Debord

I'm just absolutely dying at folk presenting discussion of a woman's bottom as some brave truth-telling that shouldn't be censored. Get a grip!

I'm just absolutely dying at folk presenting discussion of a woman's bottom as some brave truth-telling that shouldn't be censored. Get a grip!

I'm just absolutely dying at folk presenting discussion of a woman's bottom as some brave truth-telling that shouldn't be censored. Get a grip!

You wrote that the show seemed unfinished and she seemed "lost", both of which are categorically untrue. One comment from her which could mean something as little as "I'm a bit tired" or "I have a cold" or "I'm sad about the world" doesn't make that correct.

You wrote that the show seemed unfinished and she seemed "lost", both of which are categorically untrue. One comment from her which could mean something as little as "I'm a bit tired" or "I have a cold" or "I'm sad about the world" doesn't make that correct.

You wrote that the show seemed unfinished and she seemed "lost", both of which are categorically untrue. One comment from her which could mean something as little as "I'm a bit tired" or "I have a cold" or "I'm sad about the world" doesn't make that correct.

The Maluma thing was a brief appearance at someone else's show. Whereas Lucky Star at Confessions was referencing Abba and disco and her start as a dance artist connecting to her recent mammoth dance hit. Which isn't Frida Kahlo but it's also not just knocking a song out for the hell of it.

You're just describing art, though. Literally all art is interpreted by people and great art is interpreted by people differently as time moves on. It is pretty uncontroversial to say that Madonna is an artist and she presents her concerts as pieces of theatre, and this 'oh please stop trying to read meaning into it' just smacks of an attitude that pop music doesn't warrant it, an attitude Madonna more than most dispelled long ago.

Here's the painting and the bit from the concert, and also Mother of Creation which I think referenced it too:

I think the fact she does Die Another Day, then Don't Tell Me (please don't tell me to stop), then Mother and Father with David into I Will Survive/LIB which she preceded with a speech about how her children saved her, DCFMA (I had to let it happen, I had to change) is pretty compelling in terms of that section being about how becoming a mother changed her and gave (and gives) her strength to carry on. Then Bedtime Story opens with her in a pose which recalls Frida Kahlo's My Birth, a painting she owns, which has obvious connections to the theme of the previous section but here leads into a creative rebirth.

I'll have a go since I've not seen it anywhere else.
Intro/Nothing Really Matters - an overview of her career, a thank you to the fans and an acknowledgement that she's now at a place of peace and maturity.
Everybody through to Holiday - her early years in New York, both as an artist and as a person with her friends. This ends with AIDS hitting at the end of Holiday which takes us to...
Live To Tell/Like A Prayer/Unholy/Act of Contrition - AIDS wreaking havoc in New York and the world, taking many of her friends and many others. Gay men are trapped inside this nightmare and face a society which thinks they deserve it. Madonna tries to help, not just her friends but by challenging moralism and speaking up for sexual liberation and tolerance. She is a warrior ally, which takes us to...
Erotica through to Vogue - Madonna being transgressive, pushing boundaries, celebrating the underground and the queer community and then...
Human Nature/Crazy for You - the backlash hits, both in Madonna's career and in society which sees a resurgent moralism. Though it's painful and turbulent at the time, Madonna embraces herself from that period, accepting everything she did and that she experienced with love.
Die Another Day through to Don't Cry For Me Argentina - Coming out the other end of the backlash, Madonna keeps going. She is a survivor and keeps going no matter what. A huge part of what enables her to do this is her family, which lays to rest the demons she has always battled regarding her mother's death.
Bedtime Story/Ray of Light/Rain - her embrace of electronic music sees her still pushing forward and breaking boundaries but ultimately takes her back to her roots. She feels the love of her fans again, which brings her peace.
Bitch I'm Madonna/Celebration - ending again with an overview of her career, a celebration of her iconic career, legacy and everyone who's been part of it on the way. But it ends abruptly, because she's not done yet. The future is still unwritten.

I'll have a go since I've not seen it anywhere else.
Intro/Nothing Really Matters - an overview of her career, a thank you to the fans and an acknowledgement that she's now at a place of peace and maturity.
Everybody through to Holiday - her early years in New York, both as an artist and as a person with her friends. This ends with AIDS hitting at the end of Holiday which takes us to...
Live To Tell/Like A Prayer/Unholy/Act of Contrition - AIDS wreaking havoc in New York and the world, taking many of her friends and many others. Gay men are trapped inside this nightmare and face a society which thinks they deserve it. Madonna tries to help, not just her friends but by challenging moralism and speaking up for sexual liberation and tolerance. She is a warrior ally, which takes us to...
Erotica through to Vogue - Madonna being transgressive, pushing boundaries, celebrating the underground and the queer community and then...
Human Nature/Crazy for You - the backlash hits, both in Madonna's career and in society which sees a resurgent moralism. Though it's painful and turbulent at the time, Madonna embraces herself from that period, accepting everything she did and that she experienced with love.
Die Another Day through to Don't Cry For Me Argentina - Coming out the other end of the backlash, Madonna keeps going. She is a survivor and keeps going no matter what. A huge part of what enables her to do this is her family, which lays to rest the demons she has always battled regarding her mother's death.
Bedtime Story/Ray of Light/Rain - her embrace of electronic music sees her still pushing forward and breaking boundaries but ultimately takes her back to her roots. She feels the love of her fans again, which brings her peace.
Bitch I'm Madonna/Celebration - ending again with an overview of her career, a celebration of her iconic career, legacy and everyone who's been part of it on the way. But it ends abruptly, because she's not done yet. The future is still unwritten.

Alas, they cannot be protected from stupid assholes.

And again she's not there. Please - show where she's watching closely and explain how many seconds corrupts her. Or just post another video, cos you do seem to want to keep watching the shocking footage.

Someone saying there's no such thing as transphobia, drag queens are using kids for validation and gay people need to go back in the closet is not 'not being politically correct', it's being far-right and responding to that with a gloopy 'everyone is entitled to their opinion' is very silly.

Can everyone please report this mad bigot? This is proper far-right stuff, it has no place on this forum.

Can everyone please report this mad bigot? This is proper far-right stuff, it has no place on this forum.

Oh fuck off.

As opposed to the rights concern for children, which extends as far as bleating about the harm caused by them knowing that LGBTQ people or sex exist, but not as far as ensuring they have the material means to live a healthy and secure life, that they don't face barriers in life just because of their sexual identity or gender or race, that they don't have to earn enough to live on or that they don't have to fave crippling bills just to have healthcare.

Indeed when she was asked about her children seeing her Sex book she said she would be perfectly happy for them to see it and she would explain what her intentions were. Treating your kids with respect and educating them is always the best path, rather than trying to insulate them from the world.

Indeed when she was asked about her children seeing her Sex book she said she would be perfectly happy for them to see it and she would explain what her intentions were. Treating your kids with respect and educating them is always the best path, rather than trying to insulate them from the world.

Yeah you're still there, pushing the deep unhappiness within yourself down by latching into a nasty politics which lashes out and externalises your pain by projecting it onto easy targets. Fortunately LGBTQ people are winning and will continue to win, whatever bile you write on the internet.

Opposing far-right views is not being 'a snowflake'. There's no superiority to be found in saying you feel fine with far-right views.

Someone saying there's no such thing as transphobia, drag queens are using kids for validation and gay people need to go back in the closet is not 'not being politically correct', it's being far-right and responding to that with a gloopy 'everyone is entitled to their opinion' is very silly.

Alas, they cannot be protected from stupid assholes.