luluthecat 1,109 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, RebelHeartbreak said: I've no problem at all with her experimenting with different sounds/genres or newer "underground" artists. I've no problem at all with her using strong or provocative imagery to make her point(s). I do have a problem with the stunning lack of quality control surrounding her lately. She's essentially launching a sub-par photographer/video director's career with a bunch of rehashed ideas and truly horrible styling choices. I'm all for avant garde artistic expression, and sometimes that doesn't gel well with a lot of people. Adding a new line or two to mashup someone else's song into one that she has consistently "reinvented" already just doesn't really say anything to me as a listener, or as a fan. I'm used to some head-scratching moments from her especially if the videos don't quite match the song for me, but the output is usually still high quality and makes me think of the song in a different way. Similar to how a book can be better than its movie version, or vice versa. I don't hate this, it's just not intriguing or entertaining for me. If some like it, and get something from it, then she's done her job. SAME. I don't hate the music, I hate how cheap and sloppy this whole Warner venture has been so far. Cheap PR, cheap videos, cheap photoshoots, cheap fan artwork, cheap styling..........there maybe a "cost of living crisis" but M ain't suffering from it. I just really, really, really hope these promised re-issues are finally gonna be something special Ziploc and RebelHeartbreak 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathproof 10,555 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, cosmic_system said: It’s the same. It was not “age appropriate”. Lola was also wearing a leotard at the time too since she was in ballet school 🤣 It’s not the same, lol. You are comparing apples to bananas. Doing something nostalgic that references the past is not the same as jumping on trends. theglamorous, MattyMads and Alfalfa_HampusFL 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Redha DBL 7,269 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 Looks like many people just woke up now. For me i haven't been surprised at all by the video, i've been realistic about her going downhill since 2008. Sure at that time the fall was going very slow and many fans didn't notice but to me after Confessions and her divorce things habe started to go downhill. The thing is that for a couple of months/years the downfall is going faster so it's more and more obvious to more and more people/fans, but as i said for me i do not expect anything brilliant and top notch anymore from her. Am i a bad fan ?, an ageist ?, call me whatever reassure your delusionnal conscience, but you're not fooling anyone, not even yourself. In the end i'm just realistic about the state of Madonna, who in 2022 just do everything she forbade herself to do all along her life and career, which includes not going to the gym, eating everything she wants, smoke cigarets and even weed sometimes, drink a lot of alcohol (cause yes she does) and as a result she's just not the proffesional and the perfectionist she used to be and her work reflects that. Add to it the over use of very badly done plastic procedures and over use of sexual antics and here you have Madonna in 2022. Do i like it ? Of course not really cause i know she's able to do so much better. Do i blame her ? Not really, all other celebrities have had serious breakdowns way before her (even though about Madonna i don't think we can call it a breakdown). Now the question is, would have i prefer if she retire and not expose to the world her downfall ?! in a sens yes but in a selfish way no, cause i prefer seeing her at low then not seeing her at all, sorry to say but once again i'm being realistic. If we keep on expecting her to get back to the top of the game we're in for serious disappointments everytime she releases new music of new videos. I'm not saying this is not gonna happen or that it is not possible but i just say chanced are not very high. Things are what they are and we just have to admit, live with it and be realistic. Bermu, The Ghost, FallingInLove and 15 others 16 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic_system 3,151 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, deathproof said: It’s not the same, lol. You are comparing apples to bananas. Doing something nostalgic that references the past is not the same as jumping on trends. Yes ok bye. You really don’t get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steady75 9,566 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 MERCURY IN RETROGRADE GOT US LIKE Pootz333, Andymad, nikos132 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanfly 1,004 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Anyone else have a wall of text they would like to have left unread??? Ziploc, Andreo, MDRA and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUADJAI 14,905 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Levon said: As if there wasn't enough drama here already - why are you making up a transphobia story on top of that now? He's not making it up... Perhaps if you are unaware of something you shouldn't open your mouth. Or maybe ask where the transphobia is instead of immediately denying there is some. MDRA, Prayer, DaddyZ and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegoldencalf 12,573 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Blue Jean said: How is reggaeton or trap remixes tapping into something different? Theyre literally the most passé styles in commercial music I can think of. But this is not trap or raggaeton at all… And none of those genres are passe. And I meant different for her. Prayer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathproof 10,555 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, cosmic_system said: Yes ok bye. You really don’t get it. I don’t think you do, since you are the one disengaging and refusing to have a conversation. steady75, Alfalfa_HampusFL, dylanlioncourt and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertthenurse 2,894 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Fun Forum 🤣 RebelHeartbreak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levon 2,223 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, RUADJAI said: He's not making it up... Perhaps if you are unaware of something you shouldn't open your mouth. Or maybe ask where the transphobia is instead of immediately denying there is some. I am sorry about that. I must have read over that transphobic comment in this thread and unfortunately I can't find it. What is it