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[Guest Nobody Knows Me]

I read somewhere that Interscope even asked Marina to write for her and she turned it down when she found out it wasn’t Madonna who’d asked?

[Blue Prince 995]

11 hours ago, Danton said:

Madonna recalled Mirwais for Madame X because their previous collaboration was successful. It will be the same if Pat Léonard is called back to the rescue. She realizes that apart from her fans (who melt like snow in the sun) no one is interested in her. It's a shame because musically, I find her more interesting than ever. She explored new, daring sounds which had the merit of being original and interesting. Her problem is the image. Her success waned as her physical appearance altered from cosmetic surgery. Today that she no longer looks like anything and especially not Madonna the singer that everyone adored until the end of the 2000s, nobody is in her. No one can identify with her anymore. She has become a kind of extraterrestrial who disconcerts, amuses (in a bad sense) and cuts her off from the general public. She will be able to sing the best songs, no one wants to listen to or consider the productions of a star who was once adored but who ruined everything because of cosmetic surgery. I am not concerned even if I deplore her physical evolution. I'm still interested in her musically. I can't wait to hear innovative new songs. I am in the acquired fan category, the one who is always interested in spite of appearances

While there is some truth in that, cosmetic surgery isn't exactly the problem. Sometimes yes her face looks very puffy and not at all reminiscent to the woman we used to know but, had she done nothing at all to herself, she would have gotten the same backlash. The only reason she can sing bops like Faz Gostoso or Unapologetic Bitch is because she doesn't look or move like her age would suggest. So in this century where people idolize Kylie Jenner, whose face looks quite close to Madonna's age by now, I cannot accept that surgery or other intervention is what alienates people. I can't think of any woman at Madonna's age that sells as much as she does. She could have looked amazing like JLo who is younger, sure. JLo doesn't sell either. Cher had some minor success only connected to her film career. Madonna's success waned because she got old. Of course she could be selling a bit more with some better moves but I don't think anything about her is the problem. Judging from her peers, she is still on top of all. Europe by the way, a continent quite old demographically, still has a lot of respect for Madonna. South America loves her too. It's mostly the US that are always looking for the next it thing. 

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13 hours ago, Blue Prince said:

While there is some truth in that, cosmetic surgery isn't exactly the problem. Sometimes yes her face looks very puffy and not at all reminiscent to the woman we used to know but, had she done nothing at all to herself, she would have gotten the same backlash. The only reason she can sing bops like Faz Gostoso or Unapologetic Bitch is because she doesn't look or move like her age would suggest. So in this century where people idolize Kylie Jenner, whose face looks quite close to Madonna's age by now, I cannot accept that surgery or other intervention is what alienates people. I can't think of any woman at Madonna's age that sells as much as she does. She could have looked amazing like JLo who is younger, sure. JLo doesn't sell either. Cher had some minor success only connected to her film career. Madonna's success waned because she got old. Of course she could be selling a bit more with some better moves but I don't think anything about her is the problem. Judging from her peers, she is still on top of all. Europe by the way, a continent quite old demographically, still has a lot of respect for Madonna. South America loves her too. It's mostly the US that are always looking for the next it thing. 

I think Danton raised the real issue.

Sadly she became the caricature that people thought she would become with age
her mainstream image is now an old artist who has abused cosmetic surgery. A woman disconected, who no longer looks like herself, fucking a guy of her daughter's age.

During the Confessions era, everyone admired her. For the music but also for her hard-maintained appearance. She forced respect and yes, she was super sexy. She managed to be sexy without being vulgar 

I can't imagining her on promotion with the grillz, pink hair, donald's ass without being ridiculed, no matter what how good the music will be

[Blue Prince 995]

26 minutes ago, mouse said:

I think Danton raised the real issue.

Sadly she became the caricature that people thought she would become with age
her mainstream image is now an old artist who has abused cosmetic surgery. A woman disconected, who no longer looks like herself, fucking a guy of her daughter's age.

