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Madonna's Fame & Numbers...

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Took a look at Madonna's monthly listeners and streaming numbers on Spotify, and then compared with those of other artists such as Beyoncé, Coldplay, Eminem, Michael Jackson and so on. Madonna's are way too low considering her stature. Why aren't people streaming her more? (Yeah. She did lose some fans over politics, but still... So did Eminem, and it's not affecting him.) Hopefully, these old maxi-single releases and Mo's upcoming biopic will stimulate new interest in her.

Also... There are some collabs Mo should have released as singles: IconicBeat Goes On, Faz Gostoso. Yes, she needs adult contemporary stuff but collabs too. May look desperate to some, but she needs them. She just needs to make sure they be released as singles, videoed and successful.  Crave should have been huge. Future had quite some potential. She should team up w/ Miley Cyrus again or Billie Eilish maybe or Drake again or Megan Thee Stallion or Justin Bieber whoever else and really make sure the song is massively played and a hit! I don't understand why it couldn't happen.

Yes, she'll have to collaborate a lot more w/ youngsters and older successful acts too. By the way, Madonna is not like everybody. She'll always embrace her youth—she's ageless, timeless like Marilyn Monroe.

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It's all the labels and PR work and also M's lack of interest; Eminem and his label have been on top of paid stream payola and his constant presence on playlists for example

It's not about who she teams up with artistically and not up to the quality of M's music either

these days big promo ads and paid placements and media/websites paid articles is all that matters specially when it counts to streams

big marketing will make people believe they'd want anything they throw at them

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56 minutes ago, Voguerista said:

@Ianand @Shofulso true. I just think her promotional team is awful anymore...which is really sad.

Agreed. It is crazy to see how much she dropped in popularity after Hard Candy. She keeps contributing it to ageism. I mean it partially is but at 50 she still was smashing. It’s cause MDNA and her attitude was her downfall. Then so many missteps since. Madame X was never supposed to be a return to commercial success but at least we got the Artist back which was lacking since 2008

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"She should team up w/ Miley Cyrus again or Billie Eilish maybe or Drake again or Megan Thee Stallion or Justin Bieber"

:Madonna051:

It didn't work with Minaj (twice), M.I.A., Swae Lee, Lil Wayne, Kanye, Chance the Rapper, Quavo, Maluma... Why would it work now?

I could argue that every collab she did with non-pop artists backfired big time because her fan base didn't like it and the other artist public couldn't care less about her. Enough with this "cool-urban-of the moment" collab, it's been 10 years and 4 albums cicles already.

Madonna should team up with POP artists and with that try to remember people why she's (used to be) the best. She had the chance with an invitation from Dua Lipa and didn't do anything with it. Madonna's ego is too big to stand side by side with somebody that's from her own field, only God knows how Britney managed to do it, but it's never going to happen with Beyoncé, Rihanna, Dua Lipa, Kylie, Gaga...

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11 hours ago, Arckangel said:

Took a look at Madonna's monthly listeners and streaming numbers on Spotify, and then compared with those of other artists such as Beyoncé, Coldplay, Eminem, Michael Jackson and so on. Madonna's are way too low considering her stature. Why aren't people streaming her more? (Yeah. She did lose some fans over politics, but still... So did Eminem, and it's not affecting him.) Hopefully, these old maxi-single releases and Mo's upcoming biopic will stimulate new interest in her.

Also... There are some collabs Mo should have released as singles: IconicBeat Goes On, Faz Gostoso. Yes, she needs adult contemporary stuff but collabs too. May look desperate to some, but she needs them. She just needs to make sure they are released as singles, videoed and successful.  Crave should have been huge. Future had quite some potential. She should team up w/ Miley Cyrus again or Billie Eilish maybe or Drake again or Megan Thee Stallion or Justin Bieber whoever else and really make sure the song is massively played and a hit! I don't understand why it couldn't happen.

Yes, she'll have to collaborate a lot more w/ youngsters and older successful acts too. By the way, Madonna is not like everybody. She'll always embrace her youth—she's ageless, timeless like Marilyn Monroe.

You make really interesting points there. In summary, she needs proper hits, and yes, that’s also about marketing.

