Popular Post twosoulsinaghosttown 389 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 I'm new here more or less so maybe it's always like this but I am wondering why some folks are uncomfortable with criticizing madonna for making something that is glaringly cheap, poorly crafted, and elicits a feeling of desperation. Part of being a fan of anyone is the ability to criticize work that doesn't speak to you or doesn't feel in line with a body of work. In this case, the greatest body of work any artist has ever amassed. Being critical is what keeps one from becoming a zealot. It's the same with religious folks who freak out anytime someone points out something that they usually know is true or won't accept is only true FOR them. I think most know this video isn't artistically pleasing. Drug use isn't glamorous behavior, it's behavior that destroys lives. Coming from Madonna who has been notoriously anti-drug - those moments feel desperate and irresponsible. Not because she is older but because they aren't in line with her integrity up until this point. Those abusing her for getting older and expressing that she should "act her age" are doing what most of our culture does these days - perform politics. They will claim to be anti-ageist and bullying but those words seldom line up with actions. And this is widely accepted as the way things are. Everything is okay, as long as you pretend to believe what's trending. The video felt like Madonna was way behind the curved out of her integrity and we aren't used to that. We're spoiled that way. None of my critiques of this video have to do with her age. I hope Madonna continues to shake her ass until she moves on. I know I intend to. This video is poorly shot when held against her body of work, that's a fact I can back up with filmmaking techniques. We can then get deep into the cheap effects, poor wig styling, and the flashing lights that never let us see her. If anything - the biggest fuck you would be to make us look at her as she is because this is her last frontier. But then you look at the comments on her Instagram and you begin to understand why she may be terrified of letting us see her. People lack the ability to criticize art, so they focus on low-level bullying that reveals how broken they are. None of those truths make this video a good video. Most people feel it wasn't. That's the consensus. With that said - one horrible misstep in a career this magnanimous is something most wish they could say. It would do us all well to remember that we really haven't had a major star live this long and stay this successful without self-destructing or selling hair care products on tv at four o'clock in the morning. Since 1984 at Radio City Music Hall, I have looked to this woman for inspiration and I will continue to do so - even when she makes a video that feels like a YouTube video a girl from New Jersey made in her backyard - because that is still in line with the courage of the artist I respect and admire. Viva Madonna! Levon, itzjak, 50ft Queenie and 9 others 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelHeartbreak 419 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Reading this thread. SMH. madonna is apparently here to disturb the peace. She has set a high bar for herself, and I'm guessing she knows that she won't ever be that "important" again. And if I were her, I'd be relieved to know that I could do and say whatever the fuck I wanted to because I've already set the bar NO ONE will ever be able to cross...Because it's too high. This video is just another blip, and something we're going to talk about in a couple of years like it's Candy Shop. Or American Life. What she's doing now is tapping into the underground mainstream, and although it's not my cup, I'll still take a sip. I've said for years and years on these forums is that it's like being on a forum for victims of an abusive relationship, or like someone having Stockholm syndrome. This video is NOT a big deal in her career unless it goes to number 1 and she has the last laugh. The whole "Social Media Fandom!" shit is probably laughable to her. As it should be. RUADJAI and cosmic_system 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUADJAI 15,959 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Cheap Wig? Bad Video? Never before? Pootz333, 50ft Queenie, vesalii and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyzonme 932 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Surely there are better producers or video directors she could have worked with for a new remix project. Everything about this from music and visuals is garbage. Champagne Rosé level. It's sad. I can't imagine if the majority of fans here don't like it why her camp thought this would be a good idea. The remix didn't warrant a video. It's nothing special. Not artistic. Just a waste of her talents. Levon and Starchild 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyzonme 932 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, RUADJAI said: Cheap Wig? Bad Video? Never before? At least the music was good. Video I can forgive as she filmed it during a tour. I'll take the end result versus a video collage i.e. Miles Away Starchild, Ziploc, Levon and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pootz333 2,925 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, RUADJAI