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Which is why I'll always consider her as simply a product not an artist. I like my popstars to have some edge.

Not sure I can agree with that. In the 80’s she did. I think in the 90’s she became too controversial to maintain that same universal appeal. Taylor on the other will always be bland and so she won’t alienate her fanbase. The only risk is that people will get bored of her.

She has 0 cultural impact. Standing with a guitar singing about your ex has the cultutal impact of a pigeon on a roof. Shania Twain had way more charisma and personnality than her. She's the blandest succesful singer ever. 

Thing is, she’s right. Madonna isn’t the greatest actress. But if Madonna can’t act then Patti has no appeal and could never cross over to mainstream success for shit. She’s so damn boring and tries so hard to have a shady sound bite and it’s always Madonna. Girl it’s been nearly 3 decades. You didn’t get to play Evita in the movie. Get over it. You think America wanted to see a mug like yours blown up?! Get real! You’d think she’d take it graciously but she hasn’t let it go and always has to trash M in the media. Always. She tries to be so cunty but the fact is that she’s ugly af, can’t sing without that over the top musical theatre shit (could never stand musical theatre), and she doesn’t have mass appeal. She’s a cunt without the warmth. 

Thing is, she’s right. Madonna isn’t the greatest actress. But if Madonna can’t act then Patti has no appeal and could never cross over to mainstream success for shit. She’s so damn boring and tries so hard to have a shady sound bite and it’s always Madonna. Girl it’s been nearly 3 decades. You didn’t get to play Evita in the movie. Get over it. You think America wanted to see a mug like yours blown up?! Get real! You’d think she’d take it graciously but she hasn’t let it go and always has to trash M in the media. Always. She tries to be so cunty but the fact is that she’s ugly af, can’t sing without that over the top musical theatre shit (could never stand musical theatre), and she doesn’t have mass appeal. She’s a cunt without the warmth. 

The answer to this this thread is NO.  
 

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True! Most Swift fans are people I'd never want to hang out with. Basic beckys. No shade! But also no flavor. Severe lack of taste.

LMFAOOOOOO That scene! OMFG idky I ever put myself through the misery of watching that movie 4 FUCKING TIMES. You know that game where you lose the game every time you think about ‘the game’ or anyone mentions ‘the game’? That game is the phrase ass to ass for me. I’ll be at the grocery store and out of nowhere my brain is just like ‘ass to ass’. Hahaha

this slays me !!! and its so true too - her last album sold millions but no general music fan could probably even name one song of it(yet she still one loads of MTV awards - like that was a shock ) and yet everyone raves about how popular she is - imo she will never be in same league as M because she is not outspoken or takes any kind of artistic risks, she cant dance, has no sex appeal and just appeals to (mostly) vacuous teenage girls.... but i like her Lover album only ...

Madonna doesn’t hate her fans! 😠 well…only the handicapped who can’t stand up at her shows. 

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That's because limitation breeds creativity. If Guy said that she needs to stop hanging around gays and clean up her image a little to be his wife then it sure fucking worked for her output. Her creativity during their marriage was the best she had a very long time since. Limits can absolutely be a good thing.
Do I condone Guy's homophobia and misogyny? Absolutely not. He needed some limits of his own. You can't marry someone like Madonna, queen of the gays, their biggest supporter during their bleakest, darkest time period and not expect them around. You also can't shape a woman into being a stepford wife knowing full well that's not who she is. Madonna is the most macho woman out there. Get real, Guy. Still, as a fan, I greatly appreciate the influence he's had on her during those years.
As far as Kabbalah goes, I'm happy it worked for her for a time. But my belief is that many if not all of these spiritual teachers and/or religious institutions are grifters. We all learned the golden rule in Kindergarten. Treat others as you'd like to treat yourself. If you're pushing 40 (as she was then) and haven't learned this by that point, you're kind of a lost cause in my eyes.

That's because limitation breeds creativity. If Guy said that she needs to stop hanging around gays and clean up her image a little to be his wife then it sure fucking worked for her output. Her creativity during their marriage was the best she had a very long time since. Limits can absolutely be a good thing.
Do I condone Guy's homophobia and misogyny? Absolutely not. He needed some limits of his own. You can't marry someone like Madonna, queen of the gays, their biggest supporter during their bleakest, darkest time period and not expect them around. You also can't shape a woman into being a stepford wife knowing full well that's not who she is. Madonna is the most macho woman out there. Get real, Guy. Still, as a fan, I greatly appreciate the influence he's had on her during those years.
As far as Kabbalah goes, I'm happy it worked for her for a time. But my belief is that many if not all of these spiritual teachers and/or religious institutions are grifters. We all learned the golden rule in Kindergarten. Treat others as you'd like to treat yourself. If you're pushing 40 (as she was then) and haven't learned this by that point, you're kind of a lost cause in my eyes.

Was a great tour and ended on a perfect high note.
Onto the next.

or a musical. TCT can totally be turned into a musical.

That's because limitation breeds creativity. If Guy said that she needs to stop hanging around gays and clean up her image a little to be his wife then it sure fucking worked for her output. Her creativity during their marriage was the best she had a very long time since. Limits can absolutely be a good thing.
Do I condone Guy's homophobia and misogyny? Absolutely not. He needed some limits of his own. You can't marry someone like Madonna, queen of the gays, their biggest supporter during their bleakest, darkest time period and not expect them around. You also can't shape a woman into being a stepford wife knowing full well that's not who she is. Madonna is the most macho woman out there. Get real, Guy. Still, as a fan, I greatly appreciate the influence he's had on her during those years.
As far as Kabbalah goes, I'm happy it worked for her for a time. But my belief is that many if not all of these spiritual teachers and/or religious institutions are grifters. We all learned the golden rule in Kindergarten. Treat others as you'd like to treat yourself. If you're pushing 40 (as she was then) and haven't learned this by that point, you're kind of a lost cause in my eyes.

