BILLBOARD: ‘Maybe We’re Wrong’: When Madonna Got Cold Feet Over Her ‘American Life’ Video

[missberic 763]

1 hour ago, MPowered said:

There's not a single song on Rebel Heart that is as corny and embarrassing as Supershit, Bidet Song or Turn Up the Radio. 

Just half the tracklist

[missberic 763]

I can't with RH stans who feel like they are on some superior intellectual level because they get a concept the rest of us don't or care about amazing rhymes like "oh my god you're so hot" that you won't find on MDNA or MX

[Blue Jean 15,068]

1 hour ago, missberic said:

I can't with RH stans who feel like they are on some superior intellectual level because they get a concept the rest of us don't or care about amazing rhymes like "oh my god you're so hot" that you won't find on MDNA or MX

I CAN I CON 2 letters apart

[MaDöner Kebab 6,852]

2 hours ago, missberic said:

I can't with RH stans who feel like they are on some superior intellectual level because they get a concept the rest of us don't or care about amazing rhymes like "oh my god you're so hot" that you won't find on MDNA or MX

The entirety of S.E.X. takes a big fucking shit on the majority of songs from MX and MDNA that either have even more silly rhymes or melodies with rhymes that don’t work well or are off-beat.

I took a pill and had a dream (yo también)
I went back to my 17……. year

You can have the keys to my car
I'll play you a song on my guitar

Wake up, ex-wife
This is your life
Children, on your own
Turning on the telephone

This is your wake-up call
We don't have to fall
A new democracy
God and pornography

People think that I'm insane
The only gun is in my brain
Each new birth, it gives me hope
That's why I don't smoke that dope
Insane people think I am
Brain inside, my only friend
Hope it gives me birth each new
That dope I don't smoke, it's true

 

[MaDöner Kebab 6,852]

1 hour ago, Blue Jean said:

I CAN I CON 2 letters apart

Tell me I'm no good and I'll be great
Say I have to fight and I can't wait (yeah)
Standing in the wings
A butterfly that stings
I will rise above 'cause it's my fate (yeah)

[Donna 16,043]

8 hours ago, Pootz333 said:

Once again, we disagree. I just never ever quote you about it.

That's nice.  I think that's why I rarely comment on your wildly assuming posts!

[cyberrage 395]

I think Madonna was very clear-

I guess I’m lost
I paid a handsome cost
The thing that hurt the most
Was that I wasn't lost
I wasn't lost

[Lorx 344]

18 hours ago, MPowered said:

I'm usually on the side of "let everyone have an opinion even if it differs from yours" but I just can't with MDNA and MX apologists that constantly shit on Rebel Heart.  You guys know that you are straight up lying but can't admit it cause y'all are pissed she didn't do a sell-out album with Avicii's EDM beats.

Y'all just hate Rebel Heart cause she's the Beyonce of the Interscope era and MDNA and MX are Kelly and Michelle.

There's not a single song on Rebel Heart that is as corny and embarrassing as Supershit, Bidet Song or Turn Up the Radio. No, not even BIM, Holy Water, Illuminati, Unapologetic Bitch or S.E.X. are THAT bad. Literally all of them blow the bottom songs from MDNA out of the water. Neither of those had the ear-piercing vocoder effects that most of the songs on MX needed. Production-wise Kanye served up some of their best and most out there beats that still made them sound like accessible pop songs with a slight edge.

Rebel Heart wouldn't get nearly as much hate had the demo session not leaked. MDNA was hand-me-down songs with barely any involvement from Madonna. MX sounds like a compilation of unfinished demos and there is even less sonic consistency. IDSIF, the song  gays love to praise is just an extended interlude and the verses are lifted from Peaky Blinders. The beat is EXTREMELY dated and doesn't sound fresh. It sounds like an old reject from the early 2000s. God Control's lyrics are a fucking joke and her vocals make it even worse. Whoever made her thing that the vocoder was gonna sound cool or fresh fucking set her up. It ruins nearly all the songs.

