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Yes, Asia is where most of the manipulating streams come from, even  the Chinese government said you can't trust the info coming from them in regards of sales. Japan is the only country that has an open market with charts and sales and Taylor doesn't do that well over there as one would think which is why her fans are so dismissive of Japan. You would be hard pressed to find sales for most international artist in China and other places which is why I found it hard to believe that we got sales from Taylor regarding some of her albums, they claimed one of her albums  sold over million there but it was later discovered she signed a contract with someone and return they agreed to do a write up claiming she sold over a million. Atrl.net has a large asian fanbase and they talk about alot of this stuff.

Outside of a few places she doesn't sell well or chart well either. In Austria where she had to cancel her show, she has sold very little albums there and has never charted well in that country despite selling out shows there. U2 has been one of the most succesful touring acts for decades now and so has the stones but when is the last time they had a successful album or hit single. Her tour for most overseas is just something that people are going to, in fact in some of the places she toured the crowd was mostly Americans not the locals who went to see her,  an example is in Spain she sold out shows but has like 2 hits singles from years ago and 1 album that charted well over there. 

I would also like to add no one cares about cultural impact at least the younger generation, their all about numbers. One has to ask why did Taylor sign a contract with Iheart to play her songs 24/7 for a week to inflate her sales? She still fell a million short from breaking Adele record who did it naturally since then she released 40 different variants to help sell the record that would've dropped off the charts a longtime ago. She manipulates alot of this and again I think it will catch up with her.

No she hasn't, Madonna has been overseas the last 2 years, you notice the amount of attention she gets when shes out and about, look at Brazil and the amount of people standing outside of her hotel to get a view, look at the government officals/poliitcians who attended and don't even like her who attended, I believe she was even given a special key or made a special citizen. Taylor was over there and didn't get anywhere near the attention.  The video of her Italy for her birthday is another example, as well as her other tour stops in Spain, London where they flew a special flag for her outside the royal palace and had her lyrics of her songs spread thoughout the city with neon lights. I also remember 30, 000 people showing up at the airport to see her in the UK and her pepsi commercial which had over 240 million in ratings.
Who's reacting this to Taylor like this?
 

Thank you, this is what I’ve been trying to say from the start.
There are modern artists whose music I don’t particularly enjoy, but you still end up knowing their singles, even if you don’t want to. With Taylor Swift, though, it’s different. I know her as a successful singer because of the news and the internet, but I’ve barely heard any of her music on the radio, TV, or elsewhere, unlike artists like Billie Eilish, Ed Sheeran, The Weeknd, Harry Styles, Lady Gaga, Dua Lipa, and others, whose music I come across more frequently. 
And that's why I believe, in my opinion, that Madonna's music is well-known worldwide, while Taylor Swift's music isn’t as widely recognized

That is very true. However, a lot of extremely obsessive fanbases (mainly Chinese, Japanese and Korean) use certain software (so called "streaming farms") to stream song or music in an endless loop but with quadrupled streams. Taylor has these obsessive fans, especially in the aforementioned countries. Her marketing is modeled and shaped after that of the KPop industry, which is highly manufactured and calculated in every regard, even the private lives of their artists.

In order to have cultural impact, you need to be an innovator that initiates a certain kind of shift in the industry.
For example: When Lady Gaga appeared on the scene, you could feel and see how much other artists changed in order to be able to compete with her. The entire music industry went "Gaga". THAT is the kind of cultural and LASTING impact that Hitlor Swift will never have.
Taylor is a quantity over quality artist. She released 8 albums over the course of 4 years. That is the reason she is pulling these numbers. Does anything she do musically, fashion-wise or in other regard directly influence other artists, so that they start to adjust? No. Because she only has success, no true impact. She's a businesswoman, not much of an artist. She has a terrible voice, she can't dance or perform. She can write songs (many of them being extremely formulaic and following the same pattern). Her music is just extremely digestible, inoffensive, plain and perfectly adjusted to her target audience.
This is precisely, why she will never be viewed in the same way as someone like Madonna, Michael Jackson or Lady Gaga. These three actually had a kind of impact that went way beyond the money making machine that is Taylor.

