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She looks refreshed, as in this Celebration Tour did her mind and body good vs the Madame X tour.

Why is there no option for "gay" without a load of other groups attached? She is a gay icon, and absolutely not a lesbian icon.

I said it was controversial!
They explored similar themes but the facts/dates remain that Madonna did pretty much each step first, often months-years before Janet. Before the covertly sexual songs on Control, there was Madonna moaning on Like a Virgin. Before the open and direct "DJ make me wet" there was "You put this in me, so now what?". Even the Janet album was relatively tame, matching the tone of Justify My Love, but after Erotica/SEX had made it's cultural impact and took its beatings, Janet progressed to even more explicit and "vulgar" themes.
The Velvet Rope was compared to Erotica/Madonna by critics at the time. Knowing both albums I agree they aren't sonically alike, but the "pop girl reinvents herself with unexpected darker introspective album" is a path paved by Madonna years prior.
It's not that Janet was consciously taking notes from Madonna, it's moreso that Janet was working with whatever was acceptable for the female-pop climate, which itself evolved based on what Madonna did.

In terms of imagery and music itself, it's Gaga without a doubt. Followed by Kylie Minogue, Spice Girls/Geri, Xtina, Katy Perry in no particular order.
But Beyonce, Rihanna, Taylor Swift have all quite successfully replicated aspects of the cultural blueprint Madonna created. 
Controversially, I think Janet Jackson was heavily influenced by Madonna, and vice versa. The janet. and Velvet Rope albums certainly wouldn't exist without Justify My Love and Erotica. But Erotica wouldn't exist without Janet's exploration of new jack swing in Rhythm Nation and Control. But Control and Rhythm Nation wouldn't exist without Madonna setting the stage for female pop giants in 84-85.

Before Madonna the blueprint for women in pop was Tina Turner, Donna Summer, Diana Ross, Cher, Olivia Newton John... none of whom created anything remotely comparable to Justify My Love, Erotica and the Sex book, or even really Like a Virgin. Madonna didn't invent sexual liberation but she sure as hell revolutionised it and popularised it... and then Janet just coincidentally had the same idea as Madonna, a matter of months-years later, just as Madonna's sexual liberation art started changing pop culture? Come on guys!!!

In terms of imagery and music itself, it's Gaga without a doubt. Followed by Kylie Minogue, Spice Girls/Geri, Xtina, Katy Perry in no particular order.
But Beyonce, Rihanna, Taylor Swift have all quite successfully replicated aspects of the cultural blueprint Madonna created. 
Controversially, I think Janet Jackson was heavily influenced by Madonna, and vice versa. The janet. and Velvet Rope albums certainly wouldn't exist without Justify My Love and Erotica. But Erotica wouldn't exist without Janet's exploration of new jack swing in Rhythm Nation and Control. But Control and Rhythm Nation wouldn't exist without Madonna setting the stage for female pop giants in 84-85.

MY GOD I OPENED THE THREAD IN PUBLIC AND THE FURRY MADONNUSSY WAS THE FIRST THING TO POP UP FUCK YOU ALL FR

Before Madonna the blueprint for women in pop was Tina Turner, Donna Summer, Diana Ross, Cher, Olivia Newton John... none of whom created anything remotely comparable to Justify My Love, Erotica and the Sex book, or even really Like a Virgin. Madonna didn't invent sexual liberation but she sure as hell revolutionised it and popularised it... and then Janet just coincidentally had the same idea as Madonna, a matter of months-years later, just as Madonna's sexual liberation art started changing pop culture? Come on guys!!!

I can get on board with that. Madonna definitely continued the sexual revolution.  She wasn't afraid to explore what many were experiencing, but at the time pretending it wasn't happening. She did open the doors.  I still don't believe Janet was following Madonna's lead, but yes Madonna probably  made it more acceptable for what Janet was expressing sexually.

Yes, I forgot about Love Will Never Do Without You video. That was directed by Meisel, so there's still a loose Madonna connection. I don't think she ever specifically thought "I'm going to copy Madonna," I just see a subtle influence there. 

She did songs about a man’s cock feeling good on her lips, a man making her pussy wet and fucking her man with people watching 7 months after Erotica came out. She even did a video with sex scenes in 1994. Nothing sexual whatsoever before any of that.

Love Janet but I don’t think we would have gotten her 1993 sexual revolution phase had Madonna 1990-92 not happened. 

Go watch Gwen's "Wind It Up" video and check out what the others did after that. I know the kids just think she's Blake Shelton's gf now. But Ms. Thing was THAT GIRL from No Doubt to those solo albums. Music and fashion. The closest she came to an M moment sonically is "Serious" on LAMB.
And can we be honest? LG's run as Ladonna was so much fun. I'd take it over everything she's done post Artpop. 
All of the girls are extremely lucky Bjork sings in Morse code and doesn't do straight up dance pop. It would be over.
 

