Would someone explain GOODBYE TO INNOCENCE......please......

[Dazedmadonna 18,464]

7 hours ago, gst6662000 said:

very very grateful to those who answered... the sequence made a lot of sense..... then i take that the erotica song would follow the same evolution....

Love Hurts

Erotica (Demo Instrumental) - from “”DAT””

Erotica (Rough Mix) January 15 1992 - from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette

Erotica (Final Demo) January 16 1992 - from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette (on the Rain Tapes there’s 2 copies of this track but they sound identical).

Erotica (Final Demo) - from 14-track Demo Cassette, leaked today (to me, it sounds just like an higher quality version of the one above).

Erotic - from SEX Book

Erotica (Album Version)

[gst6662000 409]

4 minutes ago, Dazedmadonna said:

Love Hurts

Erotica (Demo Instrumental) - from “”DAT””

Erotica (Rough Mix) January 15 1992 - from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette

Erotica (Final Demo) January 16 1992 - from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette (on the Rain Tapes there’s 2 copies of this track but they sound identical).

Erotica (Final Demo) - from 14-track Demo Cassette, leaked today (to me, it sounds just like an higher quality version of the one above).

Erotic - from SEX Book

Erotica (Album Version)

THANK U SO SO MUCH..... my headache's gone!

[Bad Boy 68]

10 hours ago, Curtains said:

Since we don't have all the dates confirmed, we can only speculate, but that would be my guess from oldest version to newest:

1. Goodbye to Innocence (Straight Pass) [from The Rain Tapes] - 5:57

2. Goodbye to Innocence (Final Edit) [from The Rain Tapes] - 5:36

3. Goodbye to Innocence (Demo) [from the Demo Assembly] - 4:57

4. Goodbye to Innocence (Final Demo Version) [from Erotica - Demo Tape 15.08.1992] - 4:39

5. Goodbye to Innocence (Released Version) [from Just Say Roe] - 4:52

Which version would have made the album? 

[Bad Boy 68]

10 hours ago, Curtains said:

Since we don't have all the dates confirmed, we can only speculate, but that would be my guess from oldest version to newest:

1. Goodbye to Innocence (Straight Pass) [from The Rain Tapes] - 5:57

2. Goodbye to Innocence (Final Edit) [from The Rain Tapes] - 5:36

3. Goodbye to Innocence (Demo) [from the Demo Assembly] - 4:57

4. Goodbye to Innocence (Final Demo Version) [from Erotica - Demo Tape 15.08.1992] - 4:39

5. Goodbye to Innocence (Released Version) [from Just Say Roe] - 4:52

Which version would have made the album? 

[Bad Boy 68]

10 hours ago, Curtains said:

Since we don't have all the dates confirmed, we can only speculate, but that would be my guess from oldest version to newest:

1. Goodbye to Innocence (Straight Pass) [from The Rain Tapes] - 5:57

2. Goodbye to Innocence (Final Edit) [from The Rain Tapes] - 5:36

3. Goodbye to Innocence (Demo) [from the Demo Assembly] - 4:57

4. Goodbye to Innocence (Final Demo Version) [from Erotica - Demo Tape 15.08.1992] - 4:39

5. Goodbye to Innocence (Released Version) [from Just Say Roe] - 4:52

Which version would have made the album? 

[gst6662000 409]

55 minutes ago, Bad Boy said:

Which version would have made the album? 

Most probably number 4

[Burroughs 922]

If you're curious of the history of Goodbye to Innocence, you can read Shep's Erotica diaries here:

https://www.sheppettibone.com/erotica-diaries

[gst6662000 409]

3 minutes ago, Cyberraga said:

If you're curious of the history of Goodbye to Innocence, you can read Shep's Erotica diaries here:

https://www.sheppettibone.com/erotica-diaries

Ohhhhh thank u so much.... 

[MPowered 7,775]

13 hours ago, Dazedmadonna said:

Instrumental Demo (5:52) from ""DAT""

Straight Pass (5:55) from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette

Final Edit (5:37) from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette

Demo (4:57) from 14-track Demo Cassette, leaked today

Demo 08-15-1992 (4:58) from 15-track Demo Cassette

Final Version (4:52) from Just Say Roe CD

Up Down Suite (12:16) from Rain Maxi CD

Fever - Back To The Dub 1 is another dub version of Goodbye To Innocence. It just uses a short vocal except of Fever at the very beginning.

