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Damn. I didn't know that about the premiere. That is worrying. I think it is so easy to get hooked, no matter who you are. I knew my neck pain was temporary, but if it had been ongoing, I don't know what I would have done. It is such an easy and slippery slope. I am sad that she is in pain and now worried what that might or has led to. Chronic pain is definitely a gateway to this kind of addiction. You're right, at 60+ broken bones/fractures etc... are harder to recover from, and she was performing injured for a period of time which would have made it worse.

One time I wrenched my neck so bad I could barely move. The doctor prescribed a painkiller. It was the most disgusting thing I have ever had, and I have tried most every drug out there. I threw them away after one and then smoked a few J's until I was better. I don't trust the majority of prescription drugs and especially legal painkillers. I am shocked if she is on opiods and weed. She must be in an enormous amount of pain or as is being implied maybe developing an addiction. I seriously hope not.

I said in the other thread, she has 50 #1 dance hits. Sounds likely that is what we are getting. All her 12" remixes ETA: All her #1 12" remixes

Yeah I assume she is. Here are all my dance #1's you can dance (to these hits)

How many dance #1's has she had? Isn't it 50. I assumed were getting a compilation of all the 12" mixes of her songs that hit #1 on the dance chart. Isn't that what she is talking about. Not some You Can Dance release

This is probably true. Freddy DeMann said in Mar 85 that he was already concerned about her being over exposed. It only got more intense by summer 85. I dare say he and others pulled the plug on a lot of promo for fear people would get sick of her.

MTV couldn't get enough of her. They didn't have to play any of her videos but often had 3 on the go at once in 1985 on heavy rotation. Also they played Gambler and that wasn't even a single. So I doubt this is true. Pretty sure they also briefly played Over and Over from the Virgin Tour as well.

I honestly feel M has access to anything she wants and it is more about the team she has working for her that makes things happen or not. For example she may not think of certain things, but having the right person in her inner circle and in her ear about things can change what we get access to.

That's what I was thinking too, though hopefully someone in the know is giving us gifts and for whatever reason they just preferred the 5.1 mix

So does anyone know what sound mix they used? It is not the HBO sound mix. Nikki and Donna's vocals were much more present in that and the crowd response sounded more natural. This almost sounds like the 5.1 DVD mix - which I have always hated.

Yes, I double checked, it is the HBO cut. Amazing

In most countries the song did pretty well and had strong peaks. Not sure about longevity though, but it went top 10 and higher in many places. Here in Australia people were getting tired of the broken touring promises and lack of any promo from her when tons of newer stars were making the trek here and paying us a lot more attention. M ignoring us hurt her more in Oz than anything else. In the US it didn't fare well but lack of radio support didn't help and the backlash led by Perez Hilton didn't help much. Plus to be honest the bigger mistake was the front cover of the Hard Candy album. It will always get my vote as her worst album cover ever. I also think her image during the promo (excluding the 4 minutes video) was so Beverly Hills housewife all while she was trying to push an urban flavoured dance album. I remember the BET interview being the moment I felt the whole era was so disingenuous and that is why I am convinced to this day it was another reactionary album, after Confessions failed to get her US commercial success. So single choices were not her biggest problem back then, at least not for me. Give It 2 Me is a decent song and I still enjoy it.

Yeah 85 was when the music took off, but also the myth and the legend really started being built. LAV both album and single hit #1, Material Girl #2, CFY another #1 Angel and Dress You Up in the top 5 and ITG never released but might as well have been another #1. The huge success of Desperately Seeking Susan, dating and marrying Sean Penn, the playboy/penthouse scandal, the Virgin Tour and Live AID. It was non stop all year. This was the year every newspaper, tv show and magazine was talking about M non stop and the paps started stalking her and even flew over her wedding. The obssession had begun. True Blue hitting big just cemented it and LAP gave her the critical approval that had been begrudging before that. 1989 was when music critics started taking her seriously. Yeah 1990 was another massive year, another 1985 and it too just shot her into the strasophere for sure.

1985 - no doubt it was that year that made her a mega star. Everything before that was fame and popularity and stuff but 1985 put her in the upper echelon. Everything after that made her untouchable

Actually I just realised it was shared with me on Google Drive. She comes on around 2hrs50min https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0I3IHaljoWIV3p6RnhxTTg2eWM/view?usp=sharing&resourcekey=0-r0s31dKK-uwTs8728Tq7ZQ

Yep, I have the full VMA's 87 show. It is 4 hrs long (with the preshow) and took ages to download, so I am not too keen to upload it just yet, but I found just M's performance. Although you don't see it here, it literally begins with a freeze frame, haha. So I don't think they were even trying to fool anyone that it was live.

