DanK 9,162 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues said: This isn't some simple fake AI HD remaster. This is from the original tapes. Actually it is an A.I. HD upscale, from the SD master. Confessions Lightside, Pirilor and anton5000 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues 1,230 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Just now, DanK said: Actually it is an A.I. HD upscale, from the SD master. Are we sure? Usually those AI HD upscales don't really increase the quality and videos look like shiny plastic. This isn't it. realityisalways, milingo83 and Frank 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBicycle 602 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Oh wow, beautiful. This is so much better than what I have on DVD. Unbelievable. Looks like it could have been made yesterday. Madonna is the greatest, a pioneer, revolutionary, amazing. I love her! realityisalways and Roy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityisalways 4,011 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Wow you can actually tell its a wig. now, couldnt see that before. Roy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityisalways 4,011 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Can someone explain the inspiration behind this video? Like why are the people in white shown like if they had mental issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milingo83 7,159 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 36 minutes ago, realityisalways said: Wow you can actually tell its a wig. now, couldnt see that before. Is not a wig, sorry. Blue Jean 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanK 9,162 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 44 minutes ago, Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues said: Are we sure? Yes, definitely. The master is SD (Beta or ProRes), and that's the one they used for this upscale. 45 minutes ago, Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues said: Usually those AI HD upscales don't really increase the quality and videos look like shiny plastic. This isn't it. No, many A.I. upscales look great and don't have that horrible plastic/waxy effect. It's just that this forum (among others) has been invaded by such awful plastic-looking upscales this last year. But that doesn't reflect what A.I. upscaling technologies can do. For instance, it's easy to obtain better results when upscaling the NRM video than what's just been posted on Madonna's YT channel. Because honestly, while FROZEN was a great upscale, this one is rather bad. The whites are burned, the colours are all wrong, definition isn't great, the "plastic effect"is ever present.... From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : anton5000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hzmajesty 341 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Anybody else waiting for the token comparison video? :-D Roy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityisalways 4,011 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 34 minutes ago, DanK said: Yes, definitely. The master is SD (Beta or ProRes), and that's the one they used for this upscale. No, many A.I. upscales look great and don't have that horrible plastic/waxy effect. It's just that this forum (among others) has been invaded by such awful plastic-looking upscales this last year. But that doesn't reflect what A.I. upscaling technologies can do. For instance, it's easy to obtain better results when upscaling the NRM video than what's just been posted on Madonna's YT channel. Because honestly, while FROZEN was a great upscale, this one is rather bad. The whites are burned, the colours are all wrong, definition isn't great, the "plastic effect"is ever present.... From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : I prefer the official one, the fan made one looks orange Blue Jean, Frank, Roy and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy 7,611 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, hzmajesty said: Anybody else waiting for the token comparison video? :-D Coming up! Frank, hzmajesty and realityisalways 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voguerista 11,738 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just stunning! Suedehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathproof 10,555 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 hours ago, realityisalways said: I prefer the official one, the fan made one looks orange Yeah the fan made looks horrible!! It’s very dark, and kinda brown. Why? Shoful, Frank, Tomasz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piksel8 619 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 4 hours ago, DanK said: Yes, definitely. The master is SD (Beta or ProRes), and that's the one they used for this upscale. No, many A.I. upscales look great and don't have that horrible plastic/waxy effect. It's just that this forum (among others) has been invaded by such awful plastic-looking upscales this last year. But that doesn't reflect what A.I. upscaling technologies can do. For instance, it's easy to obtain better results when upscaling the NRM video than what's just been posted on Madonna's YT channel. Because honestly, while FROZEN was a great upscale, this one is rather bad. The whites are burned, the colours are all wrong, definition isn't great, the "plastic effect"is ever present.... From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : From Madonna's YT : Fan-made version (WIP) : Does anyone have the SD master of NRM? I've been looking for it here and I couldn't find it, all we have is the DVD vobs Confessions Lightside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITG 3,321 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 It's delicious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jean 15,114 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I prefer the official one over the fan upscale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justify My Candy 468 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 i hope the rest of her videos are in this quality til celebration Voguerista 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy 7,611 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 9 hours ago, proxy said: Here is the comparison video, people! Frank, Voguerista, Ian and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUADJAI 14,905 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 It's literally pop perfection... Roy and Frank 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 42,385 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 It looks AMAZING. The Q is stunning, she looks gorgeous!!!!! Keep 'em coming!!!! <3 Prayer, Voguerista and Roy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlittler81 1,601 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 7 hours ago, realityisalways said: Can someone explain the inspiration behind this video? Like why are the people in white shown like if they had mental issues? I remember hearing something about white and red blood cells back in the day but it’s always been a mystery to me. Maybe it’s just a visual thing and actually has no meaning? Confessions Lightside and Roy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prayer 14,275 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, rlittler81 said: I remember hearing something about white and red blood cells back in the day but it’s always been a mystery to me. Maybe it’s just a visual thing and actually has no meaning? She was speaking in interviews at the time how she felt she is like a modern geisha, entertaining people, privileged but trapped in her "box" at the same time. The box thing is super explicit in the video, of course. Also I found this article from the time: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1999/2/26/the-video-nothing-really-matters-pbnbothing/ It's maybe reading too much into it but some parts are accurate? She is trapped within her corridor, without the least privacy, but she is free to perform. And like the postmodern icon she is, Madonna tells us in "Nothing really matters" that her whole career has been a matter of performing on cue. -> not the message at all haha -> nothing really matters cause love is all we need "Want me to smile?" she asks. "Want me to bitch? Want me to soften up? Want me to be a mom?" I hate that "being a mom" is seen here as another career movement, but... rlittler81 and Voguerista 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanK 9,162 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 4 hours ago, deathproof said: Yeah the fan made looks horrible!! It’s very dark, and kinda brown. Why? That's actually the original real tint and constrast of the video, cf. the master. Confessions Lightside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nito84bcn 2,734 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 13 hours ago, rlittler81 said: Love this video! Did anyone ever figure what it was supposed to be about??? Hope the remixes follow!!! It was like a modern twist to La Isla Bonita video. There are 2 Madonnas, the funny and crazy one, and the spiritual instrospective one. They can't last without the other one, but at same time separated in different environments. 'When I was very young, nothing really mattered to me'. It's like a fight between the 2 characters, but at the same time they complement each other. Water (water bags) is an element that appears a lot in Memoirs of a Geisha book, as a symbol of transformation an reinvention. Fantastic video! Roy, RUADJAI, Voguerista and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steady75 9,566 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 My understanding of the video is that Madonna is inside the wooden box. That’s why it’s moving a bit and the scenes she’s has filmed in the red geisha outfit look like she is inside a dark box. Representing her limited view of the world before motherhood. I’m not sure what the things are that are attached to the box but maybe they are viewing holes or something. The plastic bag containing the water is almost cradled like a child. The bag represents the womb and amniotic fluid. A drowned world. Child birth and rebirth. The jerky movements were a dance craze called the Jerk. Maybe also reminiscent of the movements of new born creatures or someone receiving an electric shock... resuscitation and coming back to life. The panting on the back is a ritual Geishas used to do. To do this they used to have two mirrors. Possibly representing Madonna having a new view of herself that she never gets to see or got to see before. The geisha is of course a respected entertainer in Japanese culture. This also has connotations of being respected but also there to serve and secondary to the man. Roy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDRA 4,222 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 hours ago, DanK said: That's actually the original real tint and constrast of the video, cf. the master. Of course it is, but you'll find that most people prefer the new one, it's just more saturated and bright without looking over-saturated or too bright imo. Confessions Lightside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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