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18 minutes ago, Adonna said:
Not a contest to me. Taylor has rightfully so been a huge success. She's very huge, and yes on the the same popularity level Madonna was in the 80's or 90's. As for her music being as impactful as Madonna, I'd say "No". I just wanted to get my two cents in before the this thread turns into a shit show, bashing Taylor! There is no doubt Taylor's been quite influential these days and I feel like she's on the right side of things!!
2 minutes ago, Pootz333 said:Her fans will say "Yes, of course."
M fans will say "YeaTah, sure, drop dead."
Different strokes for different folks.
Something is strange, though. As @nito84bcn mentioned in another thread, when Madonna was Taylor Swift's age and years before she was her age, she was not cumulating as many awards...
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This is not an anti-Taylor Swift thread. And we all know Taylor Swift and Madonna are two different and very unique artists. This is just a question... A very honest, brutally honest question. Has Taylor Swift surpassed Madonna all-around?
1. In terms of social and pop culture impact. First, it was Paula Abdul; she started outselling Madonna in the United States. And for a brief period, Britney Spears seemed to be on her way to supplant Madonna... Until the kiss. And then it was Lady Gaga. And not so long afterwards, Taylor Swift ended up outselling and surpassing Lady Gaga. According to Elton John, Taylor Swift is a great songwriter, great artist, the biggest phenomenon since The Beatles. (And you know he'd never say that about Madonna! He even threw a fit when Madonna beat him for best songwriter at the Golden Globes.)
2. In terms of peak longevity... It seems like Taylor Swift's peak just never ends! From that 2009 VMAs moment (essentially her consecration and initiation) during which Kanye West interrupted her to her many wins last night at the 2024 VMAs, some would argue that her peak is outlasting Madonna's (though Madonna has had many peaks and highlights during her career).
3. In terms of artistry, mainly songwriting. Madonna is the author and producer (usually executive producer and co-song producer) of the vast majority of her catalogue. Madonna is also oftentimes the vocal melodist and/or co-composer. Madonna has some sole songwriting credits, and she plays the guitar. Taylor Swift and Madonna seem equal on those fronts, but many are under the impression Taylor Swift is more of a songwriter (a singer-songwriter as opposed to a singer and songwriter) and more of a guitarist. Heck, Taylor Swift was recently voted the eighth best guitarist of the last two decades!
4. In terms of youth appeal. Taylor Swift is now 34 years old and still appeals a lot to youngsters. At age 34, Madonna was singing "Erotica," "Deeper and Deeper," "Fever," "Bad Girl" & "Rain" and was perhaps seen as more adult contemporary. And as soon as she hit 35 and went on her Girlie Show Tour, some media already started calling her "old" and "grandma."
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Note: I must admit that the fame of Taylor Swift, esp. in this digital era, is unprecedented! I sometimes read that the era of big legendary megastars is over, but this doesn't seem to be the case of Taylor Swift.
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@Prayer Thx for the information.
That said, I still find it odd on their part. The rights holders of a CD music album or single can legally upload and market the contents of said CD, and it's not like Madonna or any other one of the rights holders would have objected to CD files being used instead of digitalized master files if some of the latter were missing (and I'm sure Warner was authorized anyway).
The only objection to using CD files is if the CD is damaged or maybe too old, which could compromise the sound quality (even if the tracks don't skip). And in Warner's case, they could easily and instantly have obtained new or like-new CD albums with the missing digitized masters (besides, those CDs were printed millions of times). All they had to do in that case was rip the WAVE files straight from the CDs. It would have been better than what was done instead because of some technicality.
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6 minutes ago, Adonna said:
Are they "intentional" though? I don't think so. For ardent fans it may be noticeable but for most anyone else, it isn't.
Some of those errors are intentional. When uploading Madonna, they took care to create a shorter edit of the Q-Sound Mix of "Holiday" to use instead of the original. And when uploading The Immaculate Collection, they discarded the Q-Sound Mixes of "Lucky Star" and "Borderline" and used longer and older mixes instead. And I read the version of "Crazy for You" available on the digital Something to Remember is different than the CD one.
In all cases, it would have been easier to upload the tracks as they appeared on those CDs instead of making the extra effort of discarding certain versions and replacing them.
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7 minutes ago, Adonna said:
That's my position for most of these errors, etc., the hard core fans point out. Many people accessing won't even know any different or care.
But why such errors in the first place? Some of those were obviously intentional.
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On 9/6/2024 at 5:35 AM, Prayer said:
Plus "Holiday" is a tricky one for them: it would force them to fix the weird situation with an edit of the "Immaculate" Q-Sound version being the version on the digital "Madonna" album and the one of the song with most streams.