said: Cheap Wig? Bad Video? Never before? But really. I will never get over the video treatments Jump and Get Together got. Criminal. RUADJAI, Polaris and captainjay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theglamorous 4,126 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 It always confuses me when the accusation of ageism gets thrown about when Madonna herself never uses other dancers her own age in her videos. There's something a little odd about a woman in her sixties dancing and making out with teenagers as if she's a teenager too. Ziploc, THNTH and Starchild 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalinstinct 2,198 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 35 minutes ago, RUADJAI said: Cheap Wig? Bad Video? Never before? I prefer this new music video to Jump. I mean, she couldn’t even be arsed to jump in the video..all we got was some cheap wig and a swivel. RUADJAI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RUADJAI 15,959 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 I actually love Hung Up on Tokischa. I've just been choosing to save my breath. I think with every reincarnation it takes people a while to appreciate what she's doing and then with the passing of time people start to paint things in a different light in their own minds. We've seen the same thing happen with American Life (song) with the rap. The Britney Kiss. (people thought it was the worst performance ever) Hard Candy as a whole. The Secret Project. The Drake Kiss. Pride 2021? When she performed with Miley Cyrus. Tears of a Clown. The fans are constantly in a state of meltdown. Im not sure why people expect Beyonce-Formation level of thought and creativity with every single release. To quote M herself... "Not every song can be Vogue". But for some reason the fans expect it every single time. They expect she's gonna release Ray of Light part 2 with EVERY SINGLE RELEASE. and when she wants to be provocative and silly it's the end of her career. They literally laugh at the end of the song/video. It's not meant to be so serious. DoneGone, DiegoLCL, Andreo and 9 others 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondebenji 1,996 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, theglamorous said: It always confuses me when the accusation of ageism gets thrown about when Madonna herself never uses other dancers her own age in her videos. There's something a little odd about a woman in her sixties dancing and making out with teenagers as if she's a teenager too. I think That's the whole point of it. She's using extreme imagery to illicit a response on the topic. This is the same thing she has done right through her career with topics close to her heart. Society is all accepting if you are 40+ to go out with friends of your own AGE. Have a few drinks, get pissy and dance to some old tunes you once loved together when you are young. What is confronting to people is seeing a woman of her age, dressed this way, partying like a teenager and remixing her song with a style and beat that is very current and not a nice easy listen. The latin wave with Bad Bunny etc is huge with the kids at the moment. Is she trying to bring the kids on board? Is it just where her heart is at and has always been exciting to whats happening on the street and youth? She does seem to listen to artists with a fresh sound as opposed to more heritage artists. It would absolutely exhausting to not be yourself 5 decades in and be so calculating just on whats going to sell. Or is it she's using extreme images that make people uncomfortable to think, question and debate on the topic of how a woman of her age and achievements should be presenting herself. Could it be all of the above ???? Who knows. One thing is certain. If she did a Cher (if I could turn back time) and put her Hung Up leotard on and perform the original version of hung Up it would be much more accepting and palatable for most people. Buts that never been Madonna. everyone can Tear apart my post but just trying to look at it objectively and yes I lovvvvvvveeeee the video. And no I havent loved every single thing she has down recently RUADJAI, DoneGone and MDRA 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnaultimate 979 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 was thinking about logging in for 2 days and saw exactly what i wish would ve stopped by now. funny thing, i love how insecure people always use Madonna as their scapegoat Hung Up on Tokischa is super cool and I live for this current madonna. Also experimenting with dembow was a pleasant surprise turned out great. Hung Up , love you boo but you are overplayed and 17 years old. I loved all over again in a completely different way and this treatment was on point. Im so happy I can appreciate each Madonna moment in time in its own context and looking forward to her next steps. stop hating on madonna , it's only a reflection, youre hating on yourself. bye MDRA, Andreo, RUADJAI and 6 others 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnaultimate 979 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 why no single post about how great the outfits are blondebenji, MDRA, Levon and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Régine Filange 2,586 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, RUADJAI said: Cheap Wig? Bad Video? Never