It was not live and was edited and it does include shots from Japan. They had a ton of performers that night performing "live via satellite" from their respective concerts. M wasn't the only one. The actual MTV awards from 1987 is out there so you can see for yourself if you track it down. In terms of the music video, interestingly it never seemed to be added to MTV's rotation list in 1987. I get the feeling it was only used internationally and not in the US. Billboard listed video lists from all the different music video shows and it never appeared on any list. Maybe it was played on MTV, but more so in a recurrent manner not like a video would normally play.

WB wasn't about to release a single for a project they were not involved in and could make little money from. They were annoyed that Vision Quest and DSS was stealing thunder from the LAV release and its singles. They refused any kind of release until radio programmers recorded the audio for ITG from the music video and began playing it. So they relented to the demand, somewhat. WB was clear - they never cared about single sales only album sales - they said this blatantly back in the day. Singles were there to promo an Album and nothing else. The bigger mistake was not putting ITG on LAV like they did in Europe. Though they barely needed help with sales of that LP in the US. Still the album could have sold an additional million or more if they had done that. Releasing Angel and ITG at the same time was exactly what they didn't want to do. ITG would have been the bigger seller, meaning less people would be buying the LAV album and its singles. WB and other labels were convinced single sales were eating into album sales. They (WB and other labels) even did an independant study that Billboard got a hold of (well part of it) which actually proved them wrong. But bullheaded, they continued to try to push Billboard to change their rules about physical singles and relied more on airplay until Billboard gave in.

WAIT WHY??? I always thought it odd they didn't capatilise on DWP by releasing Jump and tying it in. Makes absolutely no sense. Devil was a massive hit that summer

I don't think it was a mistake. I think there was a lot going on in her personal life and a massive culture/pop culture shift around 2009 that made that deal more of a nightmare than it would have been. She was also battling that douche Perez Hilton who really started the whole Vadge Grandma narrative that others took on and then LG and her Little ones intensified it. Radio in the US hated her, the media were sometimes on her side but mostly against her. She had a team that was behind the times and a relatively young family she was now parenting mostly solo. Plus she had so many outside projects that seemed to take her attention. I did say in the unpopular opinion threads that she had lost interest in making music after American Life and I stand by that. I don't think her passion was anywhere near as strong after that failure. All the turmoil and hate probably only made it harder for her to focus on her career, and it did feel like she was mostly just trying to get through the ten years rather than revelling in it.

I have always thought they could open the concert archive as a VOD style thing. Not sure if that is possible in terms of royalties for other creatives besides M though, who else needs to sign off or get paid for the live shows? I was thinking relatively cheap streaming or discs made on demand like the Warner Archive does with their film library. Thus the quality only needs to be a decent master source upscaled or just a decent digital version. That way there is no major overhead that can result in lost revenue. Assuming they have digitised her concert archive (which I doubt)

Honestly, if we could get a US show with quality like Dan K gave us with the Los Angeles snippets, I would be pretty happy. I really didn't think the archived versions would ever look better than the East Rutherford show, but it shows with the master source and upscaling we could have something pretty awesome.

Here is the screencap

Yeah it was a video and it was a split second that was easy to miss, but also clear as day. I do believe this was before her Q&A sesh when she stated she couldn't find the BAT Paris footage though. Yes it seems no one really knows. I only believe Toby as he has such a clear memory of how the filming went. How he adjusted the lights to compensate for the filming and how M was worried the audience wouldn't be able to see the show (as Toby had put gels on the lights and darkened everything so the lighting would show up better, in the Paris B Roll you can see how much darker everything is and how much more intense the lighting is) He also clearly remembers it was a crane hitting her audio feed that caused the sound issues on the last night. Not saying he is definitely correct about filming everything though he has a much better memory of these things than anyone else. I also shared a screen cap from some B-Roll of Where's the Party and you see a crane following her briefly. So if they didn't film everything, it seems they might have more than we have seen.

Difference is Toby Phillips who produced the concert sequences of ToD states they did film it in full. He says they did all three nights in full. So it isn't as clean cut as the RIT filming that seems to have strong evidence to support they only did a partial filming. At the very least they should give us the full unedited performances of the songs featured in both documentaries.