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28 minutes ago, Ayham said:

Vocally, well she’s not the best singer since the beginning so I don’t find it a problem lol! 😁

What I meant is that if the show is less focused on dancing, it probably has to rely more on music. But this would mean she has to work on her voice. Unless she does a comedy act :laughing:

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10 minutes ago, Enrico said:

What I meant is that if the show is less focused on dancing, it probably has to rely more on music. But this would mean she has to work on her voice. Unless she does a comedy act :laughing:

We know her idea of comedy stinks 😅

Maybe Enrico you could create a separate thread to discuss the current form of her voice? :)

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4 hours ago, Enrico said:

I find it funny that you've been talking pages about movements, slowing down, ass, surgery and no one ever talks about voice. She didn't have vocal folds surgery, yet she sings less and less.

A new formula with less choreo would mean more attention to music, vocals, arrangement and instrumentation - which would be great for me - but she doesn't seem interested in taking this direction. Her voice is getting weak (as proven by a few lines sung partly live in Celebration) and she seems less confident about her voice. This is my first concern. If she focused more on singing she could deliver fantastic shows with less dancing but with her absolutely remarkable stage presence.

Red Rooster boo. Red Rooster.

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10 minutes ago, Enrico said:

What I meant is that if the show is less focused on dancing, it probably has to rely more on music. But this would mean she has to work on her voice. Unless she does a comedy act :laughing:

Got it… 🫢🤭 then she better prepare her stand-up comedy tour as a celebration for her 40 years career! 😎😅🤣💀

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1 hour ago, Ayham said:

Vocally, well she’s not the best singer since the beginning so I don’t find it a problem lol! 😁

A singer always have to work on his her voice, always, not matter if they are on tour or recording or not. It´s their job, it´s their instrument. There was a time she really took great care of her voice and it showed: ROL album, Evita, , You´ll seeTime Stood still, Hey you live, some tours where she souded very very good ...A fabulous singer when she wants, when she tries, in my opinion.

 

I prefer this voice over Celine´s, Maríah´s and Gaga´s anyday. A pity she does not believe sometimes in her own talents, it seems..the world has always loved her voice, ergo she is the best selling female singer ever globally. So why not caring about her voice, vocals and live peformances? 

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35 minutes ago, Drownedboy said:

A singer always have to work on his her voice, always, not matter if they are on tour or recording or not. It´s their job, it´s their instrument. There was a time she really took great care of her voice and it showed: ROL album, Evita, , You´ll seeTime Stood still, Hey you live, some tours where she souded very very good ...A fabulous singer when she wants, when she tries, in my opinion.

 

I prefer this voice over Celine´s, Maríah´s and Gaga´s anyday. A pity she does not believe sometimes in her own talents, it seems..the world has always loved her voice, ergo she is the best selling female singer ever globally. So why not caring about her voice, vocals and live peformances? 

True, was just referring that she’s not the best singer in terms of vocals. For me also she got this dreamy angelic voice! Such a shame her raw voice can’t be found on her albums anymore… I feel she’s careless when it comes to keeping her voice trained! Also drinking ALOT of alcohol will make everything worse!

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28 minutes ago, thiagosb said:

When I read the comments in this Forum, I really cannot believe that we are the same gay people who out there in the world are advocating for inclusion and woman rights, fighting against body shaming and ageism, looking for compassion and empathy. It really shocks me how judgemental and mean gay men can be. 

I don't think all of us are advocating for those things and it shows. Go have a read in the jozzy thread if you want to see some gay right-wing bigots

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1 hour ago, thiagosb said:

When I read the comments in this Forum, I really cannot believe that we are the same gay people who out there in the world are advocating for inclusion and woman rights, fighting against body shaming and ageism, looking for compassion and empathy. It really shocks me how judgemental and mean gay men can be. 

Judgmental people are everywhere, also in community of Madonna fans, it's sad because she fights so much for people to express themself as they want, I always thought that M fans learn something from her, guess not. 

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6 hours ago, Enrico said:

I find it funny that you've been talking pages about movements, slowing down, ass, surgery and no one ever talks about voice. She didn't have vocal folds surgery, yet she sings less and less.

A new formula with less choreo would mean more attention to music, vocals, arrangement and instrumentation - which would be great for me - but she doesn't seem interested in taking this direction. Her voice is getting weak (as proven by a few lines sung partly live in Celebration) and she seems less confident about her voice. This is my first concern. If she focused more on singing she could deliver fantastic shows with less dancing but with her absolutely remarkable stage presence.

Totally agree. 

Her voice has deteriorated quite a bit because she hasn't taken care of it for quite a while, at the Sticky and Sweet Tour she was constantly screaming and shrieking... but with a little attention and study she could easily do good vocal performances, she has proven this several times. Now her technical errors are obvious.

I, too, am a singer, and I know that her biggest vocal problems could be corrected in a short time. I think she does not need surgery and I think she has had phoniatric visits.

But what she does is constantly relying on autotune in live performances or just lip syncing... She doesn't care about her voice. And by the way she doesn't even mime well, she gets the timing wrong, the words wrong and often forgets to sing when hert vocals are there.

