Lucas B. 1,079 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 A few years ago I read on Madonna Online that the Re-Invention Tour was originally meant to be called The Whore of Babylon Tour. Are there any real allegations/receipts that this was the original plan? If so, why M changed the title? I can only imagine religious groups goin' nuts with that title, especially with the opening being The Beast Within (which I love, the woman did ART by simply reading some verses from the apocalypse book). I'm the alpha and omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Behold... I am coming soon. gst6662000 and FeerOsorio_ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha 2,043 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Lucas B. said: A few years ago I read on Madonna Online that the Re-Invention Tour was originally meant to be called The Whore of Babylon Tour. Are there any real allegations/receipts that this was the original plan? If so, why M changed the title? I can only imagine religious groups goin' nuts with that title, especially with the opening being The Beast Within (which I love, the woman did ART by simply reading some verses from the apocalypse book). I'm the alpha and omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Behold... I am coming soon. Just a rumor. She was asked in Attitude magazine 2005 and she just brushed it off saying too obvious. Other rumored titles were Ground Zero World Tour and Nobody Knows Me World Tour. Roy, Voguerista, Lucas B. and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic_system 3,392 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 She said in Attitude magazine in 2005 that it was untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondebenji 2,005 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 ohhh luv "Nobody Knows Me World Tour"....... very cool gst6662000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adonna 21,551 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 7 hours ago, Alpha said: Just a rumor. She was asked in Attitude magazine 2005 and she just brushed it off saying too obvious. Other rumored titles were Ground Zero World Tour and Nobody Knows Me World Tour. Yes this. The media and fans grabbed on to that name and tried to narrate that it was indeed the name of the tour, when she herself said it wasn't. Voguerista, Velvet Rope and heikeeduardo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtg1987 10,660 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 RIT was more appropriate- she went with the best title imo - now where is bedtime story backdrop in HD ? 🥴 Roy and Voguerista 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr00mister 902 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Nobody Knows Me Tour would have been interesting tho do you imagine of the show had had more tracks from American Life instead of technically being a greatest hits thing? Sheridan1980 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voguerista 13,547 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I'm so glad she went with the RIT title. It was the perfect name for that tour and it's one of my favorites. I'll never forget how she worked the moving side to side cat walk(I’ve always wished do that again). WeYo and Confessions Lightside 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRMX 5,822 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 The whore of Babylon would have been a terrible awful name love hurts, Gonzus, maddy1111 and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha 2,043 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 56 minutes ago, mr00mister said: Nobody Knows Me Tour would have been interesting tho do you imagine of the show had had more tracks from American Life instead of technically being a greatest hits thing? Well Love Profusion and I'm So Stupid were originally part of the setlist with I'm So Stupid being shown in I'm Going to Tell You a Secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drownedboy 1,878 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 She was vocally and physically amazing for this tour, I was there. A great moment, wish there would be a proper dvd. I wish someday it will be. It was a mega hit, after the american life flop. It would have been very different had american life succed. Starchild 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan1980 1,202 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, mr00mister said: Nobody Knows Me Tour would have been interesting tho do you imagine of the show had had more tracks from American Life instead of technically being a greatest hits thing? It would have been a dream wirh more American Life songs, I'm so stupid, Love profusion, Easy ride, X-static process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefo 7,707 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Yeah Love Profusion, I love that song so much, it's one of the best from AL. At this point, after NRM, BG, BS and Rain being performed in a tour recently, Love Profusion, The Power of goodbye and Rescue me are the only singles I'm dieing her to include in a show with a new turn for Secret and Papa don't preach if possible Crazy For M, Voguerista and RUADJAI 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzus 2,849 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, Pedro Beltran said: The whore of Babylon would have been a terrible awful name You're right NRMX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr00mister 902 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 this source from March 2004 mentions the Babylon name as almost official tho FeerOsorio_ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drivebitch 1,894 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Reinvention Tour was about as creative as GHV2. The Nobody Knows Me Tour would have been a much better title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starchild 3,693 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Reinvention Tour, as a title, was genius. American Life was way too stigmatised, so she needed a tour name that didn't reference the album. She was famously referred to as 'the queen of reinvention', so this was a savvy way to capitalise on that moniker. The general public didn't know the song Nobody Knows Me, so it would've been less meaningful to them. Pootz333 