Everything about Taylor's success is 100% artificial and inorganic.
1. She grew up in a very wealthy household and had absolutely everything handed to her.
2. She is and has always been extremely privileged. She was signed to a relatively small record label that was bought by her dad who had a major impact in shaping her career. She was essentially their only priority and pretty much all the promotion money went into her. She started out as a country singer with the intention of going into pop knowing that the best way to do it was to get the audience that rejected pop music and thought it was the music of the devil on her side (white midwest Christians). I knew a lot of girls and teens at that time who weren't allowed to listen to any pop music but were rather allowed to listen to Taylor because she was country and therefore obviously a Christian (and thought to be a Republican).
3. Once she went into pop she already had the bunch of snobbish, racist and sexist old white men that make up the majority of the voting panels in the music industry (Grammys, AMA, etc.) on her side. They would rather vote for someone with a country background over someone who is RnB or pop. It has been confirmed that she's considered the "lesser evil" for them.
4. This woman NEVER had to actually fight or battle the industry she tried to set foot in, she never had to experience the amount of sexism and scrutiny that Madonna had to suffer. In addition to that, she employed Kpop marketing to the marketing of her music. It's extremely exploitative and she encourages her fan's obsessive behavior and low-key manipulates them into working for her over-time. It's mind-control essentially.
5. She has been extremely local for the majority of her career. Her only other big global era was 1989 because of Shake It Off and Blank Space. Other than that, she's more known for the hype around her as a celebrity. If Americans say it's hip and cool to be a fan of her, girls abroad will follow them. It's the TikTok effect. For example: TikTok has also decided that Mariah Carey is cool and her shade is "funny", whereas Madonna is considered and ugly, bitter and talentless old hag. This app has got to GO.
6. She is incredibly narcissistic, egocentric and obsessive. Every time another artist was about to drop a new album or a single that could pose a threat to her chart position, she released another pointless collectible or variant of her album to block them. She deserves absolutely no praise or hype for the amount of mediocrity that she embodies.
The recipe of her success is this:
- Political neutrality for a long time throughout her career. Thus, garnering the support of most media outlets and not pissing off 50% of the American population. She avoids controversy as much as she can, her PR team is known to also bribe and sue certain media outlets, critics and reviewers if they write something negative about her.
- Constantly painting herself as a victim to stir up her fans against her personal enemies and ex-boyfriends. Her music also contains a lot of songs with her playing the victim. Her fans seem to identify a lot with that.
- Easily digestible and mostly inoffensive music that is supposed to be deep but is essentially just a blatant rip-off of Lana Del Rey's style of writing.
- Targeting straight teen girls in particular who usually don't listen to a lot of gay-coded artists and sway more towards male artists. They make up the majority of her fanbase. The gays appear more divided on her overall. Women are her target audience. That is not the case for artists like Madonna or Lady Gaga.
- Shady tactics to increase her sales and streaming numbers.

Outside the UK she has abotu 1-2 hit singles in Germany and France and that's about it, is the person who were comparing to Madonna dominated throughout Europe?
 This is just some of Madonna success in Europe:
  
I think it's comical how you're using the "in the last century" excuse for Madge as if that doesn't dismiss the first 20 years of her career  Regardless, she was the #1 female in the 20th century and is #3 in 21 century (2000-2022) in the UK. Who else did it like her from her generation? 
 
- She is both the most successful female artist in the RPM charts and in the Music & Media charts of continental Europe of all time.
- She has the longest-charting #1 album of all time in Europe (34 weeks).
- Has the most #1's out of any artist in history in Europe.
- More chart entries in Europe than any other artist in history.
- Highest-grossing female tour in Europe (for 17 years and counting now). 
- Best-selling non-Francophone international female artist.
- Highest attended show ever in France.
- Best-selling international female artist in Germany.
- More #1 albums in Germany than any other artists. 
- Most successful singles artist in German history.
- Best-selling album by a foreign artist in Italy. 
- More #1's in Italy than any other artist. 
- Highest attended show ever in Italy.
- Most #1's in the Netherlands by any artist in history.
- Best-selling compilation album (solo and female artist) in the UK. 
- #1 female of all time in the UK (last update January 2023) 
- Highest-grossing solo show in Wembley stadium. 
- More #1 albums in the UK than any other female artist.
- Most times for a female artist to simultaneously top the UK singles and albums charts in the UK.
- First female artist to dominate year-end singles and albums charts in the UK.
- Most #1's in Spain out of any artist in history. 
- Most #1's in Ireland out any artist in history. 
- fastest-selling show of all time in Estonia.
- fastest-selling show of all time in Romania.
- fastest selling show of all time in Portugal.
- biggest show of all time in Switzerland.
- biggest show ever in Czech Republic. 
- largest audience ever for a Nordic country.
- largest music concert in the history of Iberian Peninsula. 
 

