androiduser 2,981 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 With the biopic in the making, I am wondering how the Sean Penn topic will be addressed, and if we will finally find out what really happened on the night Sean supposedly bound and abused M for 9 hours. There is a very well documented article discussing this topic with all the reports, rumors, quotes from interviews (with Madonna outright denying the claims and Sean Penn being less clear about the details). But looking at all of this, even if the tabloids made something up, there must have been some truth to it, as there are official claims that the police did get involved. https://www.gawker.com/did-sean-penn-beat-up-madonna-an-archaeology-of-hollyw-1748746261 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vogue Italia 388 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I believe that Sean was verbally and physically abusive. Where there's smoke there's fire. He was violent in public so I don't doubt that he was violent in private especially when he was intoxicated. Madonna initially filed for an annulment in 1987 for a reason. She tried to give it another shot but after the last reported incident, which I believe has some truth to it, she made the right choice to leave him for good. They divorced over 30 years ago and are on friendly terms now. Whatever he did she has clearly forgiven him so I don't expect her to vilify him in the film. I can see her still wanting to protect him and she doesn't seem the type to victimize herself as a battered wife. She will probably portray a heated argument between them with Sean throwing an object towards a wall or hitting an object. According to the post-it notes of scenes, the film will show Sean assaulting the paparazzi and Madonna visiting him in jail. It's in the thread The Biopic; Untitled **Spoilers**. Velvet Rope, Roy and Levon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDRA 4,275 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 2 hours ago, androiduser said: there must have been some truth to it, as there are official claims that the police did get involved. 1 hour ago, Vogue Italia said: Where there's smoke there's fire. Quote I am aware of the allegations that have surfaced over the years accusing Sean of incidents of physical assault and abuse against me. Specifically, I am aware of the allegations concerning an alleged incident that occurred in June 1987, whereby (according to tabloid reports) Sean allegedly struck me with ‘a baseball bat’. I know the allegations in those and other reports to be completely outrageous, malicious and false. I am also aware of allegations concerning an incident that occurred in December 1989, which purportedly resulted in Sean’s arrest for domestic assault and battery against me. I know those allegations to be false. While we certainly had more than one heated argument during our marriage, Sean has never struck me, ‘tied me up’ or physically assaulted me, and any report to the contrary is completely outrageous, malicious, reckless and false. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/18/madonna-says-sean-penn-never-hit-her-as-she-offers-evidence-for-her-ex-husband But hey, I'm sure her fans know best! Celebration 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drownedboy 1,878 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I think he´s still the love of her live, and I think he admires her a lot as an actor and all of that, I think she does not want to hurt the social friendness they seem to share nowadays. Now, as for Guy Ritchie, that´s another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenRain 367 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Madonna is still in love with Sean. She's very protective of him Levon and PanditaRulez 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanky1995 3,278 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 When I get chance I will have another read of their divorce papers again but from memory nothing major is in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drunkby6 517 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Spanky1995 said: When I get chance I will have another read of their divorce papers again but from memory nothing major is in them Something about him always breaking the door and chucking her vases about. What a dick! Starchild, Spanky1995, mikenmark and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Aardvark 5,158 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 "An Archaeology of Hollywood’s Most Explosive Rumor" PlayPause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starchild 3,693 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I should be glad that I'm aliveIt could have been much worseI might have never loved at allAnd never known what I am worthHow the gods aboveCould be so unfair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levon 2,226 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Didn't Madonna describe what happened then? They never laugh, not like before She takes the keys, he breaks the door She cannot stay here anymore He's not in love with her anymore The bruises they will fade away You hit so hard with the things you say I will not stay to watch your hate as it grows You're not in love with someone else You don't even love yourself Still I wish you'd ask me not to go He takes a drink, she goes inside He starts to scream, the vases fly He wishes that, she wouldn't cry He's not in love with her anymore He makes demands, she draws the line He starts the fight, she starts the lie But what is true, when something dies He's not in love with her anymore She's had enough, she says the end But she'll come back, she knows it then A chance to start it all again Till death do us part 50ft Queenie, PlayPause, ahlegx and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Aardvark 5,158 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 It gives her something to write about eh ? https://www.glamour.com/story/madonna-mdna-divorce-album MDRA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderboy 1,964 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I dont remember which magazine it was but I remember around Rebel Heart era, when Sean sued Lee Daniels, Madonna defended him & brought up the 1989 allegations, she denied everything, said he was verbal, but never physical with her & never tied her up or anything, but who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pootz333 2,947 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 All I know is "Til Death Do Us Part" shoulda been a single. wonderboy, madgefan and kevin 