deathproof 10,554 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Matte88 said: This was a version made by an Italian fan, called Cicciolona 😄 Andreo, ma(x), sbrombolessio and 3 others 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redha DBL 7,250 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 16 hours ago, bertrand said: This is now available for $3,000 I'm not buying this either OMG. @club78boy has just confirmed that what this person is selling is legit so now we have a chance to hear rough takes from almost the whole "Like a virgin" album😳 This is incredible knowing that we have almost no rare material from that album ! But damn this is expensive... Roy, NothingReallyMatters and club78boy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subversive 1,105 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 I don't know how to take that people who own that kind of material, decide one day to sell them in times of forthcoming reissues (and likely appreciation in value of this material). Maybe they know something? I know the likelyness it's only in madonna's/warner/rhino team™ hands, but maybe the thing fishy going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subversive 1,105 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 And what chance is there to get a good reissue if this material is around here and there, who really have theese masters unmastered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand 11,041 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Someone bought the Like A Virgin tape too. Again, not me. Roy, NothingReallyMatters, sbrombolessio and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pretender1978 992 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 20 hours ago, club78boy said: I took a chance thinking that GTI and Shame would at least be the "final" versions, but the entire set contains unique mixes. Maybe these are the versions Shep worked on while M was filming? It says somewhere in the diaries how he made more polished mixes that she hated and went back to the rough demo versions. It would be great to finally know what the differences are Roland Barthes, NothingReallyMatters, Redha DBL and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matte88 51 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 18 hours ago, deathproof said: Right, this is Cicciolina, Cicciolona was a (fat) Cicciolina impersonator 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post club78boy 3,349 Posted December 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2022 Ok, here's my "review" of the tape: 1. Erotica - this is the final, polished version of the demo we know from the LOC tapes. 2. Waiting - sounds very much like the album version but with many changes. more samples of "Waiting... For You" throughout, Completely unique vocal ab libs towards the end. This also fades out (if memory serves the final has a piano ending) 3. Rain - Very close to the final album version except this has the double verse at the end "stand out on the mountain top..." there is also no rain effects the end 4. Deeper And Deeper - very similar to the LOC tape. No backing vocals and possibly a different vocal take. I'd need to do some comparing 5. Thief Of Hearts - similar to one of the final LOC demos, includes some unique backing vocals/harmonies, also has the "thief.. thief... thief of hearts" section at the end. Ends like the album version but much more reverb on the spoken vocals. 6. Bad Girl - similar to the LOC tape, demo vocal, repeated first verse in place of the second verse. this has backing vocals/harmonies. 7. Why's It So Hard - completely different and unique! The music is much more reggae inspired and "raw." Somewhat different structure in terms of the vocal placement. Includes the male vocals with some extra spoken bits not used in the final mix. Demo vocal from M and cold ending with male vocals 8. Where Life Begins - much clearer vocals and more basic music. The saxophone is quite prominent and loud! Vocals are an alternate take with unheard adlibs. 9. In This Life - interesting bass line, this seems like an early version of the final mix. more evolved than the LOC version, but not quite there yet. Demo vocal. spoken vocals seem to have the same "phone" effect as Bye Bye Baby vocals. 10. Words - such a fun mix! this has the final version production with many changes: completely unheard, unique intro, no spoken parts or typing effects. 11. Bye Bye Baby - similar to the final version. different instrumentation throughout. interesting, different samples in the spoken end part - feels more "hip hop" than the final mix. Same ending without the "you fucked it up" 12. Secret Garden - this sounds like the demo we have, that leaked with Dear Father 13. Goodbye To Innocence - this is a version of the LOC mix, but completely different and unique. New vocal take and it includes the final vocals "say goodbye..." lots of new harmonies throughout. pretty different to the LOC version and no where near the demo that sounds closer to Fever. 14. Shame - unique mix to the LOC tape. music is way more evolved and has a funkier beat added to the music we are familiar with. Sounds like a new lead vocal. and there you have it! Jaawsshhh, chaseturtle, martinicus and 32 others 20 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo94 54 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, club78boy said: Ok, here's my "review" of the tape: 1. Erotica - this is the final, polished version of the demo we know from the LOC tapes. 