A. A. Aardvark 5,158 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 10 hours ago, theglamorous said: Nile Rodgers doesn't name names but curious to know who vetoe'd her involvement Isn't this the guy who refused to fuck her ? no one is the answer androiduser and Blue Jean 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjonkers 1,720 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Well, Madonna did rob one of Michael Jackson's two managers at the time (Freddy Demann) who had left him the previous year and moved to her camp, so there may have been some bad blood on the managerial front rather than the artist side of things. We won in the end though, so whatever happened (maybe nothing), she was better off not being involved on the musical front. She has given far more of herself to Africa in recent years than any of the artists involved in that song. Rebel Hugo, bitchimmadonna, madgefan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MadameX 682 Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 This is billboard single chart of 1985 March 30, 1985 No 02. Madonna-Material girl No 05. USA for Africa-We are the world No 09. Madonna-Crazy for you April 6, 1985 No 02. USA for Africa-We are the world No 03. Madonna-Material girl No 04. Madonna-Crazy for you April 13, 1985 No 01. USA for Africa-We are the world No 03. Madonna-Crazy for you No 05. Madonna-Material girl April 20, 1985 No 01. USA for Africa-We are the world No 02. Madonna-Crazy for you No13. Madonna-Material girl April 27, 1985 No 01. USA for Africa-We are the world No 02. Madonna-Crazy for you No 23. Madonna-Material girl May 04, 1985 No 01. USA for Africa-We are the world No 02. Madonna-Crazy for you No 37. Madonna-Material girl No 41. Madonna-Angel May 11, 1985 No 01. Madonna-Crazy for you No 02. USA for Africa-We are the world No 32. Madonna-Angel No 50. Madonna-Material girl And most importantly. Billboard Year-End Hot 100 singles chart of 1985 No 02. Madonna-Like a virgin No 09. Madonna-Crazy for you No 20. USA for Africa-We are the world No 58. Madonna-Material girl No 81.Madonna-Angel No 98.Madonna-Dress you up Madonna's crazy for you had kicked We Are the World's ass. So. That's the Queen of pop we could call. And that's the one of reason Why Madonna was named the Artist of the Decade Not MJ by Billboard and MTV and etc. ;) MandyLePumpum, Inco, bitchimmadonna and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jean 17,450 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 There’s another interview where (from memory) he says they didn’t invite her because they didn’t think she was a good enough singer. I also seem to recall him saying there were tears. Sorry I can’t find it to check the exact quote but I seem to remember it was with Andy Cohen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jean 17,450 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 ALSO It is interesting to consider that she was managed by DeMann and that MJ agreed to exclude her. I do believe there was bad blood between DeMann and MJ. I also wonder if she had already hired Pat by then because he had recently worked as musical director with The Jacksons on tour. And he was disinterested in working with Madonna when he first got the call for the same kind of reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathproof 11,281 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 On 12/24/2022 at 8:20 AM, Levon said: It was said at the time that Michael Jackson hated Madonna and Prince, but since USA for Africa was his project, among others, they were ignored for the single. Of course, this was noticeable because both were at the (first) peak of their careers - and the biggest pop acts were invited to this charity event. Madonna was at Live Aid shortly after, but Michael Jackson declined to be there. Prince didn't show up either, but contributed a song (as for the USA for Africa album) and Madonna wore a Prince designed suit. Prince wasn’t ignored. He was invited to take part by multiple people involved, he just had no interest to do it as he hated the song. That’s why he contributed a song to the album instead. theglamorous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes 6,237 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 What happened with Prince was while they were all recording that track he went out in LA and a brawl between paparazzis and one of his bodyguard erupted, the press made a big deal about it saying while others were doing charity work he was making a fuss. He recalled it all in the Raspberry Beret b-side "Hello" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOmOUpVvSwY https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-01-30-ca-5763-story.html wtg1987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levon 2,226 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 5 hours ago, deathproof said: Prince wasn’t ignored. He was invited to take part by multiple people involved, he just had no interest to do it as he hated the song. For Prince, this reasoning would be understood. But why was Madonna ignored, whose star outshone many of those involved at that time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 2,981 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, Levon said: For Prince, this reasoning would be understood. But why was Madonna ignored, whose star outshone many of those involved at that time? because at that time she wasn't outshining most of them yet, she had a few singles out by that time PlayPause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jean 17,450 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 I can't honestly imagine Madonna or Prince singing on this song. deathproof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adonna 21,551 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Levon said: For Prince, this reasoning would be understood. But why was Madonna ignored, whose star outshone many of those involved at that time? It's been posted and discussed. The song was recorded in January 1985 when Madonna was just becoming very popular with "Like A Virgin". Plans were made before LAV went #1. Everyone involved have had long established recording careers. So no, she hadn't outshone some of the most biggest icons included like Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Lionel Ritchie, Bruce Springsteen, Harry Belafonte, Smokey Robinson, Paul Simon, Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Ray Charles, Hall and Oates, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Willie Nelson, Bob Dylan, Kenny Loggins, Kim Carnes, Huey Lewis, Pointer Sisters, and the list goes on. She may have surpassed some after the fact, but all involved have had huge successful careers, some for decades already. I don't believe she was ignored, but rather not thought to be included at the time. valinecode, Levon, PlayPause and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levon 2,226 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, androiduser said: because at that time she wasn't outshining most of them yet, she had a few singles out by that time At the time, she was one of the hottest US stars around. She already had four top ten hits, and it didn't make sense for her to be left out of the project, especially since she was more successful chart-wise at the time than the likes of Sheila, E., Bette Milder, La Toya, Dionne Warwick, Bob Geldof, Kenny Loggins, Al Jarreau, Jeffrey Osborne or Kim Carnes. But @tscott might be right: She probably became a star too fast/unexpectedly at that time, which was also shown by the fact that Crazy For You unexpectedly ousted We Are the World from #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adonna 21,551 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Levon said: At the time, she was one of the hottest US stars around. She already had four top ten hits, and it didn't make sense for her to be left out of the project, especially since she was more successful chart-wise at the time than the likes of Sheila, E., Bette Milder, La Toya, Dionne Warwick, Bob Geldof, Kenny Loggins, Al Jarreau, Jeffrey Osborne or Kim Carnes. But @tscott might be right: She probably became a star too fast/unexpectedly at that time, which was also shown by the fact that Crazy For You unexpectedly ousted We Are the World from #1. On the contrary, all those people you mentioned (aside to La Toya) had either established a career for at least a decade before, if not worked with some of the biggest known acts throughout the 70's. Bette Midler had already been in the business for more than a decade, had two #1 hits, several top 10, but mostly famous for the song and movie, The Rose which was in 1979. Sheila E worked and was a hugely established percussionist with some of the most popular artists, such as Diana Ross, Herbie Hancock, Lionel Richie, and Marvin Gaye. Dionne Warwick had been in the business since the 60's and had a number #1's, top ten songs and albums since the early 60's. Bob Geldof also had been in the business for years, mostly famous for his work with Pink Floyd, but obviously pulled in because of his work on the "Do You Know It's Christmas" charity single that was out months prior in 1984. Kenny Loggins had hit songs and albums for nearly a decade. Kim Carnes was in the business for more than a decade and had her biggest hit three years prior. Pretty much everyone on the song, were established acts if not had worked with well established acts that were part of the song Latoya is the only one who really didn't much have much of a musical career at that point, but come on, she's the sister of Michael Jackson one of the writers of the song. She and her brothers were definitely present to help out. So see, Madonna was yet to make a very big impact. She certainly was making some noise, but nothing to the capacity (yet) of any of the acts included on that song. Again, I don't believe she was ignored; I just think she wasn't really thought of to be included at the time. Edited December 26, 2022 by tscott (see edit history) DiegoLCL, PlayPause, androiduser and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jean 17,450 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 For all those saying she wasn't snubbed, I found the other interview where he talks about it. "They didn't think she could sing." bitchimmadonna, Frankito, PlayPause and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregVsMatt 3,940 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Blue Jean said: For all those saying she wasn't snubbed, I found the other interview where he talks about it. "They didn't think she could sing." Yes ^ Andreo, bitchimmadonna, Adonna and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen hearts 529 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Adonna 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theglamorous 4,129 Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 How many hits had Dan Akroyd had when they recorded this, my memory might be fading but I don't really remember him even being a singer lol madgefan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adonna 21,551 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 8 hours ago, theglamorous said: How many hits had Dan Akroyd had when they recorded this, my memory might be fading but I don't really remember him even being a singer lol I don't think it has to do with "how many hits", but rather he was part of the infamous Blues Brothers with James Belushi which did produced several top 40 hits and was a big deal in the early 80's. He was quite popular as an actor and was among some extremely popular films at the time, "We Are The World" was recorded. Ghostbusters was the big box office smash at the time, and he and Bette Midler were the two Hosts for the very first VMA's months before. Aiwa08, PlayPause and androiduser 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosmen1984mk 849 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 It always caused me surprise and disappointment not to see Madonna in this video that supposedly brought together the best of American music and it's not so much because of the song that I certainly don't like at all because it's repetitive and soporific but because of what it would have represented for Madonna's career. I remember the first day I saw the video and how I tried to identify her without success among so many strangers (I'm not from the USA, that's why I don't know most of them). I remember instantly recognizing Michael Jackson, Tina Turner, Bruce Springteen, Snoop Doog and even Cindy Lauper (?) but not a trace of Madonna. Where is Madonna? And my question remained unanswered. Until today, thanks to this topic, I learn many things, very bitter indeed. I definitely think it was the envy of seeing an unknown young woman rise to stardom so fast and the sixth sense that let them know that they were witnessing the birth of a mega star that would eventually end up overshadowing all of them the reasons why they did not invite her to participate in that song. If the decision was unanimous or made by a single person, one day it will be known, but I love seeing how fate finally played in Madonna's favor because not only did she manage to displace their famous song from the charts with Crazy for you, but she would end up being much more famous than all of them. As they say, he who laughs last laughs best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDRA 4,275 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 15 hours ago, tscott said: Blues Brothers with James Belushi It was Jim Belushi. The wrong kid died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazumimagica 100 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 If this article appearing now is a coincidence it’s a pretty uncanny one. Why wasn’t Madonna included in We Are The World Andreo and theglamorous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theglamorous 4,129 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 3 hours ago, kazumimagica said: If this article appearing now is a coincidence it’s a pretty uncanny one. Why wasn’t Madonna included in We Are The World Should've interviewed some of the guys on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenRain 367 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 I always thought M didn't want to be part of it because charity singles are lame. Sure she would have liked to be asked though. M has never said anything about it so we don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jean 17,450 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 14 hours ago, cake said: I always thought M didn't want to be part of it because charity singles are lame. Sure she would have liked to be asked though. M has never said anything about it so we don't know. Surely Nile Rogers is a reliable source? PlayPause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jean 17,450 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 On 12/27/2022 at 8:56 AM, chaosmen1984mk said: I remember instantly recognizing Michael Jackson, Tina Turner, Bruce Springteen, Snoop Doog and even Cindy Lauper (?) but not a trace of Madonna. Where is Madonna? And my question remained unanswered. kesiak, madgefan, PlayPause and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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