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathproof 11,281 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 People always say police records exist, but ive never come across them.. madaboutM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilpray 2,390 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 She won't address this. Her daddy issues will get in the way lol heikeeduardo and Starchild 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendanlovesu1 13,503 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I know this is old, but I did more digging and there is zero proof that Sean assaulted Madonna. Zero. No police reports, no verified eye witnesses, no anything. Additionally, there’s an affidavit from Madonna swearing that he never touched her. No other women have corroborated that he is physically abusive. Yet, people continue to state with confidence that Sean is a wife beater. PlayPause, Celebration and MDRA 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pootz333 2,947 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 If it is true, it adds another genius layer to the "Human Nature" video where she's tied to the chair. When the media put out nude images without her consent and speculated about all the details of her alleged abuse, that was cool. But when she was in control of her sexuality and how it was presented and playing with s&m themes, it was a problem. Oh,that 90's Madonna....so genius. Leandro Gomes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starchild 3,693 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 There’s a passage in Christopher’s book that describes a fight between Sean and Madonna, where Sean is being very aggressive and Christopher comes to her rescue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 2,981 Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Brendanlovesu1 said: I know this is old, but I did more digging and there is zero proof that Sean assaulted Madonna. Zero. No police reports, no verified eye witnesses, no anything. Additionally, there’s an affidavit from Madonna swearing that he never touched her. No other women have corroborated that he is physically abusive. Yet, people continue to state with confidence that Sean is a wife beater. Wasn't there a police officer who described her as a barely recognizable after the abuse happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK 9,095 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 The fact that they remained friends after the divorce indicates it's probably overstated. They probably had a fight - he might have raised his hands - she might have thrown a vase - but doubt anyone was injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendanlovesu1 13,503 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, androiduser said: Wasn't there a police officer who described her as a barely recognizable after the abuse happened? "According to a report filed by Madonna with the Malibu sheriff’s office, Penn scaled the wall surrounding the Malibu house [in the late afternoon of December 28, 1989] and found Madonna alone in the master bedroom. The two began to quarrel. Penn told her he owned her ‘lock, stock and barrel’. When she told him she was leaving the house, he tried to bind her hands with an electric lamp and cord. Screaming and afraid, Madonna fled from the bedroom. What followed was a nine-hour ordeal which left her deeply shaken. Penn chased her into the living room, caught her and bound her to a chair with heavy twine. Then he threatened to cut off her hair. According to the police report, Penn was ‘drinking liquor straight from the bottle’ and the abuse went on for several hours, during which time he smacked and roughed up his victim. He went out to buy more alcohol, leaving Madonna bound and gagged. Some hours later, he returned and continued his attacks. Madonna said that he untied her after she agreed to perform a degrading sex act on him. She then fled the house and ran to her car. Penn ran after her and was banging on the windows of her Thunderbird while she spoke to police on her mobile phone. Fifteen minutes later, she staggered into the sheriff’s office. Lieut Bill McSweeny said: ‘I hardly recognised her as Madonna. She was weeping, her lip was bleeding and she had obviously been struck.’ Penn was taken away in handcuffs and charged with inflicting ‘corporal injury and traumatic conditions’ on her, as well as committing ‘battery." Update: 12/20/15 – As part of Sean Penn’s ongoing defamation suit against Lee Daniels, Madonna has categorically denied that Penn ever struck her with a baseball bat, as per a 1987 tabloid report, or that there was ever an incident in December 1989 which resulted in Sean’s arrest for domestic assault and battery, “While we certainly had more than one heated argument during our marriage, Sean has never struck me, ‘tied me up,’ or physically assaulted me, and any report to the contrary is completely outrageous, malicious, reckless, and false.” – https://www.google.com/amp/s/weminoredinfilm.com/2015/03/24/about-that-one-time-sean-penn-tied-madonna-to-a-chair-tormented-her-for-hours/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgefan 10,239 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 All I can say about this matter is that when you're really in love and committed to one person only you can hardly ever see his/her flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starchild 3,693 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I have never liked Sean’s energy, even beyond his time with M.His only redeeming quality is the film Into The Wild. heikeeduardo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDRA 4,275 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 11 hours ago, Vasili said: There’s a passage in Christopher’s book that describes a fight between Sean and Madonna, where Sean is being very aggressive and Christopher comes to her rescue. I'm sure he only had the best of intentions selling his book and only wanted to portray the full truth and not make himself look like a hero victim in any way. mikenmark and heikeeduardo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starchild 3,693 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 hours ago, slutpride said: I'm sure he only had the best of intentions selling his book and only wanted to portray the full truth and not make himself look like a hero victim in any way. It's actually a great book and open-minded Madonna fans have taken the time to read it. heikeeduardo, G House and deathproof 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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