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[Susan Thomas 7,830]

4 hours ago, Jackie said:

While we wait, I found the old Bruce Baron interview/notes:

1994 BRING IT Registered at Library Of Congress, demo cassette on file PAU-1-889-252 Written by Madonna, Pettibone. Bruce Baron recently listened to this track at the Washington DC Library Of Congress, and he writes: This is a completely unreleased song from the discarded Shep Pettibone productions for what became the "Bedtime Stories" album. It was submitted on the same tape as "Love Won't Wait", "Somethings Coming Over Me", and "I Will Always Have You" This song did not evolve into anything found on the released album. It's NOT very catchy, and needs more development. The lyrics are strings of cliche phrases about an obsessed person. A main lyric reads; "I know you're love is bad for me, but I won't give up until you bring it to me" The musical arrangement sounds very similar to what was done on "Bye Bye Baby" a few years before on "Erotica". There are also some breathing noises. The recording of this song on file at the copyright office has some damage on this track. I don't know if it's on the copy itself or the original master from which it came. We could easily live without it, since it is not very good. 
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1994 I WILL AWAYS HAVE YOU Early Madonna and Shep Pettibone production of what later became "Inside Of Me". Registered at Library Of Congress cassette on file PAU-1-889-251. This is probably the best of the abandoned Shep Pettibone co-productions from the "Bedtime Stories" album. This song later evolved into "Inside Of Me" which was used on the album. Once again Shep does not get credit on the album, but he does in the Warner-Chappell Publishing Co database. This early version is rather different from the version that we know of as "Inside Of Me". In the released version Madonna sings against a R&B downbeat in a soft, quiet lullaby type voice that gives the song a tender quality. On the demo the song is performed like a mid-tempo power ballad in the style of "Crazy For You", and "You'll See" using a strong clear vocal. I think that it is better than "I'll Remember" done with Pat Leonard a few years before. With a little polishing "I Will Always Have You" could have easily been an American top 5 hit single. The melody line is substantially different from "Inside Of Me", but there are often similarities. Many of the same lyrics are switched around. The words "inside of me" are hardly used, and Madonna adds "like an angel" after the part where she sings "standing over me" in a verse found in the released version. The released song's theme is all about Madonna cherishing the memory of a loved one, but in this demo she also wants the object of the song to "remember me". 

During my listen at the LOC copyright office I observed a sound during the middle break that I don't think that I have heard in any Madonna song - a flute-like instrument solo. 
There is also a finger snap-like sound used throughout the mid-tempo ballad similar to the one used in "Rescue Me", but more subtle. I also need to stress the difference in the melody and arrangement of the chorus. The words "inside of me" are not really a part of it. The main frame is designed around "I Will Always Have You" and is definitely a proper song title for this original demo. The verse lyrics of "I Will Always Have You" are more similar to the released version of "Inside Of Me." I do recall the lyric about being in "the public eye" in both versions. Lets now bow our heads and pray for it's use as a maxi-single bonus track at some point in the future.

1994 SOMETHINGS COMING OVER ME Early version of "Secret" started with Shep Pettibone, later finshed with Dave Hall. Confirmed by Library Of Congress. Cassette on file PAU-1-889-253. Bruce Baron notes that this is not a typo of a song title !! This is the original version of what we now call "Secret". It is the original Madonna/Pettibone demo before she dumped him from the "Bedtime Stories" album. Forget the strum guitar, the semi-R&B arrangement and Madonna humming the hook, and the lyric "my baby's got a secret". They do not exist in this early version. This is a Pettibone co-production and it features a driving drum and bassline, but it is rather generic and typical like a Cathy Dennis track. The released version of "Secret" seems slow and boring compared this early demo of which I enjoyed a great deal. Shep would be justified for being a little pissed of for not being in the album credits for this song. It's about a 50% re-write of the released version (it's actually the other way around). Parts of the verse lyrics and verse melody are the same or similar. The chorus melody and arrangement are totally different: "Somethings Coming Over Me(Over Me)(Over Me)(Over Me)" The bridge is the part that doesn't really work. It's a continuation of the "Erotica" theme. The music breaks and Madonna wails into sexual moaning like Donna Sommer's "Love To Love You Baby". Then Madonna speaks "I see your love coming down, let it wash all over me" Obviously we know what she is talking about? Then the music starts back up into the main hook as the climax. Her vocal is clear and strong. It could easily be used on a vault collection as an item of interest with it's original demo music intact if the parties involved could agree in the future. According to the Warner Chappell database, Shep does get money as a co-author for the released version of "Secret". He just does not appear in the album credits other than the "Thank you for understanding".

