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On 2/14/2022 at 1:34 PM, Drownedboy said:
She would not have the carreer she has had, without him. The thing is he has always give her strong and catchy melodies where she could add amazing lyrics and sing with emotion so they created masterpieces. One of the problems of Rebel Heart, Madame x and even Confessions or Hard Candy is the lack of intense melodies where she can express her humanity, so she sometimes sings like a robot with uptempo music that does not sound emotional and do not reach audience´s heart, as it happened with Frozen, LAP, La isla bonita, Live to tell and many others.
Patrick Leonard is great, no doubt, but she was already something before and would have been the same with any other collaborator. Even LAP album surely would have selled better with more strong and commercial melodies. The less strong and catchy melodies of her career are some of Leonard's. And anyone who can't hear intense melodies in RH, MX or HC knows nothing about intense melodies or needs to check out its ears. Really.
The problems of recent records are basically two: the lack of airplay in a music world tha has become the reign of teen products, and the ignorance of fans that blame the best artists for that, instead of knowing the true reasons why they don't do as well in the charts as Biebers or Taylors.
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I think it's clear some have taken Intervention as the Rocco song since she dedicated it to him, as Little Star is Lola's song. But it was just because the words were convenient to express the situation beetween mother and son in the moment.
Rocco was 2 years old when Intervention was made. You don't tell a 2 years old baby about changing a life that has just started, telling "my baby will never be the same" 'cause he's not happy and "it's time to wake up from this dream" and forget the past (love will take us away from here).
Absolutely it goes to a lover. Why should Rocco make her cry by then? Didn't he start to eat alone yet? Did he break all his toys?
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Considering that with the actual discrimination for older artists the Celebration Tour is the best promotion and spotlight she can have, it's by far the best time to release a new album.
It could be all new, or maybe a combination of old and new similar to Michael Jackson's HIStory.
She could do 4 or 5 new tracks and it would be still a greatest hits tour. That's what most artists do and they call it a tour for the new album!!!
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Just saying You Can Dance is the reminder of what a 80's disco DJ session was. So much more creative, arty and playfull. A real work with all the hits of the moment, remixed and served with the author touch. Not just simple "chunda chunda".
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She dedicated it to Rocco when they were in a hard time, that doesn't mean it's written for him. It's just a love song with an empowering message.
This reminds me of when some say Inside Of Me is dedicated to her mother. Maybe it started thinking about the loss of her, but oh my, who dedicates to a mother a song so sexy and orgasmic?
- deathproof and EgoRod
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She doesn't need Patrick Leonard for great melodies , she always had it, before and after, and the less catchy melodies are some of Leonard's (LAP album)
And Stuart Price seems like the guy the legends use to make some simplier music for a commercial appeal. With a Confessions it's enough, as it's enough of him for Pet Shop Boys.
But everything is pointing to an accesible funny dance music, anyway.
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Like a prayer is another album for every fan to enjoy and love, but it was an incredible success and it has the status we all know today because it had more airplay and propaganda than never ever. In fact, it was that way even before the music was released. It was gonna be a big thing anyway, that was the feeling even without any music yet.. With some scandals and impact videos , the mediatic noise just grew up and helped, and if people hear the song all the time in the media, it's obvious they're gonna know it, keep it in their minds, make a big deal of it, and they will even think it's the cathiest thing ever. But Like a prayer and other songs here are very far from being that. I think it's something anyone can see, as long as they know what a catchy melody is.
If Like a prayer is your favourite Madonna album, that brings you great memories, your dearest and special one, OK, boys and girls. But if you say it's the catchiest thing ever... sorry, it's not.
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On 3/14/2023 at 9:02 PM, tscott said:
Sorry, I am not sure what you are talking about? Both Like A Prayer and Express Yourself were both commercial successes. Despite the controversy behind LAP song, it was very well received. It's one of her biggest selling singles behind Vogue and Like A Virgin. The album was also very commercial and "catchy". Maybe not as pop friendly as True Blue was, but it still was the second biggest selling record in 1989.
Like mentioned, in general record sales were down for everyone in '89. Most artists with big selling albums in prior years (such as Madonna) were selling abnormally high volumes back then because in the mid 80's there was a huge economic boom, especially in the U.S. The music and video business was at its ultimate peak at the time. Very few have sold that many album in such a short amount of time, then those artists did in the mid 80's. By '89, we were seeing a decline in the economy and the music business.
Very commercial and catchy? More than 30 years later I'm still "fighting" with the melodies of some chorus (Like a prayer, Express, Cherish, Oh father) and many parts in Love song. It doesn't happen to me with any other album of hers, I always use to get the melodies without any problem. And I guess it's the same for many people: just see how they sing that songs in karaokes or even official covers like Sia's. No one gets the melodies.
If it was really commercial and catchy would be her best seller, 'cause it was the right time for it.
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19 hours ago, tscott said:
There is no "flop" about it. No other album but Bobby Brown's "Don't Be Cruel" sold more that year (initially). It's just some are comparing astronomical sales from her previous albums to a year where no other artist was selling anymore either. Bobby Brown was the only artist who initially sold more copies than her that specific year. Yet she still outsold him, as "Don't Be Cruel" is only certified at 12 million sales and she's currently at 15 million.