No she hasn't, Madonna has the most number 1 singles and top 10 globally for any artist and still has the most number 1 albums for any female artist globally. In Japan alone she has 25 number 1 singles  which is more than any artist on there billboard chart. True Blue is also the best selling album in Brazil, and she's also sold more albums there for any international act, she also still holds the record for attendance with 120,000, in fact Madonna overall attendance is 131, 000 in France and Taylor is 96,000 in Australia. My point is Madonna is globally more successful than her, Taylor wouldn't even be in the top 50  most succesful act in most of these countries including sales. I also believe on the US billboard despite all of Taylor tricks which I think will come back and bite her Madonna is still number 1 for solo act behind the Beatles. But I do blame Madonna team for not  updating  alot of her records/sales in Guinness and they barely promote her legacy.

Quiet, you fool! They'll think we’ve been living under a rock here in Spain!

If you go to the UKmix forum Madonna stuff is still charting globally/selling and her streams continue to go up.

There's still quite a huge gap and her music will not have a lot of longevity. That's the issue. Her music isn't iconic enough to have as much of a legacy.

Hopefully the world can get rid of her before she gets close.

Outside the UK she has abotu 1-2 hit singles in Germany and France and that's about it, is the person who were comparing to Madonna dominated throughout Europe?
 This is just some of Madonna success in Europe:
  
I think it's comical how you're using the "in the last century" excuse for Madge as if that doesn't dismiss the first 20 years of her career  Regardless, she was the #1 female in the 20th century and is #3 in 21 century (2000-2022) in the UK. Who else did it like her from her generation? 
 
- She is both the most successful female artist in the RPM charts and in the Music & Media charts of continental Europe of all time.
- She has the longest-charting #1 album of all time in Europe (34 weeks).
- Has the most #1's out of any artist in history in Europe.
- More chart entries in Europe than any other artist in history.
- Highest-grossing female tour in Europe (for 17 years and counting now). 
- Best-selling non-Francophone international female artist.
- Highest attended show ever in France.
- Best-selling international female artist in Germany.
- More #1 albums in Germany than any other artists. 
- Most successful singles artist in German history.
- Best-selling album by a foreign artist in Italy. 
- More #1's in Italy than any other artist. 
- Highest attended show ever in Italy.
- Most #1's in the Netherlands by any artist in history.
- Best-selling compilation album (solo and female artist) in the UK. 
- #1 female of all time in the UK (last update January 2023) 
- Highest-grossing solo show in Wembley stadium. 
- More #1 albums in the UK than any other female artist.
- Most times for a female artist to simultaneously top the UK singles and albums charts in the UK.
- First female artist to dominate year-end singles and albums charts in the UK.
- Most #1's in Spain out of any artist in history. 
- Most #1's in Ireland out any artist in history. 
- fastest-selling show of all time in Estonia.
- fastest-selling show of all time in Romania.
- fastest selling show of all time in Portugal.
- biggest show of all time in Switzerland.
- biggest show ever in Czech Republic. 
- largest audience ever for a Nordic country.
- largest music concert in the history of Iberian Peninsula. 
 

Outside of a few places she doesn't sell well or chart well either. In Austria where she had to cancel her show, she has sold very little albums there and has never charted well in that country despite selling out shows there. U2 has been one of the most succesful touring acts for decades now and so has the stones but when is the last time they had a successful album or hit single. Her tour for most overseas is just something that people are going to, in fact in some of the places she toured the crowd was mostly Americans not the locals who went to see her,  an example is in Spain she sold out shows but has like 2 hits singles from years ago and 1 album that charted well over there. 

No she hasn't, Madonna has the most number 1 singles and top 10 globally for any artist and still has the most number 1 albums for any female artist globally. In Japan alone she has 25 number 1 singles  which is more than any artist on there billboard chart. True Blue is also the best selling album in Brazil, and she's also sold more albums there for any international act, she also still holds the record for attendance with 120,000, in fact Madonna overall attendance is 131, 000 in France and Taylor is 96,000 in Australia. My point is Madonna is globally more successful than her, Taylor wouldn't even be in the top 50  most succesful act in most of these countries including sales. I also believe on the US billboard despite all of Taylor tricks which I think will come back and bite her Madonna is still number 1 for solo act behind the Beatles. But I do blame Madonna team for not  updating  alot of her records/sales in Guinness and they barely promote her legacy.

No she hasn't, Madonna has the most number 1 singles and top 10 globally for any artist and still has the most number 1 albums for any female artist globally. In Japan alone she has 25 number 1 singles  which is more than any artist on there billboard chart. True Blue is also the best selling album in Brazil, and she's also sold more albums there for any international act, she also still holds the record for attendance with 120,000, in fact Madonna overall attendance is 131, 000 in France and Taylor is 96,000 in Australia. My point is Madonna is globally more successful than her, Taylor wouldn't even be in the top 50  most succesful act in most of these countries including sales. I also believe on the US billboard despite all of Taylor tricks which I think will come back and bite her Madonna is still number 1 for solo act behind the Beatles. But I do blame Madonna team for not  updating  alot of her records/sales in Guinness and they barely promote her legacy.

