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Keep It Together or bust this month. Make it happen mom. I need that single edit in my playlist.

I actually think the mumble Illuminati, Future and on some parts of Crave voice is another incarnation of her range. I personally love that version too and think it's another colour in her palette.

What's a Furry Bear precious?

While Like A Prayer& Erotica are my faves Bedtime is my most played Madonna album. It's a whole mood. It's my go to listen that I can put on anytime more than any of her others I was obsessed with the music leading up and including the peak of Neo Soul era in the 90's and I'm a big Meshell Ndegeocello fan too so I was thrilled to have her on the record and didn't know she was a Madonna signing (Peace Beyond Passion, Bitter and Plantation Lullabies are flawless records go check). Those records you can just put on with friends round, to chill, when you getting it, when you ain't getting it etc. Felt like Bedtime Stories really lent into that vibe. Those lounge albums were so big in the mid 90's. Secret is that quiet storm low key track that feels so right. Love the music of Survival but don't like the lyrics. I feel like her cadence was off a bit on this record and that comes through on a few of the songs leaving them a bit clunky or over simplistic. Inside of Me and Love Tried To Welcome Me are my favourites. I think both would have worked as singles. Not crazy about the Babyface songs these days but loved them at the time. They're the most of their time I suppose. Sanctuary and Bedtime Story (which lets be honest derailed the comeback campaign after Take A Bow) were those beautiful signposts to the next musical direction of Ray Of Light in many ways. Great tracks and while I'm used to the Bjorkisms now it did feel a bit "Tonight Matthew i'm gonna be Bjork" Start In Your Eyes vibz at the time. Don't Stop is perfectly serviceable cute bopp but it's a really obvious placing of "if things don't go to plan we need some basic bops to push out" The way the album invites you in with the almost mimicking soft whispery high voice (remember me in the squeaky early Madonna you fell in love with) and just when the listener is in the palm of her hand again, she crushes them with Human Nature. (the last real old Madonna TM song before she finally cocooned for four years only to rebirth herself in Ray Of Light) Absolutely No Regrets will be on her gravestone mark my words. Rounding out the album with Take A Bow. The end of old Madonna. I think it's a very deceivingly poetic album in that sense. The overall production is so warm and encompassing. Like a cocoon compared to the stark icy sounds of a bunch of Sheps productions on Erotica. Where Life Begins, Erotica and Waiting being the batons passed to Bedtime Stories. Much of the 90's to 03 employed this tactic from Justify My Love to American Life album. Clean hard reset for Confessions. as for the era. Let Down Your Guard, Your Honesty, Freedom and Love Wont Wait are pretty basic tbh I'm glad they were left on the shelf. but yeah I really love this era and album I find it constantly fascinating what was going on behind the scenes and in her head. It feels very mysterious to me.

and Turn Up The Radio is a ghastly 5:13. If ever a single song in her discography needed a quick punk 3:30 edit and video it was that one. She's so wooden and forced and it just didn't come off as wild and fun as she wanted. Directors fault no doubt. It needed fast edits and energy and high camp. It looks like a rehearsal for camera angles.

Some great ideas but they weren't very well realised. GMAYL is her best and most ambitious video since the 90's. Hung Up (was pretty basic but well executed). Bitch I'm Madonna is a vibrant hoot but the features were shoehorned for dear life which really let it down. Notable moments. Forgive Me - Girl Gone WIld Closing moments of Batuka Concept of Dark Ballet Toe Lick - Medellin Cute: Crave , Ghosttown, God Control Too try hard: Medellin / Living For Love Dud: Turn Up The Radio It's been a mixed bag like most decades but I think the concepts for the last 15 years have mostly been too simple or too convoluted, not a lot of fun and miss the iconic nature of her Warner years. . Other artists have annihilated her in terms of video for a long time and that didn't need to be the case at all.

My entire response stream was based on this comment that you cannot in any way proportionally quantify just from internet troll comments. Why the hell would I go to lengths to make excuses for anyone anti black let alone Madonna fans. Really? Don’t do that. I’m am also not responsible for any actions or reactions of other forum members. I speak alone. If you want talk more we can continue privately. I don’t get into internet spats. peace x

I ache when I give a lot of head too henny.

