Very honestly, has Taylor Swift surpassed Madonna all-around?

[Alpha 1,940]

1 minute ago, Boombox90 said:

It’s not an insult.

You just come across very hostile and angry.

 

Life is too short!

...me? Out of ALL the members on this board...I am the hostile angry one? Gorrrrrl...the lack of self awareness of so many people here is astounding. I am literally Roger the Alien from American Dad meets ALF. That is literally me. 

[Alpha 1,940]

Btw this might be the perfect place for me to plug my fanart instagram @consecration_of_madonna 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_yGqW5vZPj/?igsh=NGdpbzZneHRmZmVz

I started my page for alternate artwork and hopefully have been improving 🙃

[Chris 1,103]

im not gonna write up a whole essay on this but un some respects, more or less, yes she has. they both have a decline in the quality of their releases some time after their prime/peak. (madonna, post-2006, taylor, post-2016)

[love enhanced 6]

artistically? hell no!

commercially? maybe, but taylor has a lot more things in her favor than madonna had back in her heyday

[Would You Like To Try 9,434]

5 hours ago, MPowered said:

I actually think her "prettiness" is fairly overrated. She looks constipated all the time.

WHAT IS THAT?

[Tudors 677]

Throwback Thursday! Ew Taylor what did you just do with your boogers and snot?

 

 

[True Blue 84 2,185]

But......... she still hasn't surpassed Madonna in " best selling female artists of all time " 

Slay 💅🏻.... 

[Veronica-Electronica 344]

7 hours ago, Alpha said:

Btw this might be the perfect place for me to plug my fanart instagram @consecration_of_madonna 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_yGqW5vZPj/?igsh=NGdpbzZneHRmZmVz

I started my page for alternate artwork and hopefully have been improving 🙃

Oh wow I follow you on Insta but didn’t know it was “Alpha” from here!!

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8 hours ago, MPowered said:

Everything about Taylor's success is 100% artificial and inorganic.

1. She grew up in a very wealthy household and had absolutely everything handed to her.

2. She is and has always been extremely privileged. She was signed to a relatively small record label that was bought by her dad who had a major impact in shaping her career. She was essentially their only priority and pretty much all the promotion money went into her. She started out as a country singer with the intention of going into pop knowing that the best way to do it was to get the audience that rejected pop music and thought it was the music of the devil on her side (white midwest Christians). I knew a lot of girls and teens at that time who weren't allowed to listen to any pop music but were rather allowed to listen to Taylor because she was country and therefore obviously a Christian (and thought to be a Republican).

3. Once she went into pop she already had the bunch of snobbish, racist and sexist old white men that make up the majority of the voting panels in the music industry (Grammys, AMA, etc.) on her side. They would rather vote for someone with a country background over someone who is RnB or pop. It has been confirmed that she's considered the "lesser evil" for them.

4. This woman NEVER had to actually fight or battle the industry she tried to set foot in, she never had to experience the amount of sexism and scrutiny that Madonna had to suffer. In addition to that, she employed Kpop marketing to the marketing of her music. It's extremely exploitative and she encourages her fan's obsessive behavior and low-key manipulates them into working for her over-time. It's mind-control essentially.

5. She has been extremely local for the majority of her career. Her only other big global era was 1989 because of Shake It Off and Blank Space. Other than that, she's more known for the hype around her as a celebrity. If Americans say it's hip and cool to be a fan of her, girls abroad will follow them. It's the TikTok effect. For example: TikTok has also decided that Mariah Carey is cool and her shade is "funny", whereas Madonna is considered and ugly, bitter and talentless old hag. This app has got to GO.

6. She is incredibly narcissistic, egocentric and obsessive. Every time another artist was about to drop a new album or a single that could pose a threat to her chart position, she released another pointless collectible or variant of her album to block them. She deserves absolutely no praise or hype for the amount of mediocrity that she embodies.

The recipe of her success is this:

- Political neutrality for a long time throughout her career. Thus, garnering the support of most media outlets and not pissing off 50% of the American population. She avoids controversy as much as she can, her PR team is known to also bribe and sue certain media outlets, critics and reviewers if they write something negative about her.

- Constantly painting herself as a victim to stir up her fans against her personal enemies and ex-boyfriends. Her music also contains a lot of songs with her playing the victim. Her fans seem to identify a lot with that.

- Easily digestible and mostly inoffensive music that is supposed to be deep but is essentially just a blatant rip-off of Lana Del Rey's style of writing.

- Targeting straight teen girls in particular who usually don't listen to a lot of gay-coded artists and sway more towards male artists. They make up the majority of her fanbase. The gays appear more divided on her overall. Women are her target audience. That is not the case for artists like Madonna or Lady Gaga.

- Shady tactics to increase her sales and streaming numbers.

This is just weird and creepy

[Boombox90 4,378]

9 minutes ago, cyberrage said:

This is just weird and creepy

[subversive 1,143]

Well, for gen Z, alpha or whatever yes. Madonna surpased with her generation. I mean, there are different point of view in history, there are totally different societies, standards and so on. it's like surpased van gogh to the previous artist? frida to the previous painters? and most important, why confront and compare them? Again?

Oasis are not compared with the beatles for example... they did back in time, press compare their succeses but not surpases anything... so take a look on that.

If anybody compare them... it would be ridiculous as Oasis.

[Redha DBL 7,849]

This is what i call modern virtual bullshit, where Taylor Swift has surpassed Madonna and Kanye West had surpassed Michael Jackson yet 99% of people here in France cannot name or sing a single song of both of them. It's an alternative world where virtual records are made of fake streaming where softwares play tracks non-stop in loops to make numbers get even bigger and replace real records from the old real world where people had to walk out of their house and give real money to buy real records... The most absurd thing is when people compare the records from these both different worlds as if they were the same and could be compared... Real cannot be compared with virtual as the same measure.