I love Holy Water.
I agree that there is not a single bad song in Rebel Heart, although there are some not to my taste, and that it is an immensely superior album to MDNA. 
And I hate MDNA, it sucks for me. 
Production-wise Rebel Heart is a polished record and done very well, better even than MX.
I recognize that objectively MX has so many problems. Starting with the vocoder effects.
Madame X has bad songs (Bitch I'm Loca, Come Alive) or songs that, although done well and not objectively bad, are not to my taste (Medellin, Future, I Rise, Crave).
What makes me prefer MX is the simple fact that there are those three or four songs that are superior to all of Rebel Heart on a production, harmonic, and compositional level. 
God Control, a song where the vocoder in my opinion makes sense. IDSIF, also makes sense there; to me the beat is not dated at all, it deliberately has 90s and early 2000s inspirations tracing those beats but it sounds fresh. 
The Peaky Blinders quote I like a lot, it must be that I love that TV series.
Then I don't think that sounding "new" is a virtue. 
Ray Of Light and Music are much more futuristic than MDNA and Rebel Heart. 
Music nowadays has an increasing tendency to flatten melodies, to nullify any reasoning about harmony and progressions. The rhythm sections are increasingly banal. There are no decent drums; they are dumb beats. It is less and less music and more and more a fancy background (a point I make as a person in his 20s and as a musician). 
And then there is Killers Who Are Partying, my favorite, it has crazy layers, amazing production. The lyrics are corny in the verses, but not bad. Made worse by the vocoder, but with that melody and production I get over it.
Extreme Occident then would have been good if it wasn't for the vocoder that penalizes it so much.

5 hours ago, cyberrage said:

I think Madonna was very clear-

I guess I’m lost
I paid a handsome cost
The thing that hurt the most
Was that I wasn't lost
I wasn't lost

In the interviews she had described this as the "mega-paradox," it would have been okay to describe this, but it is somewhat poorly written.

[kesiak 3,030]

37 minutes ago, Lorx said:

I love Holy Water.
I agree that there is not a single bad song in Rebel Heart, although there are some not to my taste, and that it is an immensely superior album to MDNA. 
And I hate MDNA, it sucks for me. 
Production-wise Rebel Heart is a polished record and done very well, better even than MX.
I recognize that objectively MX has so many problems. Starting with the vocoder effects.
Madame X has bad songs (Bitch I'm Loca, Come Alive) or songs that, although done well and not objectively bad, are not to my taste (Medellin, Future, I Rise, Crave).

No matter how many times you use "objectively", your point of view still remains very much subjective. 

[Prayer 14,234]

Rolling Stone got jealous of the Billboard piece!

Madonna at War: An Oral History of the ‘American Life’ Video

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/madonna-american-life-video-iraq-war-controversy-1234714498/

Lots of new comments from Jonas, Mirwais, Jamie King, Arianne Phillips and more.

[Drownedboy 1,655]

It´s interesting that this is getting more atention at its 20 anniversary that her magnus opus ROL at its 25 anniversary!! I love it. Both amazing records, one more ethereal and superlauded, the other more grounded and super atacked, both two sides of a great artist at a peak moment.

I also must add that for me American life the single and video clip are both some of the most relevant work of Madonn´s whole carreer, and a key piece to understand her evolution. The fact that the song flopped big time after such a commercially succesful era and that the video was retired makes it all much more legendary and iconic. I hope that she does the song on her Celebration tour, I always loved it personally and meant a lot of me. And I think it´s super relevant today, maybe even more than in 2003.

[Blue Jean 15,068]

24 minutes ago, Drownedboy said:

It´s interesting that this is getting more atention at its 20 anniversary that her magnus opus ROL at its 25 anniversary!!

Maybe her team are involved in instigating these articles as they have the RSD vinyl to promote?

[Brendanlovesu1 11,846]

have the articles mentioned there's a new RSD vinyl to promote though??

[deathproof 10,552]

On 4/15/2023 at 3:33 AM, Drownedboy said:

It´s interesting that this is getting more atention at its 20 anniversary that her magnus opus ROL at its 25 anniversary!! I love it. Both amazing records, one more ethereal and superlauded, the other more grounded and super atacked, both two sides of a great artist at a peak moment.

Billboard is doing a 20 yr celebration on the music from 2003. The article mentions this in the beginning. 

[milingo83 7,154]

Finally 🙏🏻

 

[Drownedboy 1,655]

1 hour ago, milingo83 said:

Finally 🙏🏻

 

I bet it is her favourite one of hers.

[Sillynate 124]

The whiplash that is Rebel Heart… 

shaking my ass when the Rebel songs come on 

crying when the Heart songs come on 

https://youtu.be/ed80JQaPTWs 

video won’t embed :( 

[antigulag 25]

Terrible revisionistic article justifying her bs excuses.