Also, prior to 1989, the mid 80's was abnormally high when it came to record sales. Madonna and many other artists were selling more records than they ever had at that time.
I remark I was talking about a flop, speaking of musical appeal.
Of course 12 millions in 89 was great, but the point is she could' ve sold a lot more if the album had been commercial and catchy like the previous ones, 'cause it's the best mediatic moment she ever had.
I think it's evident it was not an album that could attrack general public like Into the groove or Holiday. The first to know it were the Warner people, who were really worried and scared when they heard Like a prayer and Express yourself, they didn't want that, they knew it was a commercial suicide, but she did what she wanted anyway. Tough I was a little kid I remember the fans reaction in the first days, and the dissapointment was all around.
Anyway, good for her for doing what she felt, and good for the ones who care for music and not sales.
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It's not hard to understand if you see the facts: LAP had undoubtely the best mediatic treatment in her career, massive airplay, the first return after a silence period, already a legend but still new, scandalous impact videos that only helped to sell, it had everything to sell more than ever...
but it's a less commercial music with difficult, not catchy melodies, and even a very weak sound technically. Hard to listen for many.
If it had Like a virgin and True blue commerciality, with that media support and all that things it would have sold like that or more, easily, so it's her biggest flop, speaking of musical appeal, strange as it may seem for some. The biggest succes is to sell so much with such bad mediatic conditions she has lately. That is the real big thing.
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Well, I guess the name Christine and the QUEENS was too irresistible for the Queen of pop.
Her collaborations in other people's albums have always been notorious in a way you almost feel sorry for the other artist, so with three songs of over six minutes it's likely to be the same.
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I love them all equally, so I'm just gonna put my most played song, that tends to be the funnier or the ones I feel related to:
The first album - Burning up
Like a virgin - Dress you up
True blue . White heat
Like a prayer - Till death do us part
I'm Breathless - Hanky panky
Erotica - Erotica
Bedtime stories - Human nature
Ray of light - Ray of light
Music - Music
American life - American life
Confessions - Sorry
Hard candy - Candy shop
MDNA - Girl gone wild
Rebel heart - S E X (demo and album track)
Madame X . God control
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Vince Aletti seems to be a very good critic and interviwer.
Please, let's share more articles of him (or others like that).
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American Life is another very good Madonna album. Those who can't see it are very bad fans. Either Madonna fans and music fans.
No need to say more.
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Bridges are meant to appear twice. Song's structure is perfect the way it is.
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11 minutes ago, Would You Like To Try said:
For me the vocals sound old,the remix edit makes the vocals sound new
Well, sounding old shouldn't be a problem in a retro styled song...
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Hard Candy is more "Madonna sound" than Confessions that is the one she was far from herself and serving the audience. I call it Madonna Minogue, and really, even Let it will be instrumental seems a copy of Fever.
HC is not dated Timbaland sound, it's the exerzise of taking that style, completely trendy at the time, and give a pop masterclass, being so much more creative and with so much more quality than all that other younger things. Why don't people call it like it is and just say they don't like that sound, that's maybe too black and agressive for their poppy taste?
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On 2/21/2023 at 11:02 PM, Would You Like To Try said:
What is yours?Mine is the album version but i prefer the color mix as the vocal mix,it has neater vocals,not like the album which has a old type of vocal effect,kinda eerie
Kinda eerie??????????
I don't get what's your problem with the album vocals. I'd say it's the Color Mix that has too low vocals.
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That is one of the main reasons for Madame X having a little more consideration: people not knowing what is a single or not, so they focus on the album as a whole, not throwing hate on a few singles for not being on the radio and things like that...
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The objective answer to the question is Vogue belongs to I'm Breathless, being so close to Immaculate's release it feels like a single for both.
Vogue is just a b side for the last LAP single that was added to IB to have a commercial single in a less commercial album.
Personnaly I don't have any problem with Q Sound, but I think it's a fact that drums in Immaculate's Vogue are very damaged. And drums are an essential thing in Vogue.
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19 hours ago, DickTracy said:
Rebel Heart album version is so silly sounding, I almost wish I never heard the Avicii version so I would like it more. Idk to me the final beat is hokey/corny for an album title track.
The released Rebel Heart is so much majestic and classy. The slower melody makes it so much powerful and emotional, such a hymn.
The poppy version is only better for poppy people. (It's great too, of course, but the album needed the serious one)
- Openyourheart and poodle
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Will Madonna Ever Have A Hit Single Again?
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Ghosttown was the song of the year for Rolling Stone's readers, with just a little airplay in Italy it was big there, the same for Miles Away in Japan and GGW and others in South America. Albums sales are more than notorious and amazing, considering the lack of support for the league that Madonna is in....
Come on, let's stop underrating the best music just because teenagers are streaming all that trash and alienated against older artists.
The hit is not being the teens and sheeps trend for some years. The HIT is being a music legend forever, and above it all, making that quality music that any good listener can enjoy.