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No offence but I don't think Lady Gaga innovated anything.  The electro-dance pop sound was already trending by the time she released The Fame (just the previous year we had Rihanna's Don't Stop The Music and Disturbia, Kylie Minogue's X album, Flo Rida's Low, Hilary Duff's Dignity album, M.I.A.'s Paper Planes.  Rihanna's SOS was already 3 years old by then.  The Dr. Luke/Max Martin/Bloodshy & Avant electro/rock/pop/hip hop sound was already in full swing after Kelly Clarkson's Since U Been Gone, Avril Lavigne's Girlfriend, The Veronicas 4Ever, Britney's Blackout and Circus albums.  The tropical pop vibes of Eh Eh Nothing Else I Can Say had Kevin Lyttle's Turn Me On and Paris Hilton's Stars Are Blind as a blueprint.  Musically, The Fame gave us nothing that hadn't come out before, just now with performance art lifted from David Bowie, Freddie Mercury, Elton John, and modern pop-art artists.
Or if we want to talk about how Alejandro's reggae pop was a callback to Ace of Base, Born This Way was Express Yourself 2.0, The Fashion of His Love was I Wanna Dance With Somebody 2011, You & I was a Shania Twain song + the step step clap of We Will Rock You... I can keep going.

I think Hollywood worked well as an interlude. On live renditions she always had problems with lyrics and ryrhm, nothing that she couldn't arrange with rehearsals but I think she wasn't into the song at all...
I also missed a live performance of Love profusion, and also including the already rehearsed I'm so stupid, we could talk about a proper American life tour, rather than a GH on disguise.

I think Hollywood worked well as an interlude. On live renditions she always had problems with lyrics and ryrhm, nothing that she couldn't arrange with rehearsals but I think she wasn't into the song at all...
I also missed a live performance of Love profusion, and also including the already rehearsed I'm so stupid, we could talk about a proper American life tour, rather than a GH on disguise.

No she hasn't, Madonna has been overseas the last 2 years, you notice the amount of attention she gets when shes out and about, look at Brazil and the amount of people standing outside of her hotel to get a view, look at the government officals/poliitcians who attended and don't even like her who attended, I believe she was even given a special key or made a special citizen. Taylor was over there and didn't get anywhere near the attention.  The video of her Italy for her birthday is another example, as well as her other tour stops in Spain, London where they flew a special flag for her outside the royal palace and had her lyrics of her songs spread thoughout the city with neon lights. I also remember 30, 000 people showing up at the airport to see her in the UK and her pepsi commercial which had over 240 million in ratings.
Who's reacting this to Taylor like this?
 

"Bitch I'm Madonna" sounds believable as a means to shut someone down. "Bitch I'm Taylor Swift" has no pull.

In order to have cultural impact, you need to be an innovator that initiates a certain kind of shift in the industry.
For example: When Lady Gaga appeared on the scene, you could feel and see how much other artists changed in order to be able to compete with her. The entire music industry went "Gaga". THAT is the kind of cultural and LASTING impact that Hitlor Swift will never have.
Taylor is a quantity over quality artist. She released 8 albums over the course of 4 years. That is the reason she is pulling these numbers. Does anything she do musically, fashion-wise or in other regard directly influence other artists, so that they start to adjust? No. Because she only has success, no true impact. She's a businesswoman, not much of an artist. She has a terrible voice, she can't dance or perform. She can write songs (many of them being extremely formulaic and following the same pattern). Her music is just extremely digestible, inoffensive, plain and perfectly adjusted to her target audience.
This is precisely, why she will never be viewed in the same way as someone like Madonna, Michael Jackson or Lady Gaga. These three actually had a kind of impact that went way beyond the money making machine that is Taylor.

And wearing double sunglasses indoor at night don't help 😂😂😂
Kidding, it could happen to anyone, i swear those little steps are the worse

She was like, not today, I'm not having another LFL moment - 

But......... she still hasn't surpassed Madonna in " best selling female artists of all time " 
Slay 💅🏻.... 

Imagine having that many people to panic and fuss when you almost trip. She lives like royalty.

I hate those people ... tell me the names, I'm gonna go after them!  