[LongIslandTea 1,896]

14 hours ago, Dazedmadonna said:

Instrumental Demo (5:52) from ""DAT""

Straight Pass (5:55) from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette

Final Edit (5:37) from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette

Demo (4:57) from 14-track Demo Cassette, leaked today

Demo 08-15-1992 (4:58) from 15-track Demo Cassette

Final Version (4:52) from Just Say Roe CD

Up Down Suite (12:16) from Rain Maxi CD

I foresee a "new" 90s promo CD single coming soon on eBay

[Bad Boy 68]

10 hours ago, gst6662000 said:

Most probably number 4

So number 5 was remixed and re-recorded specifically for the Just Say Roe compilation? 

[gst6662000 409]

13 hours ago, Dazedmadonna said:

Love Hurts

Erotica (Demo Instrumental) - from “”DAT””

Erotica (Rough Mix) January 15 1992 - from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette

Erotica (Final Demo) January 16 1992 - from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette (on the Rain Tapes there’s 2 copies of this track but they sound identical).

Erotica (Final Demo) - from 14-track Demo Cassette, leaked today (to me, it sounds just like an higher quality version of the one above).

Erotic - from SEX Book

Erotica (Album Version)

So she revisited the lyrics of love hurts on erotic after working on erotica for so long...? Ohhh

[gst6662000 409]

1 hour ago, Bad Boy said:

So number 5 was remixed and re-recorded specifically for the Just Say Roe compilation? 

It's so unusual they can't decide how the song would sound like

[ChrisK 8,990]

5 minutes ago, gst6662000 said:

So she revisited the lyrics of love hurts on erotic after working on erotica for so long...? Ohhh

or according to the erotica diaries, when she went off - she revisited those lyrics herself and came back in and re-recorded them.

[gst6662000 409]

4 minutes ago, Jackie said:

or according to the erotica diaries, when she went off - she revisited those lyrics herself and came back in and re-recorded them.

The first appearance of the middle eastern influence then adapted to the final album track?

[A. A. Aardvark 5,110]

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[gst6662000 409]

Has someone did a mashup of the final demo with fever lyrics? I want to hear what they heard back then to make them record fever and abandon this gem

[MPowered 7,775]

13 hours ago, Bad Boy said:

Which version would have made the album? 

Likely #5 cause the released dub versions: Up Down Suite & Fever - Back To The Dub 1 are also based on the Just Say Roe Version.

[Honey Little 4,484]

22 hours ago, Jackie said:

So interesting right! Maybe a digital doesn't exist other than the original DAT.

Yes, 🙌 There could be an entire book 📕 on Fever, Up Down Suite and GTI and all the remix and recording sessions. 

[A. A. Aardvark 5,110]

On 6/1/2024 at 1:10 AM, Dazedmadonna said:

Instrumental Demo (5:52) from ""DAT""

Straight Pass (5:55) from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette

Final Edit (5:37) from 'Library of Congress / Rain Tapes' Cassette

Demo (4:57) from 14-track Demo Cassette, leaked today

Demo 08-15-1992 (4:58) from 15-track Demo Cassette

Final Version (4:52) from Just Say Roe CD

Up Down Suite (12:16) from Rain Maxi CD

Praise th' Lard

[A. A. Aardvark 5,110]

On 6/2/2024 at 12:30 AM, gst6662000 said:

So she revisited the lyrics of love hurts on erotic after working on erotica for so long...? Ohhh

forgetting where you first wrote something is for legal reasons

"Curiously "Up And Down Suite" is divided in three parts on vinyl,
although the reproduction isn't affected."
https://www.discogs.com/release/77802-Madonna-Rain
how v. G. Michael, Prince...

[Jitterbug 3,521]

On 6/1/2024 at 12:57 PM, Bad Boy said:

Which version would have made the album? 

Number 4 I guess. Chances are:

- Maybe they used this instrumental or a very similar one to record the demo of Fever

- Or maybe GTI evolved to a more polished form (closer to the instrumental of Fever) and then they switched the lyrics to Fever. I’m sure this is what happened, the demo 4 for me sounds more like a concept demo than an actual demo itself.

Although I love the GTI lyrics, I think the ‘93 version is the right one, they finally got it sound right