about? A. A. Aardvark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Aardvark 4,830 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, Levon said: I am sorry about that. I must have read over that transphobic comment in this thread and unfortunately I can't find it. What is it about? do you poke dead animals too ? some people on here were furious and had to type out their disgust the cause was someone called Madonna's new video I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 50ft Queenie 2,787 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 This notion that a large portion of her fanbase here just hates on whatever she does is frankly braindead. I recall plenty of positivity for FEL, her cover of Your Song and the Pride Performance. She released a video for the remix and a lot of us don't like it. Simple as that. The comparisons to Erotica are so stupid they literally made my head hurt and I had to stop reading this thread for awhile. Everyone here can like and dislike what they want but the personal attacks and attaching rude labels onto people who have a different opinion is not excusable. mouse, steady75, Pootz333 and 10 others 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levon 2,223 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, A. A. Aardvark said: some people on here were furious and had to type out their disgust the cause was someone called Madonna's new video Someone suddenly brought up the topic of transphobia here and I asked what's the point, since there's already enough drama here. I also find no reference to the video. A. A. Aardvark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Aardvark 4,830 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Levon said: Someone suddenly brought up the topic of transphobia here and I asked what's the point, since there's already enough drama here. one person's 'yuck' or similar word is a stab in the heart I could only really remember the madonna vocal bits and was trying to forget the rest the visuals bothered enough to rack up 35 pages of outrage and reply on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMads 5,489 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, cosmic_system said: It’s the same. It was not “age appropriate”. Lola was also wearing a leotard at the time too since she was in ballet school 🤣 Ziploc, sbilly83, 50ft Queenie and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic_system 3,151 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 The use of gifs when people can’t actually articulate an answer is very telling. MDRA, MattyMads, Andreo and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thiagosb 255 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 make this #1 bitches ! Andreo, nikos132, blondebenji and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMads 5,489 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, thiagosb said: make this #1 bitches ! Don’t encourage her Ziploc, SecretProject, 50ft Queenie and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretProject 479 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, MattyMads said: Don’t encourage her I fear voicing our opposition makes her dig her heels in more. 😂 Wish it were the opposite. MattyMads, 50ft Queenie and RebelHeartbreak 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMads 5,489 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, SecretProject said: I fear voicing our opposition makes her dig her heels in more. 😂 Wish it were the opposite. You maybe right 😂 let’s make it number 1 and praise the video she may actually do something more descent next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xavier 4,766 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Love M, and all the drama she’s causing. A True Queen. 👑🥂🌹💋🔥 Frank and Andreo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes 5,820 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Levon said: As if there wasn't enough drama here already - why are you making up a transphobia story on top of that now? That was posted on the right side of the forum and it's still there : Alfalfa_HampusFL, MDRA, luchoypx and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levon 2,223 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Roland Barthes said: That was posted on the right side of the forum : This is really horrible. Now I understand your post much better. ma(x) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drownedboy 1,657 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 hours ago, TonyMontana said: Looks like many people just woke up now. For me i haven't been surprised at all by the video, i've been realistic about her going downhill since 2008. Sure at that time the fall was going very slow and many fans didn't notice but to me after Confessions and her divorce things habe started to go downhill. The thing is that for a couple of months/years the downfall is going faster so it's more and more obvious to more and more people/fans, but as i said for me i do not expect anything brilliant and top notch anymore from her. Am i a bad fan ?, an ageist ?, call me whatever reassure your delusionnal conscience, but you're not fooling anyone, not even yourself. In the end i'm just realistic about the state of Madonna, who in 2022 just do everything she forbade herself to do all along her life and career, which includes not going to the gym, eating everything she wants, smoke cigarets and even weed sometimes, drink a lot of alcohol (cause yes she does) and as a result she's just not the proffesional and the perfectionist she used to be and her work reflects that. Add to it the over use of very badly done plastic procedures and over use of sexual antics and here you have Madonna in 2022. Do i like it ? Of course not really cause i know she's able to do so much better. Do i blame her ? Not really, all other celebrities have had serious breakdowns way before her (even though about Madonna i don't think we can call it a breakdown). Now the question is, would have i prefer if she retire and not expose to the world her downfall ?! in a sens yes but in a selfish way no, cause i prefer seeing her at low then not seeing her at all, sorry to say but once again i'm being realistic. If we keep on expecting her to get back to the top of the game we're in for serious disappointments everytime she releases new music of new videos. I'm not saying this is not gonna happen or that it is not possible but i just say chanced are not very high. Things are what they are and we just have to admit, live with it and be realistic. This is telling it like it is. Period. liquidlove88, Redha DBL, MattyMads and 10 others 9 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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