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14 minutes ago, MPowered said:

I think the Gambler one might come from the 2009 Celebration remastering sessions.

Interesting. I guess this is possible. The extended dance mix and the instrumental remix have both only previously been on vinyl though right? I'm curious to hear what sources these came from and if they are at the same speed as the 7".

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I don't think it has anything to do with the "Celebration" remastering sessions, honestly.

First, probably "Gambler" wasn't even back to Warner yet in 2009? According to the 35 years US copyright law, the song master must have reverted back to Madonna in 2020 and then it became part of the whole new Warner deal?

Second, both "Everybody" and "Gambler" digital singles are available in Hi-Res Audio:

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"Celebration" isn't:

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And this is where my little shitty "investigation" ends xD

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1 hour ago, Prayer said:

I don't think it has anything to do with the "Celebration" remastering sessions, honestly.

First, probably "Gambler" wasn't even back to Warner yet in 2009? According to the 35 years US copyright law, the song master must have reverted back to Madonna in 2020 and then it became part of the whole new Warner deal?

Second, both "Everybody" and "Gambler" digital singles are available in Hi-Res Audio.

As I've said, I think these are new digital transfers from the original reels. 

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1 hour ago, Prayer said:

I don't think it has anything to do with the "Celebration" remastering sessions, honestly.

First, probably "Gambler" wasn't even back to Warner yet in 2009? According to the 35 years US copyright law, the song master must have reverted back to Madonna in 2020 and then it became part of the whole new Warner deal?

Where did this idea that Gambler wasn't Warner's to begin with come from though? Warner is credited on all original 1985 labels. Only the B-side, not performed by M, is credited to Geffen, as is the case with Crazy For You releases. Unless I'm missing something? :)

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3 minutes ago, kesiak said:

Where did this idea that Gambler wasn't Warner's to begin with come from though? Warner is credited on all original 1985 labels. Only the B-side, not performed by M is credited to Geffen, like in the case for Crazy For You. Unless I'm missing something?

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You're totally right, my fault.

Looks like Geffen just licensed them from Warner for the movie soundtrack, then? And released and distributed the soundtrack and both singles.

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Well if were getting distorted remasters it's obvious it's not being done by a Mastering Engineer. Thats the WHOLE POINT of Mastering!!!  Most likely they are AI Remasters unfortunately. 

CAPITALISM. 

 

At this point, I don't see the point of having a record label anymore. They don't properly remaster, they don't properly promote stuff, they don't pay for music videos, they aren't good at getting radio play... 

 

I mean maaaaaaybe Mike Dean fucked it up again, but there should be like at least 3 more people who have to OK something IMHO before something goes live. Hell, I dont know, maybe Guy Oseary could listen to what his biggest cash cow artist is releasing. 

 

OK rant over. I haven't even heard Gambler yet. 🫣

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It's better remastered than Everybody. I enjoyed listening to it.

Regarding the record labels from the original release, bare in mind that Vision Quest, the movie, was produced & distributed by Warner Brothers film division, the soundtrack however ended up on Geffen which is weird. 

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To be honest I didn't like this reissue: it's too loud. I prefer the version that was released with La isla Bonita single. On the other hand, with the relaunch of Gambler, the chances of Madonna singing it live on the new 2023 Tour are once again gaining strength. Gambler is one of Madonna's songs little known by the general public (and some "fans") because the song was never part of some of her albums or her compilations but the song is so catchy and beautiful that it is not necessary to be published on an official album so that people end up falling in love with its contagious rhythm that you like so much the first time you listen to it.

I hope that Gambler is part of the setlist of the new tour and if it is not like that and Madonna comes to sing in my country in Latin America, I will take care of convincing people to ask for it loudly and I am sure that due to the insistence of the public Madonna will end up singing it after so many years of not doing it and we will end up being the envy of other countries that will not have the happiness of having Madonna sing such a beautiful song for them. Something similar to what happened with Take a Bow in Asia where Madonna decided to sing it live after so many years due to the screams of the audience. And That's what I hope to achieve with Gambler as well.

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1 hour ago, kesiak said:

Where did this idea that Gambler wasn't Warner's to begin with come from though? Warner is credited on all original 1985 labels. Only the B-side, not performed by M, is credited to Geffen, as is the case with Crazy For You releases. Unless I'm missing something? :)

 

Warner Bros. Inc was name of the film company, (they made the movie), not the record label which was Warner Bros. Records Inc. Both Madonna's songs were originally owned by the film company after Sire allowed her to appear on the soundtrack but the two songs were not part of her Sire contract.

Remember the copyright blurb on original versions of The Immaculate Collection and Something To Remember was all '℗19XX Sire Records Company' except one  '℗1985 Warner Bros. Inc.' which was for Crazy For You.  

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Gambler was featured on more than one Madonna / Warner Bros. Records / Sire releases. So whatever the agreement was it is not new. Probably it was sorted with Crazy for You back in the 80's when both songs appeared on the La Isla Bonita Club Mix.