Their careers belong to different eras. Madonna's imperial years were when the physical format, real promo, radio support and international visibility were needed. Taylor is from the streaming, social media, multiple album editions , bulk buying and payola years. Even the "record" sales thing is rigged counting single and streaming data instead of REAL album sales. We cannot compare them because they belong to complete music industry eras.
Madonna's impact in every music related aspect, record sales and charts around the globe and legacy are something Taylor will never get as she's doing incredibly well but she's the most basic, scripted and most chart obsessed artist in the industry. And we better not talk about that mentally 7 year old fanbase.
Imagine Madonna's career if the internet and social media had been like today during her first 2 decades in the industry. 

Fans were asking for this about ages and not caring about supporting new material, complaining about 'too much new songs / she should do the hits / the demos are better' since Drowned World Tour... So here we are.

I actually think her "prettiness" is fairly overrated. She looks constipated all the time.

Outside the UK she has abotu 1-2 hit singles in Germany and France and that's about it, is the person who were comparing to Madonna dominated throughout Europe?
 This is just some of Madonna success in Europe:
  
I think it's comical how you're using the "in the last century" excuse for Madge as if that doesn't dismiss the first 20 years of her career  Regardless, she was the #1 female in the 20th century and is #3 in 21 century (2000-2022) in the UK. Who else did it like her from her generation? 
 
- She is both the most successful female artist in the RPM charts and in the Music & Media charts of continental Europe of all time.
- She has the longest-charting #1 album of all time in Europe (34 weeks).
- Has the most #1's out of any artist in history in Europe.
- More chart entries in Europe than any other artist in history.
- Highest-grossing female tour in Europe (for 17 years and counting now). 
- Best-selling non-Francophone international female artist.
- Highest attended show ever in France.
- Best-selling international female artist in Germany.
- More #1 albums in Germany than any other artists. 
- Most successful singles artist in German history.
- Best-selling album by a foreign artist in Italy. 
- More #1's in Italy than any other artist. 
- Highest attended show ever in Italy.
- Most #1's in the Netherlands by any artist in history.
- Best-selling compilation album (solo and female artist) in the UK. 
- #1 female of all time in the UK (last update January 2023) 
- Highest-grossing solo show in Wembley stadium. 
- More #1 albums in the UK than any other female artist.
- Most times for a female artist to simultaneously top the UK singles and albums charts in the UK.
- First female artist to dominate year-end singles and albums charts in the UK.
- Most #1's in Spain out of any artist in history. 
- Most #1's in Ireland out any artist in history. 
- fastest-selling show of all time in Estonia.
- fastest-selling show of all time in Romania.
- fastest selling show of all time in Portugal.
- biggest show of all time in Switzerland.
- biggest show ever in Czech Republic. 
- largest audience ever for a Nordic country.
- largest music concert in the history of Iberian Peninsula. 
 

Taylor Swift is only famous because she's pretty and blonde

 