During the Confessions era, everyone admired her. For the music but also for her hard-maintained appearance. She forced respect and yes, she was super sexy. She managed to be sexy without being vulgar 

I can't imagining her on promotion with the grillz, pink hair, donald's ass without being ridiculed, no matter what how good the music will be

So let's see what she should be doing. She should have minimum interventions on her face and body, so she doesn't look like a caricature but she also looks as sexy as she was at 47, pretty easy yeah. Change her looks for her fans who want a queen of reinvention but also not change her hair color to pink or wear grills and also not wear any wigs because they are a safe cheap choice. Then she should date a man her age who looks like crap but of course his music is good and he is a man so he can afford to look like crap and never date a hot dancer she can get anytime because she looks desperate and because her fans are jealous they can't get a man like that. She should age gracefully and start wearing gowns and sing ballads but she should also give her other fans sexy bops and be disco queen again. The real issue I see is in fans' heads and expectations. Find a successful female artist her age who does all that and then tell Madonna to go take notes.

[Redha DBL 7,326]

15 hours ago, Danton said:

Madonna recalled Mirwais for Madame X because their previous collaboration was successful. It will be the same if Pat Léonard is called back to the rescue. She realizes that apart from her fans (who melt like snow in the sun) no one is interested in her. It's a shame because musically, I find her more interesting than ever. She explored new, daring sounds which had the merit of being original and interesting. Her problem is the image. Her success waned as her physical appearance altered from cosmetic surgery. Today that she no longer looks like anything and especially not Madonna the singer that everyone adored until the end of the 2000s, nobody is in her. No one can identify with her anymore. She has become a kind of extraterrestrial who disconcerts, amuses (in a bad sense) and cuts her off from the general public. She will be able to sing the best songs, no one wants to listen to or consider the productions of a star who was once adored but who ruined everything because of cosmetic surgery. I am not concerned even if I deplore her physical evolution. I'm still interested in her musically. I can't wait to hear innovative new songs. I am in the acquired fan category, the one who is always interested in spite of appearances

Absolutely spot on and very, very true. Now when i start talking about M with people (non fans) they immediately talk about her strange plastic face and how ridiculous she looks. And no, those people are not agist because when you mention Jane Fonda or other over 60's female celebrity who didn't abused plastuc procedures those same people are like "What a beautiful woman, she ages really well". I mean, seriously, none sane minded person can think this is right, it' s pure bad taste and trashy, there is nothing classy in those huge pornstar over bloated lips, that over filled face it looks like she has a fat mask over her real face, her eyes (which used to be huge) are now so tight and tiny she looks asian (and not in a good way), and i'm not even talking about the ridiculous Donal Duck fake ass... how could the most classy and intelligent female entertainer became such a plastic joke... i love her to the moon and back, but her platsic procedures are going way over board and she clearly starts to looks like Pete Burns. I mean the woman had a stunning face structure 

And no way she would have been horrible at 60yo. With just a few subtles touch up here and there she would have look absolutely gorgeous. Instead she ruined her physical to end up looking like that :  

56 minutes ago, mouse said:

I think Danton raised the real issue.

Sadly she became the caricature that people thought she would become with age
her mainstream image is now an old artist who has abused cosmetic surgery. A woman disconected, who no longer looks like herself, fucking a guy of her daughter's age.

During the Confessions era, everyone admired her. For the music but also for her hard-maintained appearance. She forced respect and yes, she was super sexy. She managed to be sexy without being vulgar 

I can't imagining her on promotion with the grillz, pink hair, donald's ass without being ridiculed, no matter what how good the music will be

Absolutely true and realistic. 

Now i will say it once and for good, like i've never said it before and no matter how much backlash i get for it :

if she doesn't stop all her non sense circus including : ridiculous plastic procedures (face, ass etc...), grills on a white 63 woman, dating publicly barely legal boys at 63 (yes i said it) she is finished. Simple as that. At that point, she damaged her grand public perception so much that i think the music don't even comes first anymore. To me she clearly lost her mind. Even her son, for God sake, her own son didn't want to live with her anymore. That says a lot. How many child around you do you know who chose to live with their father instead of their mother? Only those who's mother has serious issues. Do you put yourself in those kids shoes for a minute ? And you have a new step father every 3 years which is younger and younger everytime that the next one is almost your age. You can have the most luxious house of the world and as much money as you want that must be very disturbing. If my mother had acted that way when i was a teen for sure i would have left the house and started going the wrong way. 

Enough with seeing her as "Intouchable" juste because she is the woman i have all the records since i'm a child and she has made the soundtrack of my life. 

now start to attack me i am ready !

[Guest DeeperDeeper]

5 minutes ago, TonyMontana said:

now start to attack me i am ready !

No attacking stud. 

Thank you for your heart felt honesty Mr Montana. 

 

[Redha DBL 7,326]

3 minutes ago, Ashley said:

No attacking stud. 