That can't have been random, and I wonder who had that idea. They should replace that edit with the original album/12" version of "Holiday." All the streams of that edit would count towards the original album version and perhaps also the Celebration version. Or they could have that edit (Q-Sound Mix Edit) as a bonus track on the digital "Holiday" single (whenever they release it).
As for the playlists that list the edit, the playlisters could always opt for the version available on The Immaculate Collection or Finally Enough Love.
They should also fix "Lucky Star" and "Borderline" on The Immaculate Collection and replace them with the Q-sound mixes, and also fix "Crazy for You" on Something to Remember (apparently, the digital upload is not the same as the original CD version). And they need to fix several more mistakes as well: erroneous or superfluous song subtitles on The Immaculate Collection ("Crazy for You," "Into the Groove," "La Isla Bonita"), erroneous song subtitle on I'm Breathless ("Vogue"), duplicate track (was that fixed yet?) on the "Deeper and Deeper" EP, missing subtitles and erroneous first track on the "Borderline" single, and maybe a few more.
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Madonna still currently has over 40M monthly listeners on Spotify, and that's a lot due to Popular (that now has over 900M streams). Years ago, Madonna had around 20M monthly listeners. I knew that a great, well-promoted collab could up her numbers. Y'all cannot deny the immense power of The Weeknd, Billie Eilish, Taylor Swift and other such megastars.
As for Rihanna, she hasn't released much these past years but is currently number 6 in the world w/ over 84M monthly listeners, which is quite impressive. Maybe she should have Madonna on her comeback single if there is ever one.
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@missberic @Nowheretohide Wasn't Celebration reprinted without the errors?
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On 8/16/2024 at 8:52 PM, I am madonna said:
It's normal to feel that way. The reason you feel that way is because you've seen Madonna's face worse than that since then for a long time. There's a paper on excessive plastic surgery and psychiatry and I'll explain it to you.
1.This is a normal face without plastic surgery.
2.This is the face of the first stage of plastic surgery.
3. Comparing the above two faces, most people think the first stage of plastic surgery is more beautiful than the one before plastic surgery.
4. And this is the second stage of plastic surgery.
5. Let's compare the first stage of plastic surgery with the second stage of plastic surgery. Here, people's opinions are divided according to taste. Some say the first stage is more beautiful, while others say the second stage is more beautiful. Because up to this point, it is not a very excessive plastic surgery, but an acceptable level of plastic surgery, so the evaluation is divided according to taste.
6. And This is the third stage of plastic surgery. It has definitely started to cross the line now. People start to feel sorry for that look, saying, "Ewwww" "Why?"
7. Comparing the second stage of plastic surgery with third stage. Most people feel the second stage is more beautiful. And people say she had to stop plastic surgery at the second stage. And People say, "Why did she ruin that beautiful face herself!!"
8. But that's not the end. Let's look at the fourth stage of plastic surgery. Yeah.. It looks like terrible and horrible photoshopped photos that Ricardo creates. People just sigh. "OH... MY... GOD...Why? Why? Ewwwww"
9.And Here comes a very Very interesting point. Let's compare the third and fourth stages of plastic surgery.
Until they saw the horrific images of stage four, people thought stage three would be the worst. But those who are accustomed to seeing stage four, which is even more dreadful than that, are now beginning to misthink that stage three face look normal and beautiful when they look at photos from stage three!
You guys are So critical at that time but now that photo FEEL looks so beautiful? You may not want to admit it, but the reason you feel that way is Because you've gotten used to her much worse plastic surgery face (plus Useless Riacrdo's horrible photoshope photos) since that picture.
Thx for posting. The first stage looks the best to me.
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18 hours ago, MPowered said:
I like the Portugese tracks the most but the issue with MX is the lack of good melodies, the terrible vocal production and in some cases, the writing. It’s also a bit inconsistent in terms of styles.
You’re reading too much into it. Hard Candy was the divorce album. She was going through a breakup at that time. It’s apparent on Incredible, Miles Away and She's Not Me. That was the "escapist" album.
For MDNA she just didn’t have the time to actually write and produce a full album's worth of songs. She was focusing on directing her movie and raising 4 children on her own. I don’t blame her for that but maybe it would have been better to just go on tour with a GH Tour that year following the Superbowl HTS instead of forcing herself to create a mixtape of songs with 50% not written or produced by her.