2. Waiting - sounds very much like the album version but with many changes. more samples of "Waiting... For You" throughout, Completely unique vocal ab libs towards the end. This also fades out (if memory serves the final has a piano ending) 3. Rain - Very close to the final album version except this has the double verse at the end "stand out on the mountain top..." there is also no rain effects the end 4. Deeper And Deeper - very similar to the LOC tape. No backing vocals and possibly a different vocal take. I'd need to do some comparing 5. Thief Of Hearts - similar to one of the final LOC demos, includes some unique backing vocals/harmonies, also has the "thief.. thief... thief of hearts" section at the end. Ends like the album version but much more reverb on the spoken vocals. 6. Bad Girl - similar to the LOC tape, demo vocal, repeated first verse in place of the second verse. this has backing vocals/harmonies. 7. Why's It So Hard - completely different and unique! The music is much more reggae inspired and "raw." Somewhat different structure in terms of the vocal placement. Includes the male vocals with some extra spoken bits not used in the final mix. Demo vocal from M and cold ending with male vocals 8. Where Life Begins - much clearer vocals and more basic music. The saxophone is quite prominent and loud! Vocals are an alternate take with unheard adlibs. 9. In This Life - interesting bass line, this seems like an early version of the final mix. more evolved than the LOC version, but not quite there yet. Demo vocal. spoken vocals seem to have the same "phone" effect as Bye Bye Baby vocals. 10. Words - such a fun mix! this has the final version production with many changes: completely unheard, unique intro, no spoken parts or typing effects. 11. Bye Bye Baby - similar to the final version. different instrumentation throughout. interesting, different samples in the spoken end part - feels more "hip hop" than the final mix. Same ending without the "you fucked it up" 12. Secret Garden - this sounds like the demo we have, that leaked with Dear Father 13. Goodbye To Innocence - this is a version of the LOC mix, but completely different and unique. New vocal take and it includes the final vocals "say goodbye..." lots of new harmonies throughout. pretty different to the LOC version and no where near the demo that sounds closer to Fever. 14. Shame - unique mix to the LOC tape. music is way more evolved and has a funkier beat added to the music we are familiar with. Sounds like a new lead vocal. and there you have it! Wow sounds like it’s actually got some good stuff on it then club78boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperFaces 5,604 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 So where are these mixes coming from all of a sudden and how it the quality? Like, muffled and recorded thru the bathroom door or good enough to be released commercially? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbrombolessio 1,421 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 37 minutes ago, club78boy said: Ok, here's my "review" of the tape: 1. Erotica - this is the final, polished version of the demo we know from the LOC tapes. 2. Waiting - sounds very much like the album version but with many changes. more samples of "Waiting... For You" throughout, Completely unique vocal ab libs towards the end. This also fades out (if memory serves the final has a piano ending) 3. Rain - Very close to the final album version except this has the double verse at the end "stand out on the mountain top..." there is also no rain effects the end 4. Deeper And Deeper - very similar to the LOC tape. No backing vocals and possibly a different vocal take. I'd need to do some comparing 5. Thief Of Hearts - similar to one of the final LOC demos, includes some unique backing vocals/harmonies, also has the "thief.. thief... thief of hearts" section at the end. Ends like the album version but much more reverb on the spoken vocals. 6. Bad Girl - similar to the LOC tape, demo vocal, repeated first verse in place of the second verse. this has backing vocals/harmonies. 7. Why's It So Hard - completely different and unique! The music is much more reggae inspired and "raw." Somewhat different structure in terms of the vocal placement. Includes the male vocals with some extra spoken bits not used in the final mix. Demo vocal from M and cold ending with male vocals 8. Where Life Begins - much clearer vocals and more basic music. The saxophone is quite prominent and loud! Vocals are an alternate take with unheard adlibs. 9. In This Life - interesting bass line, this seems like an early version of the final mix. more evolved than the LOC version, but not quite there yet. Demo vocal. spoken vocals seem to have the same "phone" effect as Bye Bye Baby vocals. 10. Words - such a fun mix! this has the final version production with many changes: completely unheard, unique intro, no spoken parts or typing effects. 11. Bye Bye Baby - similar to the final version. different instrumentation throughout. interesting, different samples in the spoken end part - feels more "hip hop" than the final mix. Same ending without the "you fucked it up" 12. Secret Garden - this sounds like the demo we have, that leaked with Dear Father 13. Goodbye To Innocence - this is a version of the LOC mix, but completely different and unique. New vocal take and it includes the final vocals "say goodbye..." lots of new harmonies throughout. pretty different to the LOC version and no where near the demo that sounds closer to Fever. 14. Shame - unique mix to the LOC tape. music is way more evolved and has a funkier beat added to the music we are familiar with. Sounds like a new lead vocal. and there you have it! So this might be recorded before the team entered the studio in June 92, before Erotica changed chorus and so on... Great! Thank you once again! momosfantasy, NothingReallyMatters and club78boy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