I am not sure she needs the names you mentioned. She doesn’t even need many people. The songs written in the past had a „Madonna-feel“, but they are almost nowhere to be found since 2007. She needs new Madonna classics.

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A big and dynamic career like M's cannot stay on top forever. Sure, numbers count (LOL) but they're not only the defining point of her success and presence in people's minds. If she did more collaborations with hip singers, she would be more visible on Spotify and al. ok. Do you really want her to hook up with every other artist for the sake of being number one? She's been number one for decades, I really believe she doesn't care anymore. She's turning into a legacy act, and that doesn't make her irrelevant or unable to reinvent herself again and make a huge hit ever after. The movie is a very smart move to embrace it. Look at how The Rolling Stones, U2, Cher, etc. manage their fame. On a marketing point of view, they're music A-list celebrities and brands, Spotify numbers are not that important. 

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And she has had classics since 05. 4 Minutes is a hit with plenty around my age (23). I know some younger still remember GMAYL (as the Super Bowl song but still). It’s with Rebel Heart the public’s knowledge spins out completely (BIM is a classic whether you want to admit and Ghosttown is gorgeous). Madame X has plenty to offer as classics but not to the general public. But does that matter anymore? Better than being known for two albums of ABBA covers.  

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Every major star has their zenith - Madonna has simply outlived hers. People will always know who she is, but her success has decreased because that what happens when artists get older - they lose their relevance. Setting her up with teeny boppers is not going to increase her popularity; if it hasn't so far, it's not going to.

 

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5 hours ago, NowRadiate said:

You make really interesting points there. In summary, she needs proper hits, and yes, that’s also about marketing.

I am not sure she needs the names you mentioned. She doesn’t even need many people. The songs written in the past had a „Madonna-feel“, but they are almost nowhere to be found since 2007. She needs new Madonna classics.

It's never been done before by a woman her age, no woman in history has even charted on the Hot 100 singles chart at 62

 

Why are we holding Madonna to an impossible standard?

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3 hours ago, Mp1992 said:

It's never been done before by a woman her age, no woman in history has even charted on the Hot 100 singles chart at 62

 

Why are we holding Madonna to an impossible standard?

Didn’t Tina Turner still chart around 60? She charted wirh Open Arms in 2004 and was born  1939.

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13 minutes ago, NowRadiate said:

Didn’t Tina Turner still chart around 60?

Her last Hot 100 hit was at age 56. Dolly is the oldest at age 59 but she was a featured artist. As the lead artist, Madonna and Tina are tied for oldest at 56 at the time of the releases of their respective singles. Tina however is the oldest one to chart as a lead with no featured artists as Madonna had Nicki on BIM.

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I blame in part the departure from Warners for the decline in chart success - I think we would have seen more polished better made albums with MDNA and Rebel Heart, better choices of singles, better choice of remixers and stronger promotion to radio, club DJs and so on

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Then again, I personally do not necessarily define a “hit song” by its chart performance. (It’s about streams now anyway.) Great songs are great songs no matter the performance, and unfortunately, I feel that type of quality has decreased with time (,which is a matter of taste. Some people think Madame X contains genius music).

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1 hour ago, Husam Elzien said:

Her last Hot 100 hit was at age 56. Dolly is the oldest at age 59 but she was a featured artist. As the lead artist, Madonna and Tina are tied for oldest at 56 at the time of the releases of their respective singles. Tina however is the oldest one to chart as a lead with no featured artists as Madonna had Nicki on BIM.

Madonna is the oldest with BIM, just weeks shy of her 57th birthday

 

Madonna, Tina, Cher and Streisand are the only over 50 female artists to score a top 10 hit on the Billboard Hot 100

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9 hours ago, Mp1992 said:

Madonna is the oldest with BIM, just weeks shy of her 57th birthday

 

Madonna, Tina, Cher and Streisand are the only over 50 female artists to score a top 10 hit on the Billboard Hot 100

not quite correct, Rockin' around the xmas tree managed to hit #2 on the BBH100 but that's just because of the changes they made on the chart , that happened last year I believe when she hit 74

the thing is it was with an old song, new chart rules and with a xmas classic , unlike what happened with M, Cher and Tina who scored hits with current singles back then

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