There are some personal and introspective moments on the album, yes. But they get lost in the bunch of hand-me-down tracks not actually written or produced by her. That, paired with the lack of quality in almost every aspect of this album makes it her second worst in my opinion and that of many fans.
The opposite was the case for me. I liked MDNA at first but my god…it has aged like milk that was already partially spoiled.
Hard Candy still sounds fresh and that Timbaland/Neptunes sounds is making a comeback.
YES! 🙌🏼
Madonna still co-wrote and co-produced every single song—incl. additional lyrics, modified lyrics to certain songs just like she did "Open Your Heart," "Papa Don't Preach" and "Justify My Love" years prior. After decades of songwriting, such collaborations may be beneficial, esp. if inspiration goes down.
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On 8/10/2024 at 1:26 AM, Craigypants said:
I never buy or listen to iTunes versions. They are only 226 KPS or something. That is not a lossless recording no matter what Apple claims.
its 16 Bits & 1411 for CDs. 24 bits For Hi Res or Vinyl.
I know where to get a flac file or wav for this and I'm not paying. I have spent thousands of dollars on Madonna. I'm sure most of us have.
iTunes versions are encoded in 256 kbps AAC. According to most sources, 256 kbps AAC is slightly superior to 320 kbps MP3, while at least one source claims the opposite.
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2 hours ago, Prayer said:
It's sad how mastering can totally ruin an album, yes. "MDNA" has its own flaws, yeah, but I think it would be more appreciated with better mastering (or at least with the 1st master as the final and not the 2nd more compressed one).
From 2013-2014 loudness war died a little bit and producers and mixers generally tried to reach a less aggressive sound - also the change of tide in mainstream music from high energetic EDM to a more vibey relaxed sound forced them too in a way. Also, platforms like Spotify started to normalize all tracks so between that and radio dying, there was really no need to push for higher levels than everyone else to try to compete for attention.
I think the bad Warner remasters ("True Blue 35th", "Gambler", "Everybody") are just automatic/AI generated honestly. I refuse to believe a human ear did those and was happy with them.
But a human ear approved them, though. Depressing.
Spotify (desktop and mobile apps) has a volume normalization option that one can unselect. The web browser version and 3rd-party devices (e.g. speakers and TVs) don’t use loudness normalization.
https://support.spotify.com/us/artists/article/loudness-normalization/
Conclusion:
Personalizing your listening experience on Apple Music and Spotify can significantly enhance your enjoyment of music. By turning off ‘Sound Check’ and ‘Normalize’, you allow yourself to hear the music in its purest form, as it was originally mixed and mastered. This can lead to a more dynamic and authentic listening experience, though you might notice more variation in volume across different tracks.
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Have you ever heard any of these Madonna songs on terrestrial radio lately? "Angel," "Gambler," "Rescue Me," "Causing a Commotion," "Erotica," "Justify My Love," "This Used to Be My Playground," "Bitch I'm Madonna," "Girl Gone Wild," "Jump," "You'll See," "You Must Love Me," "Hanky Panky," "Papa Don't Preach," etc.?
What Madonna songs do you still hear on the radio? I recently heard "Popular."
Do you hear a wider selection of Madonna songs on commercial playlists played in stores? (Stores either play music from the radio or commercial playlists.)
Do you still hear "Like a Prayer" considering its 7" version is still over 5 minutes long.
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On 8/10/2024 at 5:01 AM, Prayer said:
We've commented on other topics in the past. The "Celebration" version is a slowed down/pitched down version of the original, for some reason (using a different source or adjusting it in the remastering), it's slightly slower than the original album version and that's what causes Spotify to not recognize them automatically as the same version and not merge streams between them unless Warner eventually asks for it.
I recommend listening with headphones to appreciate the difference:It's veeeeery subtle and most people won't notice and/or care, but the "Celebration" version is not right.
I would have used the 7" version:
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On 8/3/2024 at 1:28 AM, littlestartman said:
Britney doesn't have a team anymore.
The movie is based on the book which she biography she clearly co-wrote (its a very simple book). If anything having the movie closes her entertainment chapter and she can move on. She has A list producers and Director attached... Its going to be a huge release.
Madonna is the one directing her own biopic that will have things contested by ther own memory and refuses to hire a talented team to do her film
Britney does have a team—her manager Cade Hudson (she was just recently spotted leaving his house) and some other parties as well.
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https://www.discogs.com/master/65456-Madonna-Dress-You-Up?image=2558600.SW1hZ2U6NDUyNTQ4MzU%3D
Canadian 7" single
"Dress You Up" (remix/edit) – 3:45
"Shoo-Bee-Doo" (LP version) – 5:14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dress_You_Up#Track_listing_and_formats
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40 minutes ago, club78boy said:
Actually, the commercial release of Dress You Up in Canada did include the remix/edit - untitled. I own a copy and can confirm.