Her dancing is a bit clumsy (it's much better here, though) and she loses her breath rapidly, I wish too she would limit it to less movements that are more studied and compatible with her current physical abilities and take more interest in music.

We can't ask her to do more with her movements, because she is human and she is getting old, she has had so many physical problems.
But we can demand that she be a decent singer.

She was never incredibly good, but she was always a decent singer. From the 1990s to the early 2000s (until 2006) she always sang fairly well. 
From 2000 to 2003 she had a magnificent voice. I remember how good her voice was on the American Life Primo Tour, it was obvious she was continuing her vocal training.

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17 minutes ago, Frank said:

Already working on my version of the show montage. Doing my best with the footage we got so far, using footage from here and there that i've been searching for these two days, mostly original sources as u already know those r the ones i prefer to work with, not reposted or retweeted stuff. I didn't do any kind of montage with the full performances because those full videos are really good so i kept them in full as they r without intertwining any other footage in between the song. But that's just my choice. And also, i didn't do anything with the audio. So u'll find different audios and volumes, if anyone wants to play with the audio and try to make it sound the same all over the montage that'd be great. I think some Bob The Drag Queen footage is missing, but, well... And i ended up placing JML Violet performance just before Hung Up because u can see her leaving the stage left side right before Hung Up starts. So It goes: IDSIF intro, some Bob footage, Vogue, JML, Hung Up, the speech, drags and Saucy, Material Girl, Bob, Celebration, Holiday and some Honey Dijon footage in the end.

According to Madonna encyclopedia 

this was the setlist:

I Don't Search I Find - Video Montage

Justify My Love

Vogue

Open Your Heart 

Hung Up 

Like a Prayer 

Bitch I'm Madonna 

Material Girl 

Celebration 

Holiday - Outro

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4 minutes ago, Angelo said:

According to Madonna encyclopedia 

this was the setlist:

I Don't Search I Find - Video Montage

Justify My Love

Vogue

Open Your Heart 

Hung Up 

Like a Prayer 

Bitch I'm Madonna 

Material Girl 

Celebration 

Holiday - Outro

oh shit. XDDDD i'll redo it then. I'll change JML and Vogue positions...

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27 minutes ago, Loru said:

Totally agree. 

Her voice has deteriorated quite a bit because she hasn't taken care of it for quite a while, at the Sticky and Sweet Tour she was constantly screaming and shrieking... but with a little attention and study she could easily do good vocal performances, she has proven this several times. Now her technical errors are obvious.

I, too, am a singer, and I know that her biggest vocal problems could be corrected in a short time. I think she does not need surgery and I think she has had phoniatric visits.

But what she does is constantly relying on autotune in live performances or just lip syncing... She doesn't care about her voice. And by the way she doesn't even mime well, she gets the timing wrong, the words wrong and often forgets to sing when hert vocals are there.

Her dancing is a bit clumsy (it's much better here, though) and she loses her breath rapidly, I wish too she would limit it to less movements that are more studied and compatible with her current physical abilities and take more interest in music.

We can't ask her to do more with her movements, because she is human and she is getting old, she has had so many physical problems.
But we can demand that she be a decent singer.

She was never incredibly good, but she was always a decent singer. From the 1990s to the early 2000s (until 2006) she always sang fairly well. 
From 2000 to 2003 she had a magnificent voice. I remember how good her voice was on the American Life Primo Tour, it was obvious she was continuing her vocal training.

She really was pretty stellar in 2003/4. It’s 2005 her voice seems to dip and I’m presuming that’s when the menopause hit because there was a huge tonal shift, which became even more apparent around 2008. By 2012 she seems to have lost all control her voice, which is something that seems slightly regained since 

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This is an interesting thread to read. 
first off, I'm glad the MX era is officially over. Lol. 
The show was nice to see her having fun, which in the live setting is impossible to not be charmed and elated by, so a bunch of phone videos from not the best angles or audio positioning in the venue are always gonna be hard to watch without being critical. I love, LOVE, love Madonna's live voice because it's authentic and flawed and surprising in her delivery. I also have never minded if she lip syncs or uses a backing track during higher energy songs for choreography. 
I think the MDNA tour wore her the fuck out physically and probably emotionally too. But it was great. Since RHT, she's definitely simplified her dancing, but I don't think she's ever going to be able to just stand and sing, even with a guitar strapped to her chest, because movement is probably a reflex when she's singing at this point. But, to see her quickly getting back into shape in real time, in front of an audience, looks promising and is kinda brave imo. 

*my little conspiracy theory is that she is showing Julia Garner the real deal in terms of being "MADONNA" and the fandom, I bet that's pretty hard to just explain to someone how that must feel. 
 

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3 hours ago, Blue Jean said:

The performance was good. What are people complaining about? (I haven't read all the whining.)

The TL;DR version: because they think her ass is too big and somehow throws off her center of gravity and that a lot of alcohol has ravaged her voice and is the reason for the pre-recorded vocals.  It has nothing to do with being a 60+year old who has sustained injuries from literally a lifetime of touring and performing.  It's ass implants and booze.

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