club78boy 3,349 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 29 minutes ago, PaperFaces said: So where are these mixes coming from all of a sudden and how it the quality? Like, muffled and recorded thru the bathroom door or good enough to be released commercially? it' a tape rip, so tape hiss is pretty high, but it sounds MUCH better than the Library of Congress rips. Steffmad and shakeyerdix 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie 8,016 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Love that, thank you for posting the review and notes @club78boy! Great find! Congrats! club78boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanky1995 2,813 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Congrats on getting this treasure @club78boy club78boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subversive 1,105 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 WTF is LOC tape and has it leaked? Thank you. Amazing summary, Thank you club78boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathproof 10,554 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 wow WOW WOW! Thank you @club78boy!!! club78boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie 8,016 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, subversive said: WTF is LOC tape and has it leaked? Thank you. Amazing summary, Thank you Library of Congress i.e. Rain Tapes. deathproof, club78boy, NothingReallyMatters and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drum Dub 1,883 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Oh! Thanks so much for your review @club78boy!!! and if sometime you feel like sharing something we would be so happy club78boy and stefo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy 7,610 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 hours ago, club78boy said: Ok, here's my "review" of the tape: 1. Erotica - this is the final, polished version of the demo we know from the LOC tapes. 2. Waiting - sounds very much like the album version but with many changes. more samples of "Waiting... For You" throughout, Completely unique vocal ab libs towards the end. This also fades out (if memory serves the final has a piano ending) 3. Rain - Very close to the final album version except this has the double verse at the end "stand out on the mountain top..." there is also no rain effects the end 4. Deeper And Deeper - very similar to the LOC tape. No backing vocals and possibly a different vocal take. I'd need to do some comparing 5. Thief Of Hearts - similar to one of the final LOC demos, includes some unique backing vocals/harmonies, also has the "thief.. thief... thief of hearts" section at the end. Ends like the album version but much more reverb on the spoken vocals. 6. Bad Girl - similar to the LOC tape, demo vocal, repeated first verse in place of the second verse. this has backing vocals/harmonies. 7. Why's It So Hard - completely different and unique! The music is much more reggae inspired and "raw." Somewhat different structure in terms of the vocal placement. Includes the male vocals with some extra spoken bits not used in the final mix. Demo vocal from M and cold ending with male vocals 8. Where Life Begins - much clearer vocals and more basic music. The saxophone is quite prominent and loud! Vocals are an alternate take with unheard adlibs. 9. In This Life - interesting bass line, this seems like an early version of the final mix. more evolved than the LOC version, but not quite there yet. Demo vocal. spoken vocals seem to have the same "phone" effect as Bye Bye Baby vocals. 10. Words - such a fun mix! this has the final version production with many changes: completely unheard, unique intro, no spoken parts or typing effects. 11. Bye Bye Baby - similar to the final version. different instrumentation throughout. interesting, different samples in the spoken end part - feels more "hip hop" than the final mix. Same ending without the "you fucked it up" 12. Secret Garden - this sounds like the demo we have, that leaked with Dear Father 13. Goodbye To Innocence - this is a version of the LOC mix, but completely different and unique. New vocal take and it includes the final vocals "say goodbye..." lots of new harmonies throughout. pretty different to the LOC version and no where near the demo that sounds closer to Fever. 14. Shame - unique mix to the LOC tape. music is way more evolved and has a funkier beat added to the music we are familiar with. Sounds like a new lead vocal. and there you have it! Amazing! Thanks for this one, club78boy! :D club78boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathproof 10,554 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Is Thief of Hearts like “old music” or “new music?” club78boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoful 8,547 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 @club78boy Please tell me you’re going to post it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoful 8,547 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Someone ping me the next tape that goes up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie 8,016 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, Shoful said: @club78boy Please tell me you’re going to post it At $3000US That would be a very generous gift! I liked what we did with @bertrand with the COAD and others - we all contribute till we get the amount needed - Bermu, momosfantasy, Frank and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoful 8,547 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Jackie said: At $3000US That would be a very generous gift! I liked what we did with @bertrand with the COAD and others - we all contribute till we get the amount needed - I would 1000% do this! If there’s another tape that goes live I’ll buy it for us to do that stefo, momosfantasy, Frank and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertthenurse 2,890 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I'd donate $$ to go into buying some rare M stuff with yall Frank and Shoful 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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