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1 minute ago, Redha DBL said:

This is what i call modern virtual bullshit, where Taylor Swift has surpassed Madonna and Kanye West had surpassed Michael Jackson yet 99% of people here in France cannot name or sing a single song of both of them. It's an alternative world where virtual records are made of fake streaming where softwares play tracks non-stop in loops to make numbers get even bigger and replace real records from the old real world where people had to walk out of their house and give real money to buy real records... The most absurd thing is when people compare the records from these both different worlds as if they were the same and could be compared... Real cannot be compared with virtual as the same measure.

Absolutely!!
And Taylor surpassed Beatles too!!
I think she is maybe the most overrated celebrity last few decades - very un-interesting for me.

[blondebenji 1,994]

I love Taylor and her music but what I will say is that the decision to re-record every album has paid off and then some. She has been huge but this definitely took her a step up.  Its like double dipping.  Giving the album a second life and chart life.

[MPowered 7,768]

Remember when this clown also decided to remove and not upload any of her music on streaming platforms cause "they don't pay the artist enough". The reality is that back then she couldn't compete with many of her peers chart-wise and was on a commercial decline. She tried to FORCE her fanbase to go out and buy physical records to make her chart higher, cause streams didn't have as much value back then.

Then, when it was time to destroy her former archenemy she randomly decided to upload all her music at once to streaming, so she could shit on that artist's release week.

Her re-release campaign was also another scam. She claimed it was about "re-owning" her music after it was "stolen". Neither of these claims are true. She knew that overexposure and these new releases every few months would inflate her sales and status immensely. The guy she hates offered her several times to buy back her masters and never even tried to do her any harm, regardless she tried the absolute most to paint herself as the victim.

She is literally the same as Trump but in the music industry. Fraudulent schemes to increase money and inflate sales in addition to feuds and spreading lies, rumors and conspiracies about ppl that don't praise her.

[Madonna Wannabee Collector 250]

she'll never be as sexy as madonna

taylor has zero sex appeal

[SecretProject 520]

I’m happy for Taylor Swifts success. That said, I am baffled by it. She has no sex appeal or stage presence, her voice isn’t distinct, and her controversies are not about her positions on social issues (except her latest endorsement of Kamala Harris) but rather who she’s dating. She’s not challenging anything. Beyoncé is a far better example of a contemporary artist pushing boundaries and artistic expression. The Renaissance Tour changed the game in my eyes. I have yet to see any thing distinct about the eras tour besides its massive success. Again, I’d never wish for anyone’s downfall but I’m so confused. She popped up out of that stage and gave NOTHING and the crowd went wild.

I feel like Taylor is an artist that younger millennials and Gen Z gravitate towards because they’ve been bombarded with a constant stream of national and social issues via social media. The whole concept of millennial gray comes to mind. It’s a color so inoffensive and bland, that it doesn’t overstimulate anything. To me, Swift is the musical version of millennial gray. 

[TheG 32]

Not to be compared, only if thry existed in the sqme time for the most of their carrier... I mean, for me is M without compare, a far superior madter of pop game....misic, videos, appeal, fashion, game change, all of  it really.... But we see Taylor has 1 Tour outgrossing Ms career numbers....but again, not compate...we don't know how M would have done with inzernet, streaming, dynamic pricing, easier ways of travel, ataining tickets, all of it.... so as a product she did qnd will do better in nominal numbers....bit teal impact to their each time I doubt it....and yes she hast to me jet to release a song that is in the same box wit lime 30 of M best.... so... who cates about jer nu.bers...people are to the vast majority tasteless.....

[TheG 32]

Plus.... I think M wpuld kill herself is at mid 30ies she attracted the same "crpwds" as Tay....kids, teenage girls, prople who listen to music served by the radio and inzernet....+ their aunts, moms and some driving fathers🤣

[SecretProject 520]

9 minutes ago, TheG said:

Plus.... I think M wpuld kill herself is at mid 30ies she attracted the same "crpwds" as Tay....kids, teenage girls, prople who listen to music served by the radio and inzernet....+ their aunts, moms and some driving fathers🤣

True! Most Swift fans are people I'd never want to hang out with. Basic beckys. No shade! But also no flavor. Severe lack of taste.

[bedtimestory 768]

> I love taylor! Shes the MOST awarded in vma history! Won 7 out of her 10 nominations, that never happens.

> She sure knows how to engage her fanbase and keep them WELL FED begging for more.

> Her Eras tour is the BEST tour format ive ever seen.

> Shes a billionare, ONLY from making music! This is admirable, no other artist ever came close to that. 

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3 minutes ago, bedtimestory said:

> I love taylor! Shes the MOST awarded in vma history! Won 7 out of her 10 nominations, that never happens.

> She sure knows how to engage her fanbase and keep them WELL FED begging for more.

> Her Eras tour is the BEST tour format ive ever seen.

> Shes a billionare, ONLY from making music! This is admirable, no other artist ever came close to that. 

Thanks ChatGPT 👀

[bedtimestory 768]

PT 2 :

> She GLOBALLY loved and well known, not just in the US. (this is hard to obtain!)

> Her music videos high budget and iconic! Full of engaging clues and easter eggs.

> She always dresses her BEST, at all times!  (She's stunningly beautiful)

> The #1 most listened artist on spotify many times, #1 in the  WORLD! 

> Her latest album was #1 for more than 12  weeks straight!. a record only held by Whitney : The Bodyguard album.

 

[Alpha 1,940]

9 hours ago, Veronica-Electronica said:

Oh wow I follow you on Insta but didn’t know it was “Alpha” from here!!

Haha oh really? I knew you followed me cuz you have the same name and profile pic :P ty!

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