Very honestly, has Taylor Swift surpassed Madonna all-around?

[MPowered 7,772]

Everything about Taylor's success is 100% artificial and inorganic.

1. She grew up in a very wealthy household and had absolutely everything handed to her.

2. She is and has always been extremely privileged. She was signed to a relatively small record label that was bought by her dad who had a major impact in shaping her career. She was essentially their only priority and pretty much all the promotion money went into her. She started out as a country singer with the intention of going into pop knowing that the best way to do it was to get the audience that rejected pop music and thought it was the music of the devil on her side (white midwest Christians). I knew a lot of girls and teens at that time who weren't allowed to listen to any pop music but were rather allowed to listen to Taylor because she was country and therefore obviously a Christian (and thought to be a Republican).

3. Once she went into pop she already had the bunch of snobbish, racist and sexist old white men that make up the majority of the voting panels in the music industry (Grammys, AMA, etc.) on her side. They would rather vote for someone with a country background over someone who is RnB or pop. It has been confirmed that she's considered the "lesser evil" for them.

4. This woman NEVER had to actually fight or battle the industry she tried to set foot in, she never had to experience the amount of sexism and scrutiny that Madonna had to suffer. In addition to that, she employed Kpop marketing to the marketing of her music. It's extremely exploitative and she encourages her fan's obsessive behavior and low-key manipulates them into working for her over-time. It's mind-control essentially.

5. She has been extremely local for the majority of her career. Her only other big global era was 1989 because of Shake It Off and Blank Space. Other than that, she's more known for the hype around her as a celebrity. If Americans say it's hip and cool to be a fan of her, girls abroad will follow them. It's the TikTok effect. For example: TikTok has also decided that Mariah Carey is cool and her shade is "funny", whereas Madonna is considered and ugly, bitter and talentless old hag. This app has got to GO.

6. She is incredibly narcissistic, egocentric and obsessive. Every time another artist was about to drop a new album or a single that could pose a threat to her chart position, she released another pointless collectible or variant of her album to block them. She deserves absolutely no praise or hype for the amount of mediocrity that she embodies.

The recipe of her success is this:

- Political neutrality for a long time throughout her career. Thus, garnering the support of most media outlets and not pissing off 50% of the American population. She avoids controversy as much as she can, her PR team is known to also bribe and sue certain media outlets, critics and reviewers if they write something negative about her.

- Constantly painting herself as a victim to stir up her fans against her personal enemies and ex-boyfriends. Her music also contains a lot of songs with her playing the victim. Her fans seem to identify a lot with that.

- Easily digestible and mostly inoffensive music that is supposed to be deep but is essentially just a blatant rip-off of Lana Del Rey's style of writing.

- Targeting straight teen girls in particular who usually don't listen to a lot of gay-coded artists and sway more towards male artists. They make up the majority of her fanbase. The gays appear more divided on her overall. Women are her target audience. That is not the case for artists like Madonna or Lady Gaga.

- Shady tactics to increase her sales and streaming numbers.

[Tudors 680]

6 minutes ago, MPowered said:

Everything about Taylor's success is 100% artificial and inorganic.

1. She grew up in a very wealthy household and had absolutely everything handed to her.

2. She is and has always been extremely privileged. She was signed to a relatively small record label that was bought by her dad who had a major impact in shaping her career. She was essentially their only priority and pretty much all the promotion money went into her. She started out as a country singer with the intention of going into pop knowing that the best way to do it was to get the audience that rejected pop music and thought it was the music of the devil on her side (white midwest Christians). I knew a lot of girls and teens at that time who weren't allowed to listen to any pop music but were rather allowed to listen to Taylor because she was country and therefore obviously a Christian (and thought to be a Republican).

3. Once she went into pop she already had the bunch of snobbish, racist and sexist old white men that make up the majority of the voting panels in the music industry (Grammys, AMA, etc.) on her side. They would rather vote for someone with a country background over someone who is RnB or pop. It has been confirmed that she's considered the "lesser evil" for them.

4. This woman NEVER had to actually fight or battle the industry she tried to set foot in, she never had to experience the amount of sexism and scrutiny that Madonna had to suffer. In addition to that, she employed Kpop marketing to the marketing of her music. It's extremely exploitative and she encourages her fan's obsessive behavior and low-key manipulates them into working for her over-time. It's mind-control essentially.