Madonna is the mold they all came from. Every single one of them. It's hard to look at pop culture and not see the influence of La Ciccone in every facet. She might not have invented certain things, but she made it accessible, and what's more, she made it possible. But the difference with Madonna doing it is that she did it for a cause. There was always a reason or an issue she was highlighting, or an idea she was rebelling against. What's the point of doing anything after Madonna did it anyway 🙂 

In terms of imagery and music itself, it's Gaga without a doubt. Followed by Kylie Minogue, Spice Girls/Geri, Xtina, Katy Perry in no particular order.
But Beyonce, Rihanna, Taylor Swift have all quite successfully replicated aspects of the cultural blueprint Madonna created. 
Controversially, I think Janet Jackson was heavily influenced by Madonna, and vice versa. The janet. and Velvet Rope albums certainly wouldn't exist without Justify My Love and Erotica. But Erotica wouldn't exist without Janet's exploration of new jack swing in Rhythm Nation and Control. But Control and Rhythm Nation wouldn't exist without Madonna setting the stage for female pop giants in 84-85.

I said it was controversial!
They explored similar themes but the facts/dates remain that Madonna did pretty much each step first, often months-years before Janet. Before the covertly sexual songs on Control, there was Madonna moaning on Like a Virgin. Before the open and direct "DJ make me wet" there was "You put this in me, so now what?". Even the Janet album was relatively tame, matching the tone of Justify My Love, but after Erotica/SEX had made it's cultural impact and took its beatings, Janet progressed to even more explicit and "vulgar" themes.
The Velvet Rope was compared to Erotica/Madonna by critics at the time. Knowing both albums I agree they aren't sonically alike, but the "pop girl reinvents herself with unexpected darker introspective album" is a path paved by Madonna years prior.
It's not that Janet was consciously taking notes from Madonna, it's moreso that Janet was working with whatever was acceptable for the female-pop climate, which itself evolved based on what Madonna did.

Gaga is probably the only one that outright copied Madonna. Kylie, Britney and Christina all to a degree too, but they all came from more manufactured pop beginnings and I think Madonna was the only real blueprint they had to follow. Janet was definitely heavily influenced by Madonna all through the 90's but I wouldn't say she copied her as she brought her own style to expressing her sexuality. Madonna just gave her the confidence to go there. But Michael’s influence is much more apparent in her performance style.
All the others were more just following in Madonna’s footsteps.

 

Everyone was influenced by Madonna. 

In terms of imagery and music itself, it's Gaga without a doubt. Followed by Kylie Minogue, Spice Girls/Geri, Xtina, Katy Perry in no particular order.
But Beyonce, Rihanna, Taylor Swift have all quite successfully replicated aspects of the cultural blueprint Madonna created. 
Controversially, I think Janet Jackson was heavily influenced by Madonna, and vice versa. The janet. and Velvet Rope albums certainly wouldn't exist without Justify My Love and Erotica. But Erotica wouldn't exist without Janet's exploration of new jack swing in Rhythm Nation and Control. But Control and Rhythm Nation wouldn't exist without Madonna setting the stage for female pop giants in 84-85.

In terms of imagery and music itself, it's Gaga without a doubt. Followed by Kylie Minogue, Spice Girls/Geri, Xtina, Katy Perry in no particular order.
But Beyonce, Rihanna, Taylor Swift have all quite successfully replicated aspects of the cultural blueprint Madonna created. 
Controversially, I think Janet Jackson was heavily influenced by Madonna, and vice versa. The janet. and Velvet Rope albums certainly wouldn't exist without Justify My Love and Erotica. But Erotica wouldn't exist without Janet's exploration of new jack swing in Rhythm Nation and Control. But Control and Rhythm Nation wouldn't exist without Madonna setting the stage for female pop giants in 84-85.

As a Gaga fan - Lady Gaga is the most Madonna-coded major pop star, partly from genuine admiration, partly from fanatical obsession...  But I do think that she has developed into something different and I don't really see many similarities anymore.
Gwen Stefani looks similar and finds inspiration in the same Hollywood era as Madonna, but in my opinion the credit goes to Jean Harlow, Marilyn etc who inspired both Madonna and Gwen.
 

Madonna - Vogue - 01 - (7'' Version)
Madonna - Vogue - 02 - (12'' Version)
Madonna - Vogue - 03 - (Bette Davis Dub)
Madonna - Vogue - 04 - (Strike-A-Pose Dub)
Madonna - Vogue - 05 - (Album Version)
Madonna - Vogue - 06 - (Promo Version)
Madonna - Vogue - 07 - (7'' Instrumental)*
Madonna - Vogue - 08 - (Instrumental)

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