Who's attacking Taylor? When i'm on Atrl.net it's usually Taylor fans who are attacking Madonna and there are tons of threads created by them trying to compare the two and put Madonna down. As someone who actully pays attentions to the charts and streams clearly some of it is being manufactured on her team end as with alot of artist, this is the truth wether people want to admit it or not and others are aloud to express there dissappointment and instead of pretending it's not happening. Why are random albums tracks and whole albums taking up entire billboard? Why are 3,000 remixes being accepted by one artist and it's not okay for another (Nicki Minaj)? How do your 2nd week sales drop by 82% the next week? The standards are not the same as they once were in the industry and some people just want others to not point it out and go along with it. On the Guinness world record thread for Madonna, some of Taylor fans were to quick come in try to put down her achievement, one could say there jealous because they badly want Taylor to have the top spot.

Who's attacking Taylor? When i'm on Atrl.net it's usually Taylor fans who are attacking Madonna and there are tons of threads created by them trying to compare the two and put Madonna down. As someone who actully pays attentions to the charts and streams clearly some of it is being manufactured on her team end as with alot of artist, this is the truth wether people want to admit it or not and others are aloud to express there dissappointment and instead of pretending it's not happening. Why are random albums tracks and whole albums taking up entire billboard? Why are 3,000 remixes being accepted by one artist and it's not okay for another (Nicki Minaj)? How do your 2nd week sales drop by 82% the next week? The standards are not the same as they once were in the industry and some people just want others to not point it out and go along with it. On the Guinness world record thread for Madonna, some of Taylor fans were to quick come in try to put down her achievement, one could say there jealous because they badly want Taylor to have the top spot.

Who's attacking Taylor? When i'm on Atrl.net it's usually Taylor fans who are attacking Madonna and there are tons of threads created by them trying to compare the two and put Madonna down. As someone who actully pays attentions to the charts and streams clearly some of it is being manufactured on her team end as with alot of artist, this is the truth wether people want to admit it or not and others are aloud to express there dissappointment and instead of pretending it's not happening. Why are random albums tracks and whole albums taking up entire billboard? Why are 3,000 remixes being accepted by one artist and it's not okay for another (Nicki Minaj)? How do your 2nd week sales drop by 82% the next week? The standards are not the same as they once were in the industry and some people just want others to not point it out and go along with it. On the Guinness world record thread for Madonna, some of Taylor fans were to quick come in try to put down her achievement, one could say there jealous because they badly want Taylor to have the top spot.

Who's attacking Taylor? When i'm on Atrl.net it's usually Taylor fans who are attacking Madonna and there are tons of threads created by them trying to compare the two and put Madonna down. As someone who actully pays attentions to the charts and streams clearly some of it is being manufactured on her team end as with alot of artist, this is the truth wether people want to admit it or not and others are aloud to express there dissappointment and instead of pretending it's not happening. Why are random albums tracks and whole albums taking up entire billboard? Why are 3,000 remixes being accepted by one artist and it's not okay for another (Nicki Minaj)? How do your 2nd week sales drop by 82% the next week? The standards are not the same as they once were in the industry and some people just want others to not point it out and go along with it. On the Guinness world record thread for Madonna, some of Taylor fans were to quick come in try to put down her achievement, one could say there jealous because they badly want Taylor to have the top spot.

Who's attacking Taylor? When i'm on Atrl.net it's usually Taylor fans who are attacking Madonna and there are tons of threads created by them trying to compare the two and put Madonna down. As someone who actully pays attentions to the charts and streams clearly some of it is being manufactured on her team end as with alot of artist, this is the truth wether people want to admit it or not and others are aloud to express there dissappointment and instead of pretending it's not happening. Why are random albums tracks and whole albums taking up entire billboard? Why are 3,000 remixes being accepted by one artist and it's not okay for another (Nicki Minaj)? How do your 2nd week sales drop by 82% the next week? The standards are not the same as they once were in the industry and some people just want others to not point it out and go along with it. On the Guinness world record thread for Madonna, some of Taylor fans were to quick come in try to put down her achievement, one could say there jealous because they badly want Taylor to have the top spot.

Saying people are “jealous” when they don’t like someone or something has become quite the cliche. There are many many people that don’t think she’s anything special, not just Madonna fans. It is a matter of taste.

I'm glad you are because i'm not, I can already see some people in the media/pundits making fun of her or criticizing her. There are already some criticism when she had her daughter up there dancing and some even upset that she had her in the same show that showed nudity and trying to turn into something else.