Debord

Holding people responsible for what they support is not "shaming" and we don't "move forward" by pretending all beliefs are informed and all politics is equivalent.

Holding people responsible for what they support is not "shaming" and we don't "move forward" by pretending all beliefs are informed and all politics is equivalent.

Holding people responsible for what they support is not "shaming" and we don't "move forward" by pretending all beliefs are informed and all politics is equivalent.

Anyone who justifies voting for bigoted parties because "their sexuality isn't a big part of their lives" is either extremely privileged or extremely dumb (or both).
With regards to Swae Lee, would Madonna even have been able to know? Was he outspoken in supporting Trump previously?

But again, what people believe doesn't mean anything. If your friends are voting for Trump and denying he's anti-LGBTQ, they're just wrong.

Anyone who justifies voting for bigoted parties because "their sexuality isn't a big part of their lives" is either extremely privileged or extremely dumb (or both).
With regards to Swae Lee, would Madonna even have been able to know? Was he outspoken in supporting Trump previously?

No I meant Swae Lee.

Anyone who justifies voting for bigoted parties because "their sexuality isn't a big part of their lives" is either extremely privileged or extremely dumb (or both).
With regards to Swae Lee, would Madonna even have been able to know? Was he outspoken in supporting Trump previously?

Folk didn't even know this was happening until fairly recently. It's a deal done by Madonna which has her song in the biggest film in the world. She probably has some idea what she's doing and as fans we should enjoy the exposure rather than worrying about what might be (I mean in all likelihood a new release would probably chart at number 83 if lucky and then vanish).

No I meant Swae Lee.

No-one knew who he was in 2016 tho. 

I'm sorry you apparently didn't understand the sentence. The second part of it was "...and that it's all entirely subjective, when political parties have actual policies and actual stances and have actual real-life consequences for people." I thought that made it pretty clear that I was saying stanning a pop star = entirely subjective, our political choices = not entirely subjective, but I'm happy to explain it to you again.

What point do you even think you're making here? If those guys responded to factual criticism of Kamala Harris by saying 'don't judge me, this is my belief' then my words would equally apply. They don't mean 'people should never reference pop culture with regards to politics'. Hope that's cleared that up for you.

But again, what people believe doesn't mean anything. If your friends are voting for Trump and denying he's anti-LGBTQ, they're just wrong.

Well personally speaking it's not that I don't 'care' about Madonna, it's that I'm long past the age and mentality where I particularly care about the charts.

Folk didn't even know this was happening until fairly recently. It's a deal done by Madonna which has her song in the biggest film in the world. She probably has some idea what she's doing and as fans we should enjoy the exposure rather than worrying about what might be (I mean in all likelihood a new release would probably chart at number 83 if lucky and then vanish).

Except it's not like saying you're heterosexual, because heterosexuality is illegal nowhere in the world, people don't get fired from jobs or abused on the street for being heterosexual, no-one has to tell people they're heterosexual and worry about the reaction and so on. No political party seeks to demonise heterosexuals *specifically* and attack their rights (there are parties which seek to attack e.g. reproductive rights, but only of women, not of heterosexuals generally).

Except it's not like saying you're heterosexual, because heterosexuality is illegal nowhere in the world, people don't get fired from jobs or abused on the street for being heterosexual, no-one has to tell people they're heterosexual and worry about the reaction and so on. No political party seeks to demonise heterosexuals *specifically* and attack their rights (there are parties which seek to attack e.g. reproductive rights, but only of women, not of heterosexuals generally).

When i was at school I really got into David Bowie and Joni Mitchell and none of my peers were interested - it's just a fact that the vast majority of 'music fans' aren't really interested in music beyond what's popular, whatever year it is. The folk who do actually love music are the ones who always go investigating to find what's influenced the current crop and folk like that will always listen to artists like Madonna.

When i was at school I really got into David Bowie and Joni Mitchell and none of my peers were interested - it's just a fact that the vast majority of 'music fans' aren't really interested in music beyond what's popular, whatever year it is. The folk who do actually love music are the ones who always go investigating to find what's influenced the current crop and folk like that will always listen to artists like Madonna.

When i was at school I really got into David Bowie and Joni Mitchell and none of my peers were interested - it's just a fact that the vast majority of 'music fans' aren't really interested in music beyond what's popular, whatever year it is. The folk who do actually love music are the ones who always go investigating to find what's influenced the current crop and folk like that will always listen to artists like Madonna.

I will never fail to be amused by this idea some have that if you're not writing essays tearing apart a woman's face and grasping at straws to psychoanalyse her rather than thinking "hey, maybe the issue is with me, my ageing and the things I get nostalgiac about", you're some loon fan who's in denial. 

The entire point of intersectionality is that things interact with regards to privilege. A homeless white woman is clearly not more privileged than Beyonce.
Anyway, only a Madonna forum could turn her doing something cute for her queer fans into...this!

Christ, we're in a Madonna forum, can we stick a pin in the folk obsessively posting Taylor Swift gifs everywhere please?

Christ, we're in a Madonna forum, can we stick a pin in the folk obsessively posting Taylor Swift gifs everywhere please?