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WTF have this topic turned into? FFS............

WTF have this topic turned into? FFS............

WTF have this topic turned into? FFS............

WTF have this topic turned into? FFS............

WTF have this topic turned into? FFS............

I don't think things would be much different. Maybe if the album was more sucessful she would have been bolder and chosen a less commercial song as the final single but at the end of the day I'm pretty sure we would still have Deeper and Deeper and Rain as singles.
I never cared for Bye Bye Baby as single, such a silly song. It makes sense on the context of the album because it needs something lighter to balance it out but as a single? Up there with Dear Jessie as the worst choices up until the Interscope days for me. I don't care for the remixes either and the VMA performance is her most boring awards performance, and I like the performance on the tour but something was off that night.

WTF have this topic turned into? FFS............

WTF have this topic turned into? FFS............

WTF have this topic turned into? FFS............

WTF have this topic turned into? FFS............

Celebration was cursed from day 1 and stil haunting us after all these years. 
The running order, selection of songs, the poor remastering, the lack of cohesiveness of the chosen versions, botched edits... a nightmare. 

Keep Celebration and Revolver as singles, delete the rest from existence and make a cronological playlist with the single edits/versions instead, I'd say.

Celebration was cursed from day 1 and stil haunting us after all these years. 
The running order, selection of songs, the poor remastering, the lack of cohesiveness of the chosen versions, botched edits... a nightmare. 

Keep Celebration and Revolver as singles, delete the rest from existence and make a cronological playlist with the single edits/versions instead, I'd say.

Personaly: very important. 
But I think that overall to the general public of non-english speak countries not so much. The reason her music resonates even with that barrier is because of the melodies and her delivery, making it universal.

* Did you finger fu- -ed Martin?
 

* Did you finger fu- -ed Martin?
 

It just occurred to me that she'll have blast when she turns 69.  

A sweet 16 66 to the coolest of them all, still. 

It just occurred to me that she'll have blast when she turns 69.  

A sweet 16 66 to the coolest of them all, still. 

I agree with most of what you are saying here, it really was a rough ere production and sound wise. Every pop girl album from that era sounds awful.

But the biggest offender on MDNA are the bones of the songs. There isn't great pop songs there, some good, yes, but none is great.
I can name at least 3 songs from Britney, Katy, Kesha, Gaga and Rihanna from that era that are bonafide pop songs. Add that Madonna would always have a bigger expectation because of her back catalog and the fact that these girls were dominating the pop scene for 3 years while she was away making movies and came back with that... 

I Like GMAYL, but imagine if she cameback with something as good as Kesha's TikTok or Robyn's Dancing on My Own, even with the same chart run that GMAYL had it would be perceived as an achievement to someone was with her age. She didn't need Minaj for that.
 

I agree with most of what you are saying here, it really was a rough ere production and sound wise. Every pop girl album from that era sounds awful.

But the biggest offender on MDNA are the bones of the songs. There isn't great pop songs there, some good, yes, but none is great.
I can name at least 3 songs from Britney, Katy, Kesha, Gaga and Rihanna from that era that are bonafide pop songs. Add that Madonna would always have a bigger expectation because of her back catalog and the fact that these girls were dominating the pop scene for 3 years while she was away making movies and came back with that... 

I Like GMAYL, but imagine if she cameback with something as good as Kesha's TikTok or Robyn's Dancing on My Own, even with the same chart run that GMAYL had it would be perceived as an achievement to someone was with her age. She didn't need Minaj for that.
 

Superstar is kinda the worst song she ever recorded.

Rushed? Yes. Bought songs? Yes as well. But I don't buy this whole "no passion, calculated" narrative some fans have put over "MDNA" over the years. Yes, the superficial songs are superficial indeed, but she really exposed her soul on that album, songs like "Gang Bang", "I Don't Give A", "Love Spent", "Best Friend"... There's nothing soulless in all of them and she was exposing herself completely, almost too much. There's a lot of anger and confusion there. A whole feeling all the time of "what the hell has happened". It was really her second divorce album, but instead of an introspective one like "Like A Prayer", we got a horny, middle age woman, nasty divorce,  I don't give a f**k one.
I find a lot of truth in "MDNA" honestly. Of course we can discuss the quality of the music but that's personal preference in the end. I agree is definitely not one of her best sounding albums, but I dare anyone to try to find great sounding audio on most of mainstream pop music during those years, peak of loudness war and tiny MP3 players, everything was mastered with those in mind. Not an excuse, but an explanation.

* Did you finger fu- -ed Martin?
 

It just occurred to me that she'll have blast when she turns 69.  

A sweet 16 66 to the coolest of them all, still. 

* Did you finger fu- -ed Martin?