I could not find the notes on the others - the way Bruce describes, IWHY and SCOM- both sound like great opportunities!  Bring It - maybe not.

Oh yeah well, this was the last thing I needed to contain my thirst about these tracks

... I'm gonna be even more eager from now on if possible:  thanx babe  

MY HOPES ARE HIGH FOR SOMETHING'S COMING OVER ME AND I WILL ALWAYS HAVE YOU, as they are both demos and not original tracks and apparently both good, so she coud accept them to be relased for once. And I'M SURE we're getting something interesting this time: she mentioned "my baby's got a secret" on her post, I don't remermber her teasing about that celebratory remix compilation for AL. I hope we could have both SCOM and IWAHY, but I'm definitely positive at least about the first one.

[Adonna 22,063]

1 hour ago, stefo said:

MY HOPES ARE HIGH FOR SOMETHING'S COMING OVER ME AND I WILL ALWAYS HAVE YOU, as they are both demos and not original tracks and apparently both good,

I always assumed these two are just early demos of "Secret" and "Take A bow".   Of course, these makes sense to include on any special edition of BEDTIME STORIES being those were intended for the project unlike the previous work she did with Shep before switching directions on the album. 

I can't wait until we get actual authentic info on this.  I'm still betting, this will probably be something similar to how they did American Life Mix Show, where they are going include remixes of some of the singles from that album.

[ChrisK 9,306]

8 minutes ago, Adonna said:

I always assumed these two are just early demos of "Secret" and "Take A bow".   Of course, these makes sense to include on any special edition of BEDTIME STORIES being those were intended for the project unlike the previous work she did with Shep before switching directions on the the album. 

I can't wait until we get actual authentic info on this.  I'm still betting, this will probably be something similar to how they did American Life Mix Show, where they are going include remixes of some of the singles from that album.

IWAHY - was an early version of inside of me - but Bruces' description it sounds like a different song with a different meaning, just with similar lyrics. 

[Susan Thomas 7,830]

14 minutes ago, Adonna said:

I always assumed these two are just early demos of "Secret" and "Take A bow".   Of course, these makes sense to include on any special edition of BEDTIME STORIES being those were intended for the project unlike the previous work she did with Shep before switching directions on the the album. 

Yeah, that's the point 

[Adonna 22,063]

36 minutes ago, Jackie said:

IWAHY - was an early version of inside of me - but Bruces' description it sounds like a different song with a different meaning, just with similar lyrics. 

You're right. I forgot about that.  And I can totally seeing being that title matches some of the lyrics to that song. 

I'll still be surprise if we're getting demos on a RSD release.  I hope, but I won't hold my breath.

[ChrisK 9,306]

12 minutes ago, Adonna said:

You're right. I forgot about that.  And I can totally seeing being that title matches some of the lyrics to that song. 

I'll still be surprise if we're getting demos on a RSD release.  I hope, but I won't hold my breath.

If plans stay as is (i.e matching the WB listing) then it's not a question of if demos will be included, but a question of what - and what they consider 'unreleased'.

[Adonna 22,063]

9 minutes ago, Jackie said:

If plans stay as is (i.e matching the WB listing) then it's not a question of if demos will be included, but a question of what - and what they consider 'unreleased'.

So I've heard about this "WB LISTING", but has anyone really provided a link or source to this detailing this listing?   

[ChrisK 9,306]

1 minute ago, Adonna said:

So I've heard about this "WB LISTING", but has anyone really provided a link or source to this detailing this listing?   

Um isn't that how this all started ?

[Adonna 22,063]

8 minutes ago, Jackie said:

Um isn't that how this all started ?