True. I have it too.
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18 hours ago, Redha DBL said:
Ok i see it's causing a huge fuss on the board cause i said i find the Like a vigin album her most "dated" album. It seems i don't get the sense of "dated" very well. As most of you probably know, english is not my natural language so it can happen that i use a word when actually it doesn't precisely mean what i'm trying to say. First of all i'm never ever gonna judge a piece of art by its release date and if i had to do so i'll probably rate anything old way higher than anything new. May it be music, film or art in general, i prefer by far anything from the past. I usually don't really love anything made with virtual assistance, so in a way, i prefer everything made pre 2000. I get from the answers that have been posted that "dated" mean old and that's the last thing i'd use to qualify something i don't like, quite the opposite, old is a usually a guarantee of good quality for me when it comes to music and movies. Now to get back to the Like a Virgin topic, according to my tastes, it's her 80's album that i like the less. I think the tracks lacks a freshness (even that word i'm not sire is the right one to express what i feel). Even if it was 1984, i could say the same, so it's not a question of time or date that i wanna express. All of her 80ns album have a freshness, less for Like a Prayer but it's a personnal album so it's coherent. Like a Virgin, to me, is not a really personnal and doesn't have that freshness. I think it's better explained that way.
"Dated" doesn't simply means "old." In terms of music, it means exactly what you meant—that you find its sound very 1984/1985 and not as timeless as some of her other albums. Your use of English was perfect there.
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On 5/21/2024 at 12:02 PM, Prayer said:
There's only one album per artist listed, so LAP will be the only Madonna album there.
That whole list is a joke though. They're revealing the higher positions now and... well, joke.
Beyoncé, Beatles, Prince, Stevie Wonder and Radiohead have two albums on the list.
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18 minutes ago, musicinferno said:
I'm positive there will be a later version made for video or streaming that will likely have footage from numerous shows, mainly from Rio. This is the first time we'll have 2 pro shot shows since The Girlie Show
Didn't Re-Invention Tour have two pro-shots?
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21 hours ago, steady75 said:
Would you consider a video edit an official edit?
If the video is official, yes.
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On 3/9/2024 at 11:55 AM, steady75 said:
Into The Groove has actually had a lot of stuff on its various formats
- "Into the Groove" (Single Version) – 4:43
- "Shoo-Bee-Doo" (LP Version) – 5:16
- "Physical Attraction" (Single Edit) – 3:55
- "Who's That Girl" (Extended Version) – 6:29
- "Causing a Commotion" (Silver Screen Mix) – 6:39
- "Into the Groove" (Extended Remix) – 8:31
- "Into the Groove" (Remix Dub) – 6:22
- "Everybody" (Extended Remix) – 7:06
- "Everybody" (LP Version) – 4:52
- Into The Hollywood Groove
I so hope it gets its only release and isn't lumped in with Angel as this artwork is just too Iconic.
What I wish for:
1. Into the Groove
2. Everybody (LP Edit)
3. Shoo-Bee-Doo
4. Into the Groove (Video Edit)
5. Into the Groove (Movie Mix)
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Just a side note regarding Britney… I so wish they had ended the conservatorship right after the 2009 Circus Tour as they had told her. Britney was reportedly told an extension of the c-ship would help her obtain insurance for that tour, and that once the tour was over, the “permanent” c-ship would be lifted.
Britney went through the whole tour—97 shows across the world! I don’t need to tell you the amount of discipline it requires w/ all that travelling and rehearsing. And she had to face the public, perform well for her fans. She did not miss one show! Only one concert was cancelled due to a contractual dispute.
The tour proved that she was of good sanity and stability. They should have ended the c-ship as early as possible afterwards and just made sure she still had access to therapists, doctors, financial advisers, etc. But no… They instead pretended she was still “gravely disabled” and “susceptible to undue influence” in order to keep her on a leash. It’s only in late 2021 that they finally ended it after Britney’s father stopped fighting it. No wonder she’s admittedly so broken, but I hope she totally heals from it, whether or not she goes back to recording and performing the way she used to.
Very honestly, has Taylor Swift surpassed Madonna all-around?
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Even when Madonna was younger than Taylor Swift, she was not winning as many awards. Taylor Swift just rakes everything in year after year after year. Does this mean that things are overhyped these days? Or maybe the industry sees Taylor Swift as that brilliantly talented. Or maybe Taylor has the bestest connections!