Hey. I hear some of your points but I also think you veer into making some points that don't add up 100% The Starrah thing yes I do remember that actually now you mention it. The Timbo Pharrell thing was largley because that moment musically had passed and was on the backfoot. Everybody loved Loose , Love Angel Music Baby & Future / Love/ Sex / Sounds no? and werent fans clammoring for Beat Goes On with Kanye to be a single big time as well as Timbalands classic sound of Devil Wouldn't Recognise you? Wasn't It Spanish Lesson, Incredible and Voices that were getting all the hate? Bedtime Stories is widely recognised as a fan favourite album that performed badly at the time because she was in a career lull. Many fans refer to the weakest track being the poppiest one. "Don't Stop". The same with Erotica. Waiting is an album highlight and although it's just an aside / bonus / remix etc "Did You Do It" is essentially giving the misogynistic male perspective which beautifully give another depth to her message. I also think Nikki Minaj got a lot of flack because she's hella problematic and featured on not one but three of Madonnas songs across two successive projects. Who else has had that? It was a case of ugh not again etc. GMAYL was not loved but Bitch was divisive more because of the Diplo / Sophie production, Nikki is fire on it IMO. Nas / Chance were also fire on the album as were Swae and Quavo on X. and for the record I think the Britney & Justin collabs are some of the worst of her career and I've never heard much to the contrary tbh, and the DUA remix was bloody slated by most including the Dua fans who thought it was an abomination and the Blessed Madonna got hate mail. Let's not rewrite that one. "There is a major difference between unapologetically black music (rap, hiphop, trap, r&b) and black music that is easily accessible by white people and often has its black history erased (motown, house, disco, poppy r&b) which happen to be the projects that anti-black Madonna fans tolerate the best." I mean...I don't wholly disagree tbh but we are coming from a pop / rock / dance background. Isn't "unapologetically black" problematic to the black community itself? What's black enough? Disco is queer / black / latinx protest music as much as hip-hop...just as hip-hop will often veer into party, drink, dance, get wild music. As is Jazz and Rock N Roll. I'm not blind to what you are saying and maybe Madonnas wanted these type of collaborations her whole career but Warner were just not into it. and yes anti-black Madonna fans do exist of course they do, I don't think anyone is denying that and it's correct to be mindful / aware of it. I just think there's more damage and ill feeling created on all sides when we specifically broad brushstroke over musical tastes with racism. Specifically when it's a fan base bought up on pop music by an artist we all know and love to be highly influenced by other cultures. Just some thoughts x

SOD (bitch I’m douched remix) incoming … or outgoing … I’m not sure

You can’t really get any bigger than Dua Lipa right now and that didn’t pan out brilliantly tbh. Levitating was the biggest song in the states last year but da baby is more to do with that tbh.

Hmmm I disagree that most fans only want Madonna to work with white people. Nile Rogers, Stephen Bray, Pharell, Timbaland, Dallas Austin, Babyface, Starrah, Kanye, Missy, Lenny Kravitz are all people of colour who have produced lots of work for her over the decades. I've never really heard anyone calling out her work with these musicians before. I think the issue a certain portion of the fanbase has is Madonnas style has repeatedly emulated a very specific, dated and repetitive style of music that is based around loops, autotune, mumbling and features where M sounds like she's a guest on her own record. One of the most basic and boring incarnations of Hop-Hop ever in terms of sounds, emotion, clarity. It feels more like dress up than any of her former images which she's moved on pretty quickly from. There are so many other forms of alt rnb that I would die to see Madonna veer into. It's specifically modern hip-hop that just doesn't fit her very well as a woman in her 60's tbh. Plenty of RNB Hip Hop vibes throughout her work from 1990-1994 and that's some of Madonnas most beloved work. She just seems more infatuated with it in the last decade than she really ever has before. It's borders on culture vulture despite her worldly views. I think it's too easy to just broad stroke it as colour based racism even if when the language used by certain fans veers into racist tropes. Does that makes sense? It's more about Madonna not the artists she's working with which sometimes feel cynical and opportunistic which in itself is problematic.

It's new that's all. If you count the sales to streaming equivalent of all her singles prior to 2010 she'd be off the charts.

The remix he made was NOT something that I would particularly play for myself, it was an "Old Maiden" type of remix, and he said that that remix was meant to be made by a talented remixer so if that's the case he should have left those stems on the rack because he was UN-qualified to remix that track.

