Sam Smith covers “Human Nature”

[scion 3,107]

I’m so sorry to read the posts in this thread that can’t get their head around the difference between gender and sex, or can’t show respect to an individual 

The cover is impressive, more interesting than Human Nature has sounded in a while. Well done to Sam. 

[Blue Jean 15,091]

11 minutes ago, PaperFaces said:

You cant make other people see you as you see yourself. Thats, by definiton, narcissism.

We accuse world leaders and politicians of tyranny when they do the same.

You cannot self-identify.

And no one has to participate in your vain, adolescent fantasy that youre a woman just because you say you are.

Easy to say that when you dont bleed once a month or reduce women to being “a feeling”.

I will not do that.

You are sounding transphobic now.

[me1981 1,358]

4 minutes ago, PaperFaces said:

You cant make other people see you as you see yourself. Thats, by definiton, narcissism.

We accuse world leaders and politicians of tyranny when they do the same.

You cannot self-identify.

And no one has to participate in your vain, adolescent fantasy that youre a woman just because you say you are.

Easy to say that when you dont bleed once a month or reduce women to being “a feeling”.

I will not do that.

Not all biological women bleed once a month some never do for whatever reason, no need to reduce a woman down to a biological function.

Speaking of biology, is that the litmus test here? If so there is no gene or biology that accounts for sexaulity. So then what makes a person Gay? It isn't biology, so what else is it? You identify as Gay or Straight or Bi and what, I am supposed to just buy into your identity, where is the biological proof. 

This is why Gay conversion therapy exists because people don't believe Gay people are really Gay just confused Heterosexuals. It's a slippery and dangerous slope when you speak of identity. Sexuality is literally identity and it is based off how you feel. Not any science based biology, yet you are free to identify however you want. 

[survivalartist 6,436]

All this is exactly why I haven’t been to Thanksgiving dinner since  before Obama was President 

[BuggedOut 4,121]

23 minutes ago, me1981 said:

Lots of people identify as non binary. It is how they choose to see themselves. It doesn't take much to respect that. Many thought being gay was a mental illness too. It was only deregistered in the 1970's. 

I would never go out if my way in person to argue what people want to go by.

I would just ask their name and refer to them by that.

[EgoRod 5,424]

5 minutes ago, BuggedOut said:

 refer to them

Them

[BuggedOut 4,121]

3 minutes ago, EgoRod said:

Them

Sam Smith is one person.

[adirondak 1,574]

Self- perception shouldn’t require the participation of others. If someone thinks I’m a woman I’d just laugh at them and move on with my day. I don’t need the validation of others to know who I am, and anyone who does must not be that confident that they are who they say they are. 

[me1981 1,358]

Just now, BuggedOut said:

Sam Smith is one person.

It is not uncommon to use they when speaking about a singular person. Many people do it when it has nothing to do with gender identity. 

[Blue Jean 15,091]

I know numerous people who identify as non binary and I slip up sometimes as it has taken me time to get used to using correct pronouns etc. None of them have ever been offended or demanding about it at all.

I can honestly say too each and every one of them I can see how that definition applies to them as they are not obviously male nor female and a label as such would be limiting .

Perhaps there was a period where some young people were leaping on the bandwagon as a fad but I feel that time came and went for the most part. It is not as it a large percentage of young people are all suddenly claiming to be non binary. I cannot understand the hysteria around it from people but I suppose it has been amplified by the media and conspiracy loons have also taken hold of the topic and turned it into something it isn’t.

[EgoRod 5,424]

Just now, BuggedOut said:

Sam Smith is one person.

They can be use in singular like you. It's correct grammar. 

[adirondak 1,574]

31 minutes ago, Blue Jean said:

I know numerous people who identify as non binary 

It is not as it a large percentage of young people are all suddenly claiming to be non binary. 

 

[me1981 1,358]

1 minute ago, Blue Jean said:

I know numerous people who identify as non binary and I slip up sometimes as it has taken me time to get used to using correct pronouns etc. None of them have ever been offended or demanding about it at all.

I can honestly say too each and every one of them I can see how that definition applies to them as they are not obviously male nor female and a label as such would be limiting .

Perhaps there was a period where some young people were leaping on the bandwagon as a fad but I feel that time came and went for the most part. It is not as it a large percentage of young people are all suddenly claiming to be non binary. I cannot understand the hysteria around it from people but I suppose it has been amplified by the media and conspiracy loons have also taken hold of the topic and turned it into something it isn’t.

Same, have never had a problem with anyone who is non-binary when I have forgotten, and as I said even Sam Smith said they won't get angry if people use he/him but they don't identify that way and it isn't hard to respect that. It is a monority of people and isn't some fad. I agree some people may have jumped on sort of like sicktok when there were a few people faking mental health issues, but I again agree I think that time has passed. 

[Blue Jean 15,091]

11 minutes ago, BuggedOut said:

Sam Smith is one person.

No he isn’t, he has multiple personalities. Don’t assume his identity as only one person.

[BuggedOut 4,121]

2 minutes ago, Blue Jean said:

No he isn’t, he has multiple personalities. Don’t assume his identity as only one person.

You can’t change science just because.

If Sam identified as a woman, I’d gladly refer to him as her.

 

[Blue Jean 15,091]

5 minutes ago, BuggedOut said:

You can’t change science just because.

If Sam identified as a woman, I’d gladly refer to him as her.

Even if they still have a penis?

[adirondak 1,574]

4 minutes ago, Blue Jean said:

Even if they still have a penis?

In that case you just refer to it as “her dainty penis and low hanging balls.”

[Blue Jean 15,091]

5 minutes ago, adirondak said:

In that case you just refer to it as “her dainty penis and low hanging balls.”

Before you gobble it down?

[adirondak 1,574]

5 minutes ago, Blue Jean said:

Before you gobble it down?

Well she has to affirm her womanhood somehow - shooting a big load of sperm out her womanly cock should help. 

[scion 3,107]

I didn’t realise this forum, a place I love and with people I thought I respected, is actually full of frankly shit attempts at human beings. 

[PaperFaces 5,605]

54 minutes ago, Blue Jean said:

You are sounding transphobic now.

And there it is: the namecalling, simply for stating facts.

Im not engaging in this.

[Régine Filange 2,582]

2 hours ago, BuggedOut said:

There’s a reason so many heteros think being gay is a mental illness.

Heteros were thinking that being gay is a mental illness way before some people wanted to be called "they/them"

2 hours ago, BuggedOut said:

I couldn’t be a more accepting person, but we are all only one person.

Thats my own personal opinion. Sorry if I am not conforming to how people want me to be (like Sam Smith).

No one said they're 10 people hun, they use the pronouns "they/them" cause they don't want society to define their sexuality and how they should express it.

[Régine Filange 2,582]

People who get mad to people that use the "they/them" pronouns are so odd, you can ignore them and not talk to them, or about them, if you disagree, no one forced you to be friends with them.

And the excuses they use are weak, they sound like they people who will call a short person "short ass" and then act like they didn't insult him cause he is indeed short.

[Régine Filange 2,582]

6 hours ago, wtg1987 said:

sorry he has a penis - that makes him a he- you cant deny your biology imo ... this world is so messed up because of these dumb buzz words now - are we denying our genes now ???

the word "he" isn't biology.

[Régine Filange 2,582]

6 hours ago, PaperFaces said:

He's not in the room. What does he care how he is referred to? Seems a bit narcissistic. "You will adress me as such..." Jesus.

How it feels narcissistic if he's not in the room with us as you said? You don't talk with him right now.