Back in the 80's Geffen was under Warner Bros. Records just like Sire. Same company, different labels. 

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1 hour ago, RUADJAI said:

Well if were getting distorted remasters it's obvious it's not being done by a Mastering Engineer. Thats the WHOLE POINT of Mastering!!!  Most likely they are AI Remasters unfortunately. 

CAPITALISM. 

 

At this point, I don't see the point of having a record label anymore. They don't properly remaster, they don't properly promote stuff, they don't pay for music videos, they aren't good at getting radio play... 

 

I mean maaaaaaybe Mike Dean fucked it up again, but there should be like at least 3 more people who have to OK something IMHO before something goes live. Hell, I dont know, maybe Guy Oseary could listen to what his biggest cash cow artist is releasing. 

 

OK rant over. I haven't even heard Gambler yet. 🫣

That’s not accurate. AI mastering can ruin a file in many ways but they never ever introduce distortion like this. 
These are clearly made by a person. 
The mastering overall is not bad at a normal volume but then it was cranked up way more than it should have been and that distorts the track in places.

The 7” version is not terrible, almost passable. But man the remixes are making my ears bleed.

My suggestion is that tomorrow, when it’s properly released, everyone go on Twitter and notify Rhino of this mess. Otherwise it’s gonna keep happening 

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9 minutes ago, thegoldencalf said:

That’s not accurate. AI mastering can ruin a file in many ways but they never ever introduce distortion like this. 
These are clearly made by a person. 
The mastering overall is not bad at a normal volume but then it was cranked up way more than it should have been and that distorts the track in places.

The 7” version is not terrible, almost passable. But man the remixes are making my ears bleed.

My suggestion is that tomorrow, when it’s properly released, everyone go on Twitter and notify Rhino of this mess. Otherwise it’s gonna keep happening 

Not to rain on your parade but I don’t think they will do anything about it even if Rhino gets notified of such audio mess.

They have yet to correct the glitchy popping and clicking sounds throughout “Music” on the Celebration compilation album. I always skip that song when streaming it on Apple Music.

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19 minutes ago, rgdlee said:

Not to rain on your parade but I don’t think they will do anything about it even if Rhino gets notified of such audio mess.

They have yet to correct the glitchy popping and clicking sounds throughout “Music” on the Celebration compilation album. I always skip that song when streaming it on Apple Music.

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They’ve been pretty good about fan feedback lately 

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The Gambler release is significant because it’s actually the first 80’s vinyl only single that has been released in full format. The Everybody release was very specifically for the 40th release of her first ever singles and it’s  not comprehensive just a digital version of the rsd release. 
This gives me some hope that the rest of her 80’s singles will be released like this in the lead up to their albums re editions.

I still believe we are getting Erotica 30 first personally. I’m expecting an announcement soon 

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11 minutes ago, steady75 said:

The Gambler release is significant because it’s actually the first 80’s vinyl only single that has been released in full format. The Everybody release was very specifically for the 40th release of her first ever singles and it’s  not comprehensive just a digital version of the rsd release. 
This gives me some hope that the rest of her 80’s singles will be released like this in the lead up to their albums re editions.

I still believe we are getting Erotica 30 first personally. I’m expecting an announcement soon 

With everything going on since Madonna and Warner's reunion, we have been given so much treats! The digital singles, the HD remastered videos (now done properly), FEL50 and GAMBLER... mama's keeping us full. :D

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13 minutes ago, Roy said:

With everything going on since Madonna and Warner's reunion, we have been given so much treats! The digital singles, the HD remastered videos (now done properly), FEL50 and GAMBLER... mama's keeping us full. :D

Agree with this ! Everyone needs to chill I listened to my gambler vinyl today and it sounds distorted too so it’s probably just the track 🤷🏻‍♂️

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1 hour ago, rgdlee said:

Not to rain on your parade but I don’t think they will do anything about it even if Rhino gets notified of such audio mess.

They have yet to correct the glitchy popping and clicking sounds throughout “Music” on the Celebration compilation album. I always skip that song when streaming it on Apple Music.

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You must have better headphones than me.  It sounds fine to me, at least on the cd rip and Amazon.

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The copyright in Gambler has always been owned by Warners (but not Sire). That’s why Japan got it on La Isla Bonita Super Mix, then Australia a few years later, and then the world on the RSD vinyl. The rumours that it wasn’t owned by them was started by fans who wanted an excuse as to why the song wasn’t widely available. The only reason it became so rare was because Madonna never chose it for any of her greatest hits albums. But now there is a reason to re-release it as Warners have a new deal that focuses solely on her back catalog. 
 

I’m wondering if we can find out what the deal is with Santa Baby. That’s the only one (along with Sidewalk Talk) that doesn’t seem to be owned by Warners. It barely gets any recognition each Christmas. It needs a stand-alone single release. 

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