5. She has been extremely local for the majority of her career. Her only other big global era was 1989 because of Shake It Off and Blank Space. Other than that, she's more known for the hype around her as a celebrity. If Americans say it's hip and cool to be a fan of her, girls abroad will follow them. It's the TikTok effect. For example: TikTok has also decided that Mariah Carey is cool and her shade is "funny", whereas Madonna is considered and ugly, bitter and talentless old hag. This app has got to GO.

6. She is incredibly narcissistic, egocentric and obsessive. Every time another artist was about to drop a new album or a single that could pose a threat to her chart position, she released another pointless collectible or variant of her album to block them. She deserves absolutely no praise or hype for the amount of mediocrity that she embodies.

The recipe of her success is this:

- Political neutrality for a long time throughout her career. Thus, garnering the support of most media outlets and not pissing off 50% of the American population. She avoids controversy as much as she can, her PR team is known to also bribe and sue certain media outlets, critics and reviewers if they write something negative about her.

- Constantly painting herself as a victim to stir up her fans against her personal enemies and ex-boyfriends. Her music also contains a lot of songs with her playing the victim. Her fans seem to identify a lot with that.

- Easily digestible and mostly inoffensive music that is supposed to be deep but is essentially just a blatant rip-off of Lana Del Rey's style of writing.

- Targeting straight teen girls in particular who usually don't listen to a lot of gay-coded artists and sway more towards male artists. They make up the majority of her fanbase. The gays appear more divided on her overall. Women are her target audience. That is not the case for artists like Madonna or Lady Gaga.

- Shady tactics to increase her sales and streaming numbers.

 

Taylor Swift is only famous because she's pretty and blonde

 

[Boombox90 4,386]

3 minutes ago, Tudors said:

Taylor Swift is only famous because she's pretty and blonde

Taylor Swift is not pretty.

 

She is very average looking.

Nothing about her stands out.

[Slickness 17]

Outside the UK she has abotu 1-2 hit singles in Germany and France and that's about it, is the person who were comparing to Madonna dominated throughout Europe?

 This is just some of Madonna success in Europe:

  

I think it's comical how you're using the "in the last century" excuse for Madge as if that doesn't dismiss the first 20 years of her career  Regardless, she was the #1 female in the 20th century and is #3 in 21 century (2000-2022) in the UK. Who else did it like her from her generation? 

 

- She is both the most successful female artist in the RPM charts and in the Music & Media charts of continental Europe of all time.

- She has the longest-charting #1 album of all time in Europe (34 weeks).

- Has the most #1's out of any artist in history in Europe.

- More chart entries in Europe than any other artist in history.

- Highest-grossing female tour in Europe (for 17 years and counting now). 

- Best-selling non-Francophone international female artist.

- Highest attended show ever in France.

- Best-selling international female artist in Germany.

- More #1 albums in Germany than any other artists. 

- Most successful singles artist in German history.

- Best-selling album by a foreign artist in Italy. 

- More #1's in Italy than any other artist. 

- Highest attended show ever in Italy.

- Most #1's in the Netherlands by any artist in history.

- Best-selling compilation album (solo and female artist) in the UK. 

- #1 female of all time in the UK (last update January 2023) 

- Highest-grossing solo show in Wembley stadium. 

- More #1 albums in the UK than any other female artist.

- Most times for a female artist to simultaneously top the UK singles and albums charts in the UK.

- First female artist to dominate year-end singles and albums charts in the UK.

- Most #1's in Spain out of any artist in history. 

- Most #1's in Ireland out any artist in history. 

- fastest-selling show of all time in Estonia.

- fastest-selling show of all time in Romania.

- fastest selling show of all time in Portugal.

- biggest show of all time in Switzerland.

- biggest show ever in Czech Republic. 

- largest audience ever for a Nordic country.

- largest music concert in the history of Iberian Peninsula. 

 

[Boombox90 4,386]

Why are we using another account today?

[MPowered 7,772]

Just now, Tudors said:

Taylor Swift is only famous because she's pretty and blonde

I actually think her "prettiness" is fairly overrated. She looks constipated all the time.

[MPowered 7,772]

1 minute ago, Boombox90 said:

Why are we using another account today?

omg  Expose the dupe!

[Alpha 1,951]

11 minutes ago, Slickness said:

Outside of a few places she doesn't sell well or chart well either. In Austria where she had to cancel her show, she has sold very little albums there and has never charted well in that country despite selling out shows there. U2 has been one of the most succesful touring acts for decades now and so has the stones but when is the last time they had a successful album or hit single. Her tour for most overseas is just something that people are going to, in fact in some of the places she toured the crowd was mostly Americans not the locals who went to see her,  an example is in Spain she sold out shows but has like 2 hits singles from years ago and 1 album that charted well over there. 