All I see are fans talking about a supposed listing, but no one has actually shared proof the listing exists.  I think it's fair to ask that.  I know if I came in and stated, Warner has a listing of such and such to be release, people would be asking for a reputable link/source. 

[ChrisK 9,306]

3 minutes ago, Adonna said:

All I see are fans talking about a supposed listing, but no one has actually shared proof the listing exists.  I think it's fair to ask that.  I know if I came in and stated, Warner has a listing of such and such to be release, people would be asking for a reputable link/source. 

Ok - I'm not going to debate - but the actual listing was shared.

[Would You Like To Try 9,641]

6 minutes ago, Adonna said:

All I see are fans talking about a supposed listing, but no one has actually shared proof the listing exists.  I think it's fair to ask that.  I know if I came in and stated, Warner has a listing of such and such to be release, people would be asking for a reputable link/source. 

death proof is quite reliable and has shared info on me digital singles and more such as this. He is trustable at least for most of us 

[Adonna 22,063]

4 minutes ago, Jackie said:

Ok - I'm not going to debate - but the actual listing was shared.

I'm not asking for a debate.  Can you share the "actual listing"?  I haven't seen it.  That's all I was asking.  Sorry for the confusion?

[BoyToyMark 692]

31 minutes ago, Jackie said:

If plans stay as is (i.e matching the WB listing) then it's not a question of if demos will be included, but a question of what - and what they consider 'unreleased'.

True! In the US 'Let Down Your Guard' was never commercially released.

We got it in Aus and so did the UK/EU.

[ChrisK 9,306]

41 minutes ago, Adonna said:

I'm not asking for a debate.  Can you share the "actual listing"?  I haven't seen it.  That's all I was asking.  Sorry for the confusion?

check page 1

[Adonna 22,063]

15 minutes ago, Jackie said:

check page 1

My guess you are referring to this.  I guess my thought is anyone could have made this up.  Where is this actually coming from?  I guess I was hoping for a direct official link/source.  But thanks!!

[Robertthenurse 3,696]

It’s a source lol that is the direct link babe. 

[Adonna 22,063]

2 minutes ago, Robertthenurse said:

It’s a source lol that is the direct link babe. 

Direct link to what? 

[Robertthenurse 3,696]

Also, maybe that’s why she trolled us on instagram with that photo shoot and I believe lyrics from Secret not too long ago? 

[Robertthenurse 3,696]

Just now, Adonna said:

Direct link to what? 

Oh gosh. Hun. Deathproof is the source. The end 

[Adonna 22,063]

3 minutes ago, Robertthenurse said:

Also, maybe that’s why she trolled us on instagram with that photo shoot and I believe lyrics from Secret not too long ago? 

Yes, I recall that.  Anyway, I want to make it clear that I'm not doubting anyone here... it's just we know how many people at this forum go through any thing else posted here with a fine tooth comb for authenticity.  We know people have posted images and audios that are fake, claiming it's real.  So it's not too hard fetch to ask where this image is actually coming from. 

[ChrisK 9,306]

1 minute ago, Adonna said:

Yes, I recall that.  Anyway, I want to make it clear that I'm not doubting anyone here... it's just we know how many people at this forum go through any thing else posted here with a fine tooth comb for authenticity.  We know people have posted images and audios that are fake, claiming it's real.  So it's not too hard fetch to ask where this image is actually coming from. 

I guess all will be confirmed in six weeks (1 October)

[Veronica-Electronica 511]

6 hours ago, GregVsMatt said:

Australian RSD stores participate in Black Friday RSD so you won't have any issues 

Phew! Great to hear. Thankyou. 

[ChrisK 9,306]

9 minutes ago, Veronica-Electronica said:

Phew! Great to hear. Thankyou. 

I know - I can't wait!

[Starchild 3,900]

13 hours ago, Nicmag said:

The meltdowns when all the tracks from this release, except Your Honesty, will be unreleased remixes LOL.

If she's going to include Your Honesty on it, then I hope she'll bother to have it properly mastered this time.

[Would You Like To Try 9,641]

10 minutes ago, Starchild said:

If she's going to include Your Honesty on it, then I hope she'll bother to have it properly mastered this time.

Yes please the 2003 master is very compressed