Thank you for your heart felt honesty Mr Montana. 

 

Well i always speak my heart and when i'm as passionate it's because i love the person. Madonna is and will always be my fav singer ever, no matter what, but damn, this is fuckin difficult to see such a classy woman becoming the joke of the town by her own fault, again and again years after years...

[Danton 618]

5 minutes ago, TonyMontana said:

Absolutely spot on and very, very true. Now when i start talking about M with people (non fans) they immediately talk about her strange plastic face and how ridiculous she looks. And no, those people are not agist because when you mention Jane Fonda or other over 60's female celebrity who didn't abused plastuc procedures those same people are like "What a beautiful woman, she ages really well". I mean, seriously, none sane minded person can think this is right, it' s pure bad taste and trashy, there is nothing classy in those huge pornstar over bloated lips, that over filled face it looks like she has a fat mask over her real face, her eyes (which used to be huge) are now so tight and tiny she looks asian (and not in a good way), and i'm not even talking about the ridiculous Donal Duck fake ass... how could the most classy and intelligent female entertainer became such a plastic joke... i love her to the moon and back, but her platsic procedures are going way over board and she clearly starts to looks like Pete Burns. I mean the woman had a stunning face structure 

And no way she would have been horrible at 60yo. With just a few subtles touch up here and there she would have look absolutely gorgeous. Instead she ruined her physical to end up looking like that :  

Absolutely true and realistic. 

Now i will say it once and for good, like i've never said it before and no matter how much backlash i get for it :

if she doesn't stop all her non sense circus including : ridiculous plastic procedures (face, ass etc...), grills on a white 63 woman, dating publicly barely legal boys at 63 (yes i said it) she is finished. Simple as that. At that point, she damaged her grand public perception so much that i think the music don't even comes first anymore. To me she clearly lost her mind. Even her son, for God sake, her own son didn't want to live with her anymore. That says a lot. How many child around you do you know who chose to live with their father instead of their mother? Only those who's mother has serious issues. Do you put yourself in those kids shoes for a minute ? And you have a new step father every 3 years which is younger and younger everytime that the next one is almost your age. You can have the most luxious house of the world and as much money as you want that must be very disturbing. If my mother had acted that way when i was a teen for sure i would have left the house and started going the wrong way. 

Enough with seeing her as "Intouchable" juste because she is the woman i have all the records since i'm a child and she has made the soundtrack of my life. 

now start to attack me i am ready !

In my opinion she is already finished. She will not stop with the surgery, she is in a spiral of irreversible self-degradation, the sign of a sick mind. She is her worst enemy. She doesn't care if she is no longer successful, she naively sees it as a sign that her art has become radicalized and that she no longer works for the masses. I am art as complex as it is. She is all alone in her bubble around her gravitates opportunists who enjoy the luxury she offers them in the window and who dance around her to give her the illusion that her life is a party

[Guest DeeperDeeper]

7 minutes ago, Danton said:

 She is all alone in her bubble around her gravitates opportunists who enjoy the luxury she offers them in the window and who dance around her to give her the illusion that her life is a party

I actually think Lola and Rocco are acutely aware of this and know there's little they can do to stop it. 

 

 

[Redha DBL 7,326]

11 minutes ago, Danton said:

In my opinion she is already finished. She will not stop with the surgery, she is in a spiral of irreversible self-degradation, the sign of a sick mind. She is her worst enemy. She doesn't care if she is no longer successful, she naively sees it as a sign that her art has become radicalized and that she no longer works for the masses. I am art as complex as it is. She is all alone in her bubble around her gravitates opportunists who enjoy the luxury she offers them in the window and who dance around her to give her the illusion that her life is a party

Once again very spot on and i couldn't have said it better myself (sometilzs ot's frustrating because i cannot express myself how i want as english is not my natural language) so it's good when someone who speaks english better than me express precisely what i feel too.

[Redha DBL 7,326]

8 minutes ago, Ashley said:

I actually think Lola and Rocco are acutely aware of this and know there's little they can do to stop it. 

 

 

This, and to me it says a lot that both of them live far away from her most of the time. Don't get me wrong i'm not saying she a toxic person or anything, she's good at heart but so are those mothers of the world who are partying in leather pants every saturday night, dating their children best friends and then they wonder why their kids feel embarassed and run from the house as soon as they can because they love them with all their hearts... it tales more than love to raise children, stability is also important, especially with teenagers. We all have examples in our own families.