before? that was a decent video... RUADJAI, Levon and Alfalfa_HampusFL 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreo 6,087 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 The video leaves me with indifference but honestly the remix itself is good. I've been streaming it for days and surely a messy video won't stop me from enjoying the song alone :D gafuller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreo 6,087 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, RUADJAI said: Cheap Wig? Bad Video? Never before? Why everyone hates this video is a mistery to me, I find it actually good and the visuals are so on point... Whatever '-' Kieran, Levon, Régine Filange and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneGone 16,709 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1M views on YouTube: 800.000 streams on Spotify. chaosmen1984mk, animalinstinct, madonnaultimate and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Régine Filange 2,586 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, RUADJAI said: I actually love Hung Up on Tokischa. I've just been choosing to save my breath. I think with every reincarnation it takes people a while to appreciate what she's doing and then with the passing of time people start to paint things in a different light in their own minds. We've seen the same thing happen with American Life (song) with the rap. The Britney Kiss. (people thought it was the worst performance ever) Hard Candy as a whole. The Secret Project. The Drake Kiss. Pride 2021? When she performed with Miley Cyrus. Tears of a Clown. The fans are constantly in a state of meltdown. American Life rap still awfull, nothing changed since then in this part And American Life did indeed ruin her commercial career in US, but unlike now, she was releasing decent music. Both American Life and Confessions on a Dance Floor were good records. Since then she has release 3 mediocre albums and 1 good album. And i doubt M15 would be better since she's not taking her career seriously anymore, she's not the type of artist she used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Régine Filange 2,586 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 The video is not something she did for fun at all too as y'all say, unless you can find me a scene of Madonna looking like she's having fun, there's not a single expression in her eyes anymore, find me two seconds from the video where she's smiling or idk, only at the end cause she laughs at the track too. She just stares at the camera like she's soulless in the whole video, she does all these remixes hoping to get another Frozen remix moment, not cuz she has fun Madame X wasn't a record she had fun too, that's why it took 4 years to be done, she didn't care at all, and that's fine but she can stop making music if she's not that interested anymore, she don't have to release mediocre music just cause she has the need to prove something Drownedboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnaultimate 979 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 if madonna s career was in some of your hands you would ve turned her to a stay at home piano Celine . damn im so glad shes still bidonna playing with her teetees and passy , wearing great outfits, reinventing, dancing, having fun. adirondak, DoneGone, Andreo and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnaultimate 979 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 "fans" that beg their idol to stop doing stuff. cool . i dont wanna be involved with people of that world on any level Aiwa08, MDRA, Andreo and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneGone 16,709 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Régine Filange said: The video is not something she did for fun at all too as y'all say, unless you can find me a scene of Madonna looking like she's having fun, there's not a single expression in her eyes anymore, find me two seconds from the video where she's smiling or idk, only at the end cause she laughs at the track too. She just stares at the camera like she's soulless in the whole video, she does all these remixes hoping to get another Frozen remix moment, not cuz she has fun Madame X wasn't a record she had fun too, that's why it took 4 years to be done, she didn't care at all, and that's fine but she can stop making music if she's not that interested anymore, she don't have to release mediocre music just cause she has the need to prove something She rarely smiled in any of her previous videos, anyway, so that's a sign of her not enjoying it? I mean. She didn't spend 4 years working on "Madame X", more like a year and a half. She announced she was working on it in January 2018 (maybe she started in late 2017) and it was released in June 2019. deathproof, gafuller and MadameX 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adirondak 2,036 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 It's just a side project. You can go listen to the original Hung Up anytime, and watch her "classy" videos anytime. The reason she's doing it is as a provocation for everyone who wants to put boundaries on what a woman her age is allowed to do. She's not interested in "aging gracefully" whatever that means. Rodrigo Olivero, blondebenji, Andreo and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steady75 10,301 