That's because limitation breeds creativity. If Guy said that she needs to stop hanging around gays and clean up her image a little to be his wife then it sure fucking worked for her output. Her creativity during their marriage was the best she had a very long time since. Limits can absolutely be a good thing.
Do I condone Guy's homophobia and misogyny? Absolutely not. He needed some limits of his own. You can't marry someone like Madonna, queen of the gays, their biggest supporter during their bleakest, darkest time period and not expect them around. You also can't shape a woman into being a stepford wife knowing full well that's not who she is. Madonna is the most macho woman out there. Get real, Guy. Still, as a fan, I greatly appreciate the influence he's had on her during those years.
As far as Kabbalah goes, I'm happy it worked for her for a time. But my belief is that many if not all of these spiritual teachers and/or religious institutions are grifters. We all learned the golden rule in Kindergarten. Treat others as you'd like to treat yourself. If you're pushing 40 (as she was then) and haven't learned this by that point, you're kind of a lost cause in my eyes.

Interestingly, some years ago she said that at that time she was behaving as Saintdonna cause Guy Ritchie wanted her that way, but that was not her real self so it all flopped. But I always thought it was her spirituality the cause of it. 
Anyway, being controversial is an essential element of her public persona, but at the same time General Public adores her always that she is not so controversial, no matter what she does: ROL, True Blue, Confessions, Music...all pure hit when she is not so focused on LOL disturbing the peace.

The K-hole, if you will.

I'm still amazed by how her whole life turned upside down when she hit 50, it feels like a curse. 
There were stories about the Church of Kaballah that were close to the ones we hear about Scientology, how they use big stars to attract the regular guy but thet never meet the stars who are in a totally different section. How they charge heavily for everything and try to control lives. How all this disappeared from the media is a miracle considering how Kaballah was pretty big in the news thanks to Madonna. 
And "healer" really is a high rank position in the church of kaballah.
From Caresse's sister itw she said that Kaballah got into Madonna's head and she mostly blames the church of kaballah than Madonna even though she thinks she's not innocent. So from that, i wondered if it was like for Scientology where a person from the member's entourage questioning the cult is considered "suppresive" and the member must cut ties with this person which could be an explanation. 
Many women from the Housewives franchise, especially the BH one joined Kaballah in the early 00. You don't see any celebrity talking about it anymore or wearing the red string....if the church still operates it's very low key. Has Ariana Grande talked about it ? Her mother joined it and Franky and Ari followed. 
I very recently learnt about the ties between the church, israel and malawi that date back from before Madonna. 
I know Madonna being in a cult is something fans rather forget about more than MDNA but it is another fascinating ramification in her incredibly eventful life like how she was heavily involved in gangsta rap feuds in the mid 90's, you can almost base a whole miniseries around every year or 6 month period of her life. Nobody Knows Me was no joke, she had so many lives.
 

Caresse's departure also coincides with a settlement they finally had with Warner regarding the sale of Maverick,  she was the negociator in this and she left right after the announcement of the deal. 
Also Madonna was based in London at the time and Caresse was still living in LA, she needed someone on a day to day basis which becker being in London was perfect for. She parted ways once she made up her mind to go back to New York. As much as Confessions was a huge worldwide success it was not really the case in the USA which pissed off Madonna, hence Hard Candy being totally manufactured for the american market, in some ways it's like a disco RnB version of Confessions. 
Sometimes people read too much into things when it's just business and not a soap opera. On the other hand i've recently been told the real reason why her friendship with Gwyneth ended is not really Tracy Anderson but Madonna wanted Gwyneth to star in a movie she directed ( the person could not tell if it was F&W or WE) and she did not want to, Madonna twisted her arm into doing it but Gwyneth did not falter other sources say she wanted to Gwyneth to publicly support her with the adoption of David because Madonna felt no one was defending her. And between Swept away and Confessions she was undergoing hormonal therapy to get pregnant. And the Kaballah aspect was totally out of control as they were using rabbis as marital therapists and Kaballah (Torah) to win arguments over each other (guy & madonna) which was all the time. Another thing no ones ever mentionned, the mysterious woman who supposedly called her to ask her to do something about Malawi is bs. The church of Kaballah had already established itself in Malawi and the Bergs are the ones who told Madonna about it and how she could be "a healer" and seen as a dogooder, in fact it started as far as when the same rabbi told her to make these children books to fund the spirituality for kids charity which turned out to be an embezzlement. Madonna sought help from many governments and i know that the french government turned down her request because upon inspection the charity was heavily involved in Kaballah which is registered as a cult in France. They made her think she was special and had healing powers, was a superior being....which is funny considering she said many times Kaballah was responsable for taming her ego, in fact they controlled it to take her money and use her as a pawn to attract new followers. It all blew up when officials and the press investigated into her Malawi venture and she discovered she had been robbed, all the money she invested to build schools was gone. Tracy Anderson's bf was the one in charge. She sought help from Jeffrey Sachs and he really saved her ass in Malawi. Then the Bergs died. But yes, Madonna was heavily manipulated by the church of Kaballah in every aspect of her life and i wonder how it affected her and what it mentally did to her because it was her whole life. Everything she had built in the late 90's, early 00's was gone : her marriage, her "religion", Maverick, people close to her etc...I don't know what her ties are now to Michael Berg or the Church of Kaballah, it disappeared miraculously from the media and no one paid attention to it or said anything. Very good PR. As in almost every era of Madonna's life there's a big story there which has not been revealed at all. 
 

She was known for selling fake signed pictures , to cost her drugaddiction

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