Debord

I don't think folk are going to be confused by a Madonna biopic called Who's That Girl cos of a film from the 80s no-one would remember if not for its soundtrack.

I think the writing on this is great - most of the songs could clearly stand alone as acoustic songs and e.g. Crazy or Come Alive are laden with hooks. It's just not what a lot of folk want from Madonna, cos they see her as a pop star when I think that old description of her as a "rock star who makes pop" or Mary Gabriel's "a performance artist whose medium is pop" are more accurate.

The entire point of intersectionality is that things interact with regards to privilege. A homeless white woman is clearly not more privileged than Beyonce. Anyway, only a Madonna forum could turn her doing something cute for her queer fans into...this!

Whatever happened between them only they will know, and that's how it should be. They're clearly cool with each other now, which is great. Do we know if Sean attended the Celebration tour?

Christ, we're in a Madonna forum, can we stick a pin in the folk obsessively posting Taylor Swift gifs everywhere please?

And even if she was/is straight, she's a massive queer icon and white straight folk are judges on e.g. Drag Race all the time.

Low-quality clips are leaking all over the place, and an album tracklisting has leaked, and Madonna is nowhere to be found.

Definitely one of my faves.

It's rare these days go get a straight biopic which just chronologically goes through someone's life. You tend to get something that focuses on a particular period, often with flashbacks to cover instrumental things like. So the Queen one has Live Aid as the framing and flashes back to their peak decade. The Elton one is him going into rehab and focuses on the 70s. The Judy Garland one focuses on the last few years of her life. Madonna has worked with talented writers on this script, I'm sure it will have a hook.

I've seen Katy a couple of times and had great fun. This is obviously a lie but I'd love her and M on a song together - I think their voices would work really well together for a start.

Abba lend themselves to it cos they were never known for changing their look or even their sound, and by and large their performances were them just standing there singing with very basic dancing from the women. Madonna's shows are known for being a spectacle, she always reinvents the old songs and her looks and sound have varied enormously over the years. So it would be a lot more jarring I think.

The Honey Dijon thing came from a press release for her own album, which explicitly stated she was 'working in the studio with Madonna on new material'. It was just a couple of months after Finally Enough Love came out so they could have potentially just been being creative with HD working on remixes.

I remember quite a few reviews of the album at the time picking up on Human Nature clearly being influenced by Dr Dre. It was the centrepoint of the album and absolutely everything that makes Madonna Madonna, rather than just another pop diva.

I think Hard Candy was the first time she did the now-common thing of quickly moving on from the album to focus on the tour, where the real money is now made. With Confessions, the tour started 6 months after the album whereas here it was only 4 months. Then for MDNA the album basically only existed to promote the tour, which came 2 months later.

I know GJWHF isn't just 80s, that's why I mentioned all the films etc. It's more iconic than anything Culture Club have done. In terms of other 80s hits, Every Breath You Take by The Police has 1.9bn, Take On Me by A-Ha has 1.8bn, Africa by Toto has 1.7bn, Sweet Dreams by The Eurythmics has 1.7bn...none of these artists have monthly listeners comparable to Madonna, they just have big songs on loads of playlists. If I just type '1980s' into Spotify and have a quick look I'm seeing: All-Out 80s - has Like A Prayer, Into The Groove, Borderline, Holiday, Papa Don't Preach 80s Hits - has Like A Virgin and Like A Prayer 80s Dance Hits - Into The Groove and Holiday 80s Workout - Holiday, Express Yourself and Like A Virgin. In terms of the 90s: All-Out 90s - Vogue, Deeper and Deeper, Ray of Light, Frozen, The Power of Good-bye 90s Pop - Take A Bow, Ray of Light, Vogue, Deeper and Deeper, Hanky Panky 90s Work-Out - Vogue I really don't think there's some 'lack of push' and is what I'm saying - folk don't even think 'I'll listen to Cyndi Lauper', they just put on that one song they know, whereas with Madonna folk are listening to a heap of different songs.