STOP THE PRESSES! TAYLOR IS FLOP CUZ SHE ONLY HAD 2 HIT SINGLES IN SPAIN...FLOPLOR SWIFT! 

[aitorelao 163]

Their careers belong to different eras. Madonna's imperial years were when the physical format, real promo, radio support and international visibility were needed. Taylor is from the streaming, social media, multiple album editions , bulk buying and payola years. Even the "record" sales thing is rigged counting single and streaming data instead of REAL album sales. We cannot compare them because they belong to complete music industry eras.

Madonna's impact in every music related aspect, record sales and charts around the globe and legacy are something Taylor will never get as she's doing incredibly well but she's the most basic, scripted and most chart obsessed artist in the industry. And we better not talk about that mentally 7 year old fanbase.

Imagine Madonna's career if the internet and social media had been like today during her first 2 decades in the industry. 

[ChrisK 8,990]

Regardless of how she got her success, doesn't change the fact that from a sales perspective  she will unfortunately surpass Madonna.

Taylor is a brand, a corporation. Up until recently, she remained very a-politcal - so interesting to see her actually have a point of view now.

[Aiwa08 18,464]

14 minutes ago, Slickness said:

 an example is in Spain she sold out shows but has like 2 hits singles from years ago and 1 album that charted well over there. 

Quiet, you fool! They'll think we’ve been living under a rock here in Spain!

[NRMX 5,654]

@Arckangeldid you see Carol G dancing with Taylor??? 

[MPowered 7,772]

3 minutes ago, ChrisK said:

Regardless of how she got her success, doesn't change the fact that from a sales perspective  she will unfortunately surpass Madonna.

There's still quite a huge gap and her music will not have a lot of longevity. That's the issue. Her music isn't iconic enough to have as much of a legacy.

Hopefully the world can get rid of her before she gets close.

[Alpha 1,951]

2 minutes ago, Aiwa08 said:

Quiet, you fool! They'll think we’ve been living under a rock here in Spain!

Countries are not un-susceptible to being out of touch 👶 so perhaps!

[Aiwa08 18,464]

1 minute ago, Alpha said:

Countries are not un-susceptible to being out of touch 👶 so perhaps!

[Tudors 680]

Alpha just learned the term out of touch today. Sorry yall

[Alpha 1,951]

Just now, Aiwa08 said:

🤔 if only that response made sense.

Either way, the elders seem PRESSED. Thankfully in my elder gay years I'm still fun!

Just now, Tudors said:

Alpha just learned the word out of touch today. Sorry yall

@Tudors feel free to tag me when speaking about me or else sadly you just come across and probably are a little sneak who can talk smack but afraid when people reply. Also...what word did i learn? Out? Or do you think i never knew the word Of? Or maybe you think I've never knew the word Touch? Or is the word you think i learned today was Today? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE! I DON'T UNDERSTAND DUMB REPLIES!

[Boombox90 4,386]

Why is the Beta trying to be Alpha?

[NRMX 5,654]

24 minutes ago, Boombox90 said:

Taylor Swift is not pretty.

 

She is very average looking.

Nothing about her stands out.

I love her veneers though 

[Tudors 680]

2 minutes ago, Boombox90 said:

Why is the Beta trying to be Alpha?

He's out of touch

 

[Slickness 17]

11 minutes ago, MPowered said:

There's still quite a huge gap and her music will not have a lot of longevity. That's the issue. Her music isn't iconic enough to have as much of a legacy.

Hopefully the world can get rid of her before she gets close.

If you go to the UKmix forum Madonna stuff is still charting globally/selling and her streams continue to go up.

[Alpha 1,951]

7 minutes ago, Boombox90 said:

Why is the Beta trying to be Alpha?

Ha that's a good one, low hanging fruit tho...damn you would think with all the supposed hip people here there would be more creative insults

[Alpha 1,951]

6 minutes ago, Tudors said:

He's out of touch

 

When it comes to you, correct. I definitely would not want touching involved. Stranger danger! 

[Alpha 1,951]

10 minutes ago, Boombox90 said:

Why is the Beta trying to be Alpha?

Also are you seriously so scared to actually tag me or quote me when discussing me? Not very alpha of you! Don't worry, i won't judge you being a cuck.

[Boombox90 4,386]

3 minutes ago, Alpha said:

Ha that's a good one, low hanging fruit tho...damn you would think with all the supposed hip people here there would be more creative insults

It’s not an insult.

You just come across very hostile and angry.

 

Life is too short!