[Loki 227]

In psychiatry this behavior is called dysmorphophobia; it's quite common today due to the social media overexposure: people are always ready to judge your body, your face, so you begin to dislike yourself, even if you are pretty, because someone said you look like a monster. At the end you abuse of cosmetic surgery to please the society. I don't know if this is our case. I remember that, when Hung Up came out, all of mass media were amazed that a 47-years popstar released a dance bop instead of a ballad: some of them already started to call her 'old' and attack her for the age, the only thing she can't fight. Then lots of journalists began to criticize her body because it was too muscular. Finally, divorce arrived: perhaps it meant for her that she wasn't no longer interesting for someone, maybe she felt alone (it would explain why she's always surrounded by tons of people), what's sure is that divorce hitted her like a truck.

What I want to say is that probably she started to care too much about what people think of her, her body, her music, her age, although she pretends she doesn't, likely because she felt hurted by criticisms. She's never been a reassuring singer like Céline Dion, Mariah Carey& company, she can't even compare herself with current young, silly popstars who dominate the charts, because what made her what she is now is that she's always followed her path, no matter what.

I hope she'll let the character she's built during these years die: no more surgery, no more silly yes men. She can do it, nothing is lost forever: only this way she'll be really free to be herself.

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2020 by Loki (see edit history)

[ShantiAshtangi 257]

On 11/28/2020 at 4:53 PM, Glindathegood said:

She had always said many times that she doesn’t want to just sing with a band, that she would be bored with that. She was a dancer before she was a singer so to expect her to give up dancing is unrealistic. People say they just want her to sing but I think people would be disappointed if she just did that. At Rebel Heart, there were fans behind me who said I didn’t come here to hear her sing. 

But she became famous because she was a singer. There's no way her dancing would have brought her to the top. She was a singer first and foremost Look how little she toured until 2000. VT was only in the US, WTG-T and BAT were rather short tours compared to modern standards and GS hardly went to her core markets. She did very few TV-performances up to the mid 90s. People either saw her music videos (where she didn't dance that much) or heard her music on the radio. It was the music that appealed to the people first and foremost because that's what they had access to.

She also had a major comeback in the 90s because of her music. There was a ten-year period where she herself was all about her music and her song-writing. Where she would sit down with a guitar during a promo performance and sing. And then AL tanked and her marriage dissolved. And since then it seems she needs to perform like a maniac and prove people she's still capable of carrying a two hour circe du soleil on her shoulders.

If you have become a fan in the mid 90s like me that just seems alienating. ROL, Music, DWT, AL – it all seemed like a natural progression from BAT and Erotica. Since COADF, she just hasn't evolved. Neither musically nor artistically.

Madame X was the first time where it seemed she actually tried to do something new. I thought the trailers were very promising with this mysterious Madame X and her many incarnations. I expected a concept album with each song being linked to one of the many sides of Madame X. What we got was Madonna with an eye patch constantly repeating her Martha Graham-story (that was more a fairy tale than a story) in her few interviews and an album with a very mixed bag of songs and excessive use of autotune. I still have no idea who Madame X is and the songs on the album certainly didn't reveal anything about her.

[ShantiAshtangi 257]

On 12/1/2020 at 3:10 AM, madonafrk said:

I want another - Ray Of Light - like album! That would be amazing!!! I wish she would work with William Orbit again. 

Most of the songwriting on Ray Of Light was either handled by her and Pat Leonard or Rick Nowells People give Orbit too much credit for ROL. He did a great job at producing the songs (although he followed Pat Leonard's demos quite closely) but he's not a good song-writer.

[ShantiAshtangi 257]

On 12/1/2020 at 11:31 AM, steady75 said:

I hope a proper theatrical musician is in charge of the revisions of her hits if at all. If she Kevin Antunes the soundtrack somebody will need to hold my earrings. 

I can't believe no one ever told her how shitty his musical arrangements are. I mean she came from Stuart Price to him. Has she never realized how karaoke-ish most of his tour arrangements sound? Tears of a clown was particularly bad with her singing over the album versions of songs (including vocals). The only good tour arrangement he has cerated was Vogue in 2008, the rest were uninspired mash ups or versions with cheep drum loops.