WE WILL NOT!

Hard Candy feels like the most cynically commercial album of her career. You can hear the a&r wheels creaking with every beat.

I mean. It’s a remix and it goes off. What’s not to love teebs

Not on the Sabbath. Lord a mercy. The Pet Shop Boys are out of this world incredible. The smarts of their lyrics, their humour and skills of observation. The irony in their work. Their incredible work for other artists. Their love of dance music. Thier way around a melody. The references, cadence and efficiency in astute lyrics. One word, a pause, an infection can set a mood or a feeling. The camp, the nostalgia, the wistfulness, the reads, the mindfulness, the wry politics of life, the working class, the media, the rich and the aristocracy. They are second to none in that sense. The narrators of the story of life. I don't trust anyone who doesn't love the Pet Shop Boys. It's a literal hate crime that we got Hard Candy ( for me her absolute worst placid autopilot record) instead of something with these two. I think it would have topped Confessions coming off the back of it. It's one of the worst things that never happened to her career. Get ha @New_Boyand let me know when the body is buried sis.

Ugh I know . Would have been incredible

Who’s That Girl is literally the demo for Domino Dancing. Madonna had her eye keen on PSB in 86 - 90 and they on her. Go listen. Rescue Me is Madonna doing Pet Shop Boys and returning the favour.

Disco is so varied. Most of Confessions was actually dance music , pop music and french house music tbh with maybe 1/3rd of the songs influenced by Disco but the gays see a mirrorball and were off. Just Like most of Music wasn't country. The optics for the singles don't stretch right across the work. 1.Sorry American Disco 2.3.4. Hung Up / Future Lovers / Forbidden Love / How High were Euro disco. Get Together is pure house no disco there. Let It Will Be - Dance track I Love New York - Dance track Jump - Pop dance with slight post disco energy Push - Not disco Like It Or Not - Not Disco Isaac - Not Disco I'd probably like her to visit a sound or era a bit more authentically for a bit TBH rather than always having a new twist. Philly soul, Funk, Band / Orchestra / Choir / Backing singer Disco. I'd love her to work with Mark Ronson cause I think he could really bring something out of her like some of her better collaborators. More post disco UK 80's synth pop, Dev Hynes, James Murphy LCD Sound system. James Ford as always. Even veering into some of the 80's sounds and genres she didn't venture into in the period itself. Id be cool with her twist on those genres. Power pop, 80's glossy shimmer soul, ska, Sophistipop, acid house. That decade was probably the most diverse in terms of sound than any other. I think based in this amazing decade of sounds but way from the stuff she did herself released around the biopic would be a low key genius move and it would also be an absolute scream to get Max Martin finally involved with an album of these sounds. I think his take on the decade before he really started producing would be a great challenge for hi, I'd like to see Madonna through his lens.

I question a lot of what she says i interviews though. I think it's either because she doesn't want to go down that deep a habit hole with the interviewer cause she finds it will take away from subjects she wants to angle in on during the brief press junkets or she likes the audience to have the perspective of her solely focusing on the now and the immediate. She's likely tired of questions about Orbit and Price and the creative process of yesteryear. Though I could see her spending time now there is a purposeful looking back. Artists save stuff for auto blogs and re-releases etc. We know she keeps detailed journals and no doubt stuff is all recorded daily throughout the years.

God I’d love that. Behind the music style doc and interview. Not the fluff we usually get. Nile sat with the stems at a desk showing us stuff and recalling memories. A dream.

Fair play to him. Madonna’s debut was hailed at aerobics music and she was written off. Look what she became. Keep going Rocco. I love that her kids are all showing talents in different fields. Lola’s modelling is a bit vapid but she’s a talented actress no? I’d like to see her take that route but it’s her life. I’m most excited to see what Mercy and David do. I don’t know why I have such an affection for Mercy but my heart melts when I see her on camera. She’s seems like she has such a beautiful soul. David is obviously the air to the pop throne though. It really feels like he’s the one who’s gonna go down the pop star route. The twins are too young to say but they’re not shy for sure x What an amazing brood she has. Hopefully all future icons in their field and all sharing the the same mother. Amazing. You just know she’s gonna be prouder of all their achievements than any of her own.