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    FraP got a reaction from nito84bcn in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    Are there HQ photos and video of her with the braids?
    I guess people are gonna hate the braids 
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    FraP got a reaction from BuggedOut in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    But this is cherry-picking. You've chosen her least successful vocal performance on TV EVER. Moreover, it's the technically most challenging song of her entire career, and she has only sung it in its original key twice (here and on Oprah).
    In this performance, it's evident that there were several issues, and she wasn't even in good shape. It can happen once in a career, unless you're a technically extremely skilled singer, in which case your great technical knowledge compensates for the problems of the day.
    Furthermore, it's worth noting that she often gets very nervous when it comes to singing live on TV, as confirmed by some of her collaborators. She was definitely extremely nervous that evening, perhaps because she had laryngitis or something similar.

    Let's talk about the tours.
    Let's talk about her consistency, not just a single unsuccessful performance.
    In the DWT, RIT, and CT, except for a few off nights, her vocal level was good. Throughout the Music Promo Tour and the American Life Promo Tour (possibly the best vocals of her entire career).
    he was never an excellent singer, but she was never a slouch either. She has demonstrated throughout her career that she can sing, even if she doesn't excel. After CT, her voice changed. Her tone has changed significantly; she has lost consistency. I believe her poor vocal technique may have also taken a toll on her vocal cords. A tour like the Sticky and Sweet Tour can't help you maintain a healthy voice; there are consequences. After the RHT, the best thing she has done is the tribute to Prince.
    At the WTG and BAT, she was far from perfect, and sometimes she sang worse than others, but overall, she was usually in tune, and the performances were almost always quite successful. She didn't have the heavy breathing and intonation problems that she has now. Don't live in denial.
    I don't know about other fan bases, but it has to be said that these mentioned singers rarely give performances that are so out of tune.
    They hit some wrong notes, but Madonna, when she's not in good shape, surpasses them by far.
     
     
    Lauryn Hill does sound much better than Madonna, even though she may not be in her prime anymore. Enrique Iglesias, for me, is not even an artist.
    And nowadays on social media, when someone sings poorly, they become the target of online ridicule.
    It's not that there's a specific bias against Madonna; it happens to everyone. I think of Fergie's national anthem performance, Lana del Rey's infamous SNL performance, Mariah's NYE 2016 performance.
    Similarly, Madonna is mocked on TikTok for singing CFY nearly tone deaf as well
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    FraP got a reaction from acolyte in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    It happens that I can count myself among those who attended the show. I saw the opening night, and I'll see it again in Lisbon. I was very excited, as I am every time I've seen Madonna up close. I had the feeling that she looked at me three times, and it was a beautiful feeling since I've admired this woman for most of my life.
    But I'm at a stage in life where I've let go of idol worship. I no longer blindly idolize. I understand that love also involves recognizing flaws, seeing what worsens and what improves. One shouldn't be blind, one shouldn't perpetually stay in the infatuation and extreme idealization phase. It's about synthesizing thesis and antithesis; that's the dialectic, and that's the knowledge that underlies true love.
    If I say she was off-key, it doesn't mean I don't love her. If I say the ending left some people a bit confused, it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the concert.
    If many say it's the best since the Confessions era, I don't agree but I respect this opinion, it's just my personal taste. The tour is great and probably better than Madame X and MDNA Tour. But I loved the RHT, and I loved Sticky & Sweet more than this one (although I'm still evaluating it). I'm happy that she's alive and did a show like this. 
    I'm a superfan of Mother And Father, it's one of the songs I listen to most often. I remember all the performances from the Re-Invention Tour, the acoustic one on TV, the one at La Cantine du Faubourg; they were all vocally excellent or even outstanding. This is a different story; you can see she has technical difficulties (as others more knowledgeable than me have explained), and the autotune fails to correct the cracks and the pitch problems well when she holds the long note in "give it UUUUUUUUUUUUUP."
    Did I still enjoy it? Yes. Did I notice that it wasn't comparable to those from the RIT? Yes.
    I'm not nitpicking.
    I'm just saying this show is AMAZING, but her voice is not in a great condition and I did not love the ending.
    I love her, no hate. 
    I don't agree with you. She always sang beautifullly till the Confessions Tour.
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    FraP reacted to Lorx in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    I get where you're coming from, but I'd like to offer some insights. Regarding Madonna, the performance of Sorry you mentioned wasn't lip-synced; it was her actual voice, albeit with some audio processing. If you delve into live recordings from different shows, you'll pick up small imperfections that vary from night to night.
    As for Beyoncé and Gaga, their vocal prowess is undeniable. They resort to backing tracks primarily for numbers with intense dance routines, yet they consistently deliver powerful live vocals on top of those tracks. While her vocal abilities are extraordinary, Lady Gaga sometimes overemphasizes her higher chest notes. This reliance on a less mixed or head voice can affect the interpretative quality of her performances. Nonetheless, her vocal talent is substantial, and these instances do not diminish her impressive range and control. I don't listen to her and I don't like her, but I gotta be honest.
    I'm a huge Depeche Mode fan myself and have seen them live four times, most recently this past summer, with plans to see them again this winter. It's true that Dave Gahan has his off moments (like during A Pain That I'm Used To), which could be attributed to his past struggles with substance abuse and sometimes he's strained with his high chest register (this made his voice deteriorate). However, the majority of his performances are solid, usually outshining Madonna's at least in terms of pitch, breath control and tuning, and he performs without a backing track, relying only on Martin Gore's backing vocals.
    Celine Dion may not be everyone's cup of tea, but from a technical standpoint, she's more skilled than many pop vocalists. Taylor Swift may not be the most virtuosic singer, but she's certainly not tone-deaf at all. In fact, her live performances are consistently strong, and she seems to have improved significantly over the years (from what I've seen in videos, as I don't actively follow her). Britney Spears does rely on playback, but we shouldn't settle for mediocrity as a common comfort.
    My point, as a singer and longtime voice student, is that Madonna's vocal abilities have progressively declined. She did make a bit of a comeback after the Sticky and Sweet Tour, but she has never returned to her prime vocal quality, as heard during the Drowned World Tour or the Reinvention Tour.
    She was never the epitome of vocal perfection, but she was better than this, reaching her peak in the early 2000s. Even in the '80s and early '90s, her vocal performance was superior to what we hear from her today.