and Velvet Rope 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drownedboy 1,878 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 3 hours ago, Starchild said: Reinvention Tour, as a title, was genius. American Life was way too stigmatised, so she needed a tour name that didn't reference the album. She was famously referred to as 'the queen of reinvention', so this was a savvy way to capitalise on that moniker. The general public didn't know the song Nobody Knows Me, so it would've been less meaningful to them. Yes at that particular moment all her worries were about going on being the queen of pop and being super popular again, she didn´t care for being super innovative or controversial or in your face, which would have been a Nobody knows me tour moment, which clearly never happened. Starchild 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gst6662000 422 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 How about Veronica electronica? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pootz333 2,947 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 I love the title The Whore of Babylon but not for that particular damage control moment in time. I remember at the time thinking "Oh my..." lol GHV2 over "The Second Coming" was a choice though. Although a cd full of radio edits and no new songs probably didn't need a groundbreaking title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Little 4,487 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 I’m So Stupid Tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPowered 7,796 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 I think that whole "The Whore Of Babylon" tour name rumor may have stemmed from the idea to have the tour be loosely based on the prophecy told the Book of Revelation (as recited in The Beast Within). The apocalypse and the arrival of The Whore of Babylon, according to the people would be preceded by the arrival of the Four Horsemen of The Apocalypse: Pestilence War Famine Death The story essentially predicts the fall of an (The Roman) empire. How conquest and the resulting opulence leads to war, poverty/inflation/famine and ultimately death. If you look at the Re-Invention Tour sections, this concept still lingers in there. Pestilence (Opulence/Conquest): The whole Marie Antoinette segment symbolizes the fall of the French aristocracy. Marie was beheaded by the French people. War: This section is very on the nose Death: The theme of death and re-incarnation has been integrated into this section. This is where the chronology falls apart a bit but originally, Die Another Day was the final song on the setlist. Famine (Poverty/Inflation): This section has a bit of a post-war, rural vibe which sort works with the concept of famine as well. I've actually come up with a re-arranged setlist a while ago that incorporates this concept, and adds back more American Life songs: The Beat Within - Introduction ACT I: CONQUEST (Baroque) 1. Vogue 2. Hollywood (Jacques Lu Cont Thin White Duke Mix) 3. Dress You Up (contains elements of "God Bless the Queen") // Burning Up 4. I'm So Stupid ACT II: WAR 5. Intro / American Life (contains elements of the "Headcleanr Rock Mix") 6. Swim 7. Intervention 8. Papa Don't Preach 9. Crazy For You Easy Ride - Interlude ACT III: FAMINE 10. Like A Prayer 11. Nothing Fails 12. Mother And Father 13. Love Profusion ACT IV: DEATH Material Girl - Interlude 14. Music 15. Back In Business // Express Yourself 16. Deeper And Deeper 17. Die Another Day 18. Medley: Take A Bow / Lament ENCORE: RE-INCARNATION Bedtime Story (Orbital Remix) - Interlude 19. Nobody Knows Me (contains excerpts of "Die Another Day") 20. Into The Groove 21. Holiday (contains elements of "Everybody", "Music" & "She Wants To Move") / = Medley // = Alternate song choice Anapausis and Honey Little 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Little 4,487 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 On 5/17/2024 at 11:08 AM, MaDöner Kebab said: I think that whole "The Whore Of Babylon" tour name rumor may have stemmed from the idea to have the tour be loosely based on the prophecy told the Book of Revelation (as recited in The Beast Within). The apocalypse and the arrival of The Whore of Babylon, according to the people would be preceded by the arrival of the Four Horsemen of The Apocalypse: Pestilence War Famine Death The story essentially predicts the fall of an (The Roman) empire. How conquest and the resulting opulence leads to war, poverty/inflation/famine and ultimately death. If you look at the Re-Invention Tour sections, this concept still lingers in there. Pestilence (Opulence/Conquest): The whole Marie Antoinette segment symbolizes the fall of the French aristocracy. Marie was beheaded by the French people. War: This section is very on the nose Death: The theme of death and re-incarnation has been integrated into this section. This is where the chronology falls apart a bit but originally, Die Another Day was the final song on the setlist. Famine (Poverty/Inflation): This section has a bit of a post-war, rural vibe which sort works with the concept of famine as well. I've actually come up with a re-arranged setlist a while ago that incorporates this concept, and adds back more American Life songs: The Beat Within - Introduction ACT I: CONQUEST (Baroque) 1. Vogue 2. Hollywood (Jacques Lu Cont Thin White Duke Mix) 3. Dress You Up (contains elements of "God Bless the Queen") // Burning Up 4. I'm So Stupid ACT II: WAR 5. Intro / American Life (contains elements of the "Headcleanr Rock Mix") 6. Swim 7. Intervention 8. Papa Don't Preach 9. Crazy For You Easy Ride - Interlude ACT III: FAMINE 10. Like A Prayer 11. Nothing Fails 12. Mother And Father 13. Love Profusion ACT IV: DEATH Material Girl - Interlude 14. Music 15. Back In Business // Express Yourself 16. Deeper And Deeper 17. Die Another Day 18. Medley: Take A Bow / Lament ENCORE: RE-INCARNATION Bedtime Story (Orbital Remix) - Interlude 19. Nobody Knows Me (contains excerpts of "Die Another Day") 20. Into The Groove 21. Holiday (contains elements of "Everybody", "Music" & "She Wants To Move") / = Medley // = Alternate song choice I would like to see a death metal version of Back In Business. MPowered, Anapausis and stefo 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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