[Shoful 8,552]

3 minutes ago, ShantiAshtangi said:

I can't believe no one ever told her huch shitty his musical arrangements are. I mean she came from Stuart Price to him. Has she never realized how karaoke-ish most of his tour arrangements sound? Tears of a clown was particularly bad with her singing over the album versions of songs (including vocals). The only good tour arrangement he has cerated was Vogue in 2008, the rest were uninspired mash ups or versions with cheep drum loops.

Whoever arranged the new Future tour version deserves credit though! That is a stellar track now

[Danton 618]

1 hour ago, TonyMontana said:

Once again very spot on and i couldn't have said it better myself (sometilzs ot's frustrating because i cannot express myself how i want as english is not my natural language) so it's good when someone who speaks english better than me express precisely what i feel too.

LOL i'm french and i use google translate to be more precise (which does not exempt me from errors) :o)

[Guest DeeperDeeper]

On 11/28/2020 at 11:53 PM, Glindathegood said:

 She has always been forward thinking. 

She had always said many times that she doesn’t want to just sing with a band, that she would be bored with that. 

She said that years ago and no tour since The Girlie Show has been ground breaking. 

Also the Madame X tour wasn't forward thinking, Kate Bush's Before the Dawn concert was forward thinking. Yet Madonna never bothered to look at work like that and then expand on it, oh no, she tried to cram a stadium concert into a theatre production. 

David Bowie - Madonna's idol, performed complete albums live and when you look at the MTV unplugged series, Madonna could certainly do something like and bring focus back to her music and back catalogue, along with introducing herself to a new generation. I can't see her being bored if she had the right musicians and production team. 

What's boring is the same people she's had around since 2007/2008. We do not need another Steven Klein backdrop for any of her shows. 

[Voguerista 11,798]

3 hours ago, TonyMontana said:

 

now start to attack me i am ready !

I wuvvvv you and your posts,Tony...and that's whether if I agree or disagree!! Keep them coming!!!

[steady75 9,570]

2 hours ago, Ashley said:

She said that years ago and no tour since The Girlie Show has been ground breaking. 

Also the Madame X tour wasn't forward thinking, Kate Bush's Before the Dawn concert was forward thinking. Yet Madonna never bothered to look at work like that and then expand on it, oh no, she tried to cram a stadium concert into a theatre production. 

David Bowie - Madonna's idol, performed complete albums live and when you look at the MTV unplugged series, Madonna could certainly do something like and bring focus back to her music and back catalogue, along with introducing herself to a new generation. I can't see her being bored if she had the right musicians and production team. 

What's boring is the same people she's had around since 2007/2008. We do not need another Steven Klein backdrop for any of her shows. 

I’m pretty sure Madonna went to watch Kate at the Hammersmith Apollo to be fair. 

[steady75 9,570]

I think apart from the 2007 face lift most of the work she has had done is superficial. Injections and fillers and stuff so it’s not a Jackson situation where she is altering her bone structure and cartilage.

The severity of the cheeks that are seemingly wider than her actual face now is a bit odd though. I’m not sure you can achieve that with fillers. I don’t know. 
 

Its her face and a womans agency is important and must be respected. If I trusted that she was doing it without any dark thoughts I’d be happy for her. I just think there’s more going on. 
Awww ... my mom. My heart x 

#freebritney vibes

[luluthecat 1,111]

2 hours ago, Ashley said:

She said that years ago and no tour since The Girlie Show has been ground breaking. 

Also the Madame X tour wasn't forward thinking, Kate Bush's Before the Dawn concert was forward thinking. Yet Madonna never bothered to look at work like that and then expand on it, oh no, she tried to cram a stadium concert into a theatre production. 

David Bowie - Madonna's idol, performed complete albums live and when you look at the MTV unplugged series, Madonna could certainly do something like and bring focus back to her music and back catalogue, along with introducing herself to a new generation. I can't see her being bored if she had the right musicians and production team. 

What's boring is the same people she's had around since 2007/2008. We do not need another Steven Klein backdrop for any of her shows. 

Madame X didn't feel like a stadium show crammed into a theatre at all IMO. 

[steady75 9,570]

No it felt like a school play 

[NowRadiate 3,331]

19 minutes ago, steady75 said:

I’m pretty sure Madonna went to watch Kate at the Hammersmith Apollo to be fair. 

I‘m not sure she did. She would have been seen and mentioned. Annie Lennox was, for example.

[luluthecat 1,111]

12 minutes ago, steady75 said:

No it felt like a school play 

wwwhhhhhhhaaaaatttt????? Oh my god. I thought it was incredible.