) 

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Also unpopular opinion here: I love Madonna’s Madame X autotuned voice. I think it sounds amazing. She’s doing it not as a corrector but as to make a harsh sound. I LOVE how she sounds. 

THANK YOU!

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one thinking this. Agree with all of this 100%. Also about the autotune - it suits so well imo (and she even explained how she likes to play around and make her voice sound 'robotic').

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45 minutes ago, Shoful said:

I actually think Madame X is her best album :Madonna003:

I just know I’m not going to win on that debate because her fans aren’t ready for that conversation yet 

Don't get me wrong: MX is a great album - and maybe her best since Ray of Light.

But it's not the album you recommend to friends who want to get to know Madonna.

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3 hours ago, ShantiAshtangi said:

She barely promoted it, though. We had one performance of Medellin and one of Future. That was it. 
And while many artists played little gigs at home during the pandemic, she couldn’t be bothered to have David and Mercy accompany her on guitar and piano for a performance of Killers or Extreme Occident or any other of the more mellow songs from Madame X. 

1 documentary, 5 video clips, 2 performance. That doesn't sound like something barely promoted for me. Yes, we had few live perf, but more clips thant previous albums and the others didn't get a documentary.

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25 minutes ago, Eddie98 said:

THANK YOU!

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one thinking this. Agree with all of this 100%. Also about the autotune - it suits so well imo (and she even explained how she likes to play around and make her voice sound 'robotic').

I'm on your side too. I have ZERO issues with M using autotune and vocoder effects on her voice. In fact, I think it has given her work with Mirwais a distinctive and revolutionary sound. The sonic clash of old/traditional instrumentation/genres being incorporated into newer sounds and technologies is pure lush and also very interesting (and bold!), in my opinion. More importantly, this contrast in sounds throughout MX makes me think that that's exactly the binarism and paradoxical world Madonna wanted to create and convey all along — a constant push and pull between extremes, sonically, philosophically and lyrically.

Madonna has been using autotune since at least Music and suddenly the world accuses her of not knowing how to sing (again!), or overusing it... It is clearly an aesthetic choice, and many of her fans cannot see that, still (even when a lot of them actually saw her live on the MX Tour, when her voice was in superb shape).

Also, SO many artists nowadays use autotune (particularly in rap, hip-hop and R&B), yet M gets criticised for it? Drake and Kanye have made a career out of excessive use of autotune. I have wondered if maybe pop fans actually have sexist expectations on how a woman's vocal delivery should be? Madonna has dealt with very harsh criticism in regards to her vocal talent throughout her career, but maybe now critics feel that, with autotune, they finally have the perfect "excuse" to bash her? Honestly, I don't know... I just think the answer is far more complex than we think. 

And of course, you're entitled to not liking autotune. That's okay too.

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4 hours ago, ShantiAshtangi said:

She barely promoted it, though. We had one performance of Medellin and one of Future. That was it. 
And while many artists played little gigs at home during the pandemic, she couldn’t be bothered to have David and Mercy accompany her on guitar and piano for a performance of Killers or Extreme Occident or any other of the more mellow songs from Madame X. 

I mean she did end her tour right when all the lockdowns started so I'm pretty sure performing was the last thing she wanted to do, especially considering she spent that time in lockdown doing cryptic milk baths and healing from her knee injuries. Plus, Madame X had been out for nine months by the time COVID was declared a pandemic and was already out of the charts for a few months by lockdown so doing anymore promotion for it would've been redundant by that point.

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19 minutes ago, madfan13_86 said:

Madonna has been using autotune since at least Music and suddenly the world accuses her of not knowing how to sing (again!), or overusing it... It is clearly an aesthetic choice, and many of her fans cannot see that, still (even when a lot of them actually saw her live on the MX Tour, when her voice was in superb shape).

Also, SO many artists nowadays use autotune (particularly in rap, hip-hop and R&B), yet M gets criticised for it? Drake and Kanye have made a career out of excessive use of autotune. I have wondered if maybe pop fans actually have sexist expectations on how a woman's vocal delivery should be? Madonna has dealt with very harsh criticism in regards to her vocal talent throughout her career, but maybe now critics feel that, with autotune, they finally have the perfect "excuse" to bash her? Honestly, I don't know... I just think the answer is far more complex than we think. 

You mentioned how Drake and Kanye made careers based on autotune. I think people give them passes because of the fact that they've been using it on pretty much all of their songs so people don't have a good idea what their voices sound like unedited whereas Madonna has only used it on her 21st century albums so I think people have given Madonna crap because they know what her voice sounds like without heavy editing and autotune. Also, I think it's more ageism than sexism since Madonna started using autotune in her 40s so people are probably thinking that she's using it to mask the fact that her voice has allegedly started to falter (oh, Madonna's getting older, she can't sing anymore that's why she needs to use autotune).  

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2 hours ago, Levon said:

Don't get me wrong: MX is a great album - and maybe her best since Ray of Light.

But it's not the album you recommend to friends who want to get to know Madonna.

Oh I absolutely agree with you here. I would never recommend MX if you want to get into her. Its super experimental and obscure. I’d recommend ROL, COADF or LAP

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3 hours ago, RebelMe said:

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that this is not the case. I bet she doesn't even know which rappers or singers are on those songs that has being played. Most of the time, I think, her kids (including her bf) bring that style to her attention and she let them play it as much as they want. Let's not forget that rap/hiphop is something that is only a big thing in the USA, so most of her fans do not care or don't identify with the genre. I know it has a background, where and why it's important for the community that it represent, but there's more ways to help and raise awareness to racism than playing songs that, most of the time, do not good for her. If she wants to fight against haters, racists, it's not by posting more hiphop songs, but doing it the right way, like putting music out there that are explicit about it. Doing a great song with African singers that are screaming to spread awareness. Giving voice to them, who on their own, would have never reached the level of audience that Madonna have. The only thing that we have from her, venturing into that style, is Champagne Rose, that is something atrocious. 

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her fans can say a lot of bizarre and racist comments on her Instagram, and they may not even be aware of it. But it’s disgusting. Yes, I think she likes to annoy the nay sayers by doing what they don’t want her to do, by posting the music they don’t like and wearing the grillz that she doesn’t like. And Madonna is no stranger to rap and hip hop music. Let’s not forget she was a big advocate of Eminem back in the day and a fan as well.

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