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, twosoulsinaghosttown said: I'm new here more or less so maybe it's always like this but I am wondering why some folks are uncomfortable with criticizing madonna for making something that is glaringly cheap, poorly crafted, and elicits a feeling of desperation. Part of being a fan of anyone is the ability to criticize work that doesn't speak to you or doesn't feel in line with a body of work. In this case, the greatest body of work any artist has ever amassed. Being critical is what keeps one from becoming a zealot. It's the same with religious folks who freak out anytime someone points out something that they usually know is true or won't accept is only true FOR them. I think most know this video isn't artistically pleasing. Drug use isn't glamorous behavior, it's behavior that destroys lives. Coming from Madonna who has been notoriously anti-drug - those moments feel desperate and irresponsible. Not because she is older but because they aren't in line with her integrity up until this point. Those abusing her for getting older and expressing that she should "act her age" are doing what most of our culture does these days - perform politics. They will claim to be anti-ageist and bullying but those words seldom line up with actions. And this is widely accepted as the way things are. Everything is okay, as long as you pretend to believe what's trending. The video felt like Madonna was way behind the curved out of her integrity and we aren't used to that. We're spoiled that way. None of my critiques of this video have to do with her age. I hope Madonna continues to shake her ass until she moves on. I know I intend to. This video is poorly shot when held against her body of work, that's a fact I can back up with filmmaking techniques. We can then get deep into the cheap effects, poor wig styling, and the flashing lights that never let us see her. If anything - the biggest fuck you would be to make us look at her as she is because this is her last frontier. But then you look at the comments on her Instagram and you begin to understand why she may be terrified of letting us see her. People lack the ability to criticize art, so they focus on low-level bullying that reveals how broken they are. None of those truths make this video a good video. Most people feel it wasn't. That's the consensus. With that said - one horrible misstep in a career this magnanimous is something most wish they could say. It would do us all well to remember that we really haven't had a major star live this long and stay this successful without self-destructing or selling hair care products on tv at four o'clock in the morning. Since 1984 at Radio City Music Hall, I have looked to this woman for inspiration and I will continue to do so - even when she makes a video that feels like a YouTube video a girl from New Jersey made in her backyard - because that is still in line with the courage of the artist I respect and admire. Viva Madonna! FullSizeRender.MOV Levon and theglamorous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post chaosmen1984mk 848 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 Congratulations Madonna!! You did it again!! Not only to be in the first places of many rankings but also to create controversy again and to be on everyone's lips using as a resource one of the "unspoken" topics of this discriminatory society. This is how Madonna, in her search to eliminate one of the taboos that most resists being knocked down in recent times, decided to do it but in an extreme way and not in a politically correct way (which would not have attracted much public attention and the media to be honest) and for this she decided to show how someone her age can still dress in the clothes they want, be ordinary and vulgar if they wish, have partners much younger than her and live their sexuality in a way intense regardless of their sexual preferences and feel totally comfortable surrounded by young people and share their same hobbies and “fun ways” And just as violent, chaotic and bloody social protests serve better than peaceful protests (because many times the latter do not get the attention of the media and go unnoticed and the desired objective is not achieved), also in music or in art you have to resort to extremes so that the message has more strength and credibility and if the price to pay for it is to be the target of ridicule or lose some fans who cannot put themselves in your shoes and understand the message, similar to what what happened in the Erotic era, I am sure that new fans, attracted by her new proposal and image, will arrive to take their place. Just tell those who decide to leave her to make sure they close the door when they leave. I love this image, I can clearly see Madonna laughing and making fun of all the confusion caused by her new video, not only from the general public but also from her own fans. Definitely, all this should produce a feeling of deja vu to what happened in 1992, but this time the objectives are different and if she will be successful in it, only time will tell, but nobody can say that she did not try. And that should be recognized by everyone, especially her fans. Rebel Hugo, ChrisK, martinicus and 9 others 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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