Everything about Taylor's success is 100% artificial and inorganic.
1. She grew up in a very wealthy household and had absolutely everything handed to her.
2. She is and has always been extremely privileged. She was signed to a relatively small record label that was bought by her dad who had a major impact in shaping her career. She was essentially their only priority and pretty much all the promotion money went into her. She started out as a country singer with the intention of going into pop knowing that the best way to do it was to get the audience that rejected pop music and thought it was the music of the devil on her side (white midwest Christians). I knew a lot of girls and teens at that time who weren't allowed to listen to any pop music but were rather allowed to listen to Taylor because she was country and therefore obviously a Christian (and thought to be a Republican).
3. Once she went into pop she already had the bunch of snobbish, racist and sexist old white men that make up the majority of the voting panels in the music industry (Grammys, AMA, etc.) on her side. They would rather vote for someone with a country background over someone who is RnB or pop. It has been confirmed that she's considered the "lesser evil" for them.
4. This woman NEVER had to actually fight or battle the industry she tried to set foot in, she never had to experience the amount of sexism and scrutiny that Madonna had to suffer. In addition to that, she employed Kpop marketing to the marketing of her music. It's extremely exploitative and she encourages her fan's obsessive behavior and low-key manipulates them into working for her over-time. It's mind-control essentially.
5. She has been extremely local for the majority of her career. Her only other big global era was 1989 because of Shake It Off and Blank Space. Other than that, she's more known for the hype around her as a celebrity. If Americans say it's hip and cool to be a fan of her, girls abroad will follow them. It's the TikTok effect. For example: TikTok has also decided that Mariah Carey is cool and her shade is "funny", whereas Madonna is considered and ugly, bitter and talentless old hag. This app has got to GO.
6. She is incredibly narcissistic, egocentric and obsessive. Every time another artist was about to drop a new album or a single that could pose a threat to her chart position, she released another pointless collectible or variant of her album to block them. She deserves absolutely no praise or hype for the amount of mediocrity that she embodies.
The recipe of her success is this:
- Political neutrality for a long time throughout her career. Thus, garnering the support of most media outlets and not pissing off 50% of the American population. She avoids controversy as much as she can, her PR team is known to also bribe and sue certain media outlets, critics and reviewers if they write something negative about her.
- Constantly painting herself as a victim to stir up her fans against her personal enemies and ex-boyfriends. Her music also contains a lot of songs with her playing the victim. Her fans seem to identify a lot with that.
- Easily digestible and mostly inoffensive music that is supposed to be deep but is essentially just a blatant rip-off of Lana Del Rey's style of writing.
- Targeting straight teen girls in particular who usually don't listen to a lot of gay-coded artists and sway more towards male artists. They make up the majority of her fanbase. The gays appear more divided on her overall. Women are her target audience. That is not the case for artists like Madonna or Lady Gaga.
- Shady tactics to increase her sales and streaming numbers.

No she hasn't, Madonna has the most number 1 singles and top 10 globally for any artist and still has the most number 1 albums for any female artist globally. In Japan alone she has 25 number 1 singles  which is more than any artist on there billboard chart. True Blue is also the best selling album in Brazil, and she's also sold more albums there for any international act, she also still holds the record for attendance with 120,000, in fact Madonna overall attendance is 131, 000 in France and Taylor is 96,000 in Australia. My point is Madonna is globally more successful than her, Taylor wouldn't even be in the top 50  most succesful act in most of these countries including sales. I also believe on the US billboard despite all of Taylor tricks which I think will come back and bite her Madonna is still number 1 for solo act behind the Beatles. But I do blame Madonna team for not  updating  alot of her records/sales in Guinness and they barely promote her legacy.

Is this even a real conversation. Madonna IS the Queen of Pop. It is easy for someone like Taylor Swift to stroll through the doors that Madonna, and others, opened for her. She isn't paving any new paths or breaking down any barriers, and therefore, hasn't fought for anyone's rights or speak for those who can't speak out loud. She is safe and non controversial. She seems like a nice girl, but even Taylor knows Madonna is the Queen. I don't think that Taylor Swift has made any moves that will cement her place in pop music history. Just another popular star, one of many. In my opinion...

And again: Or simply, her music outside of the USA isn’t as powerful, and you don’t hear her songs unless you have a genuine interest in her. 
For example I hear Dua Lipa all time on the radio, I know her singles but they never play Taylor Swift. So, honey, I don't live under a rock. 

Fans were asking for this about ages and not caring about supporting new material, complaining about 'too much new songs / she should do the hits / the demos are better' since Drowned World Tour... So here we are.

Do we understand that, at more than five years since her last album, the most exciting thing for us is to wait for the first of october and see the tracklist of an anniversary limited edition of a 30 years old album so we could check if maybe we will really get one or - but only if we are very very lucky - two old unreleased songs ...

It's funny cause the press is  pumping her all over and talking about her almost everywhere, but nobody who is over 25 can name or sing any of her songs.
She may win a lot of now useless VMAS awards (is Mtv still a thing?), she may have million of streams, but she has very little impact on music and culture.
I think the thing that reminds me most of Madonna's success is all those girls trying to dress like her. I was in London in August and the trains were full of this new generation of "wannabes".  Still, dressing as Madonna was almost a rebel move, this look is just superficial, glittery and conformist.

Exactly. When I was young, Madonna was everywhere. Her music was unavoidable, whether you liked it or not (the same was true for artists like Michael Jackson, Tina Turner, etc, etc, etc). I know who Taylor Swift is, but I only know her by name—I’m not familiar with her music or videos because they don’t interest me. So, in my view, her cultural impact is nowhere near that of Madonna