    It's wise for her to use backing tracks and Auto-Tune, although autotune is sometimes too subtle to correct her pitch effectively and may inadvertently highlight her vocal imperfections leading to the closest note (which is a wrong note).
    Her current vocal capabilities are below those of 90% of her peers in the pop world. Despite this, I still love her and find her timbre particularly beautiful in the lower notes, where she seems most comfortable now.
    You can certainly hear a stark contrast when comparing renditions of the same songs from the Reinvention Tour to this tour. The difference is quite pronounced.
    However, that said, I still enjoy the show. I'm aware that her singing isn't flawless and I wasn't expecting any better.
    I concur with your preference for Madonna's voice timbre over Celine's, Whitney's, or Mariah's, without any hesitation. While Celine Dion is undoubtedly a skilled vocalist, there are others who excel even more, particularly in different musical genres. Her songs don't resonate with me, and while her timbre is decent, it's not one that I'm particularly fond of.
    Mariah Carey has always possessed excellent vocal technique, but I'm not a fan of her music, and it seems she has lost some of her prowess over the years, possibly due to a lack of ongoing vocal training.
    As for Whitney Houston, she never really 'screamed' in her performances. Instead, she was a master at controlling her chest voice, adept at varying her dynamics from powerful belts to the softest whispers. She skillfully utilized her mixed and head registers as well. High chest notes, naturally, are not meant to be sung softly, as they require a certain level of intensity to be belted out effectively. But that's not screaming. Christina Aguilera is a screamer.
    Whitney's high notes were always well-integrated into the narrative of the song, adhering to the appropriate ascending and descending climaxes.
    Madonna didn't believe enough in her own vocal abilities, ceasing her vocal training prematurely and not solidifying the techniques she had developed up until the early 2000s. She didn't gave enough credit to her voice and her big achievements.
    Yet, her voice is distinctive and with the right technique her potential could be tremendous. She has a unique vocal quality that has its own appeal. Her voice tells a story that aligns with her artistic persona and that storytelling aspect is something I greatly appreciate.
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    FraP got a reaction from acolyte in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    But this is cherry-picking. You've chosen her least successful vocal performance on TV EVER. Moreover, it's the technically most challenging song of her entire career, and she has only sung it in its original key twice (here and on Oprah).
    In this performance, it's evident that there were several issues, and she wasn't even in good shape. It can happen once in a career, unless you're a technically extremely skilled singer, in which case your great technical knowledge compensates for the problems of the day.
    Furthermore, it's worth noting that she often gets very nervous when it comes to singing live on TV, as confirmed by some of her collaborators. She was definitely extremely nervous that evening, perhaps because she had laryngitis or something similar.

    Let's talk about the tours.
    Let's talk about her consistency, not just a single unsuccessful performance.
    In the DWT, RIT, and CT, except for a few off nights, her vocal level was good. Throughout the Music Promo Tour and the American Life Promo Tour (possibly the best vocals of her entire career).
    he was never an excellent singer, but she was never a slouch either. She has demonstrated throughout her career that she can sing, even if she doesn't excel. After CT, her voice changed. Her tone has changed significantly; she has lost consistency. I believe her poor vocal technique may have also taken a toll on her vocal cords. A tour like the Sticky and Sweet Tour can't help you maintain a healthy voice; there are consequences. After the RHT, the best thing she has done is the tribute to Prince.
    At the WTG and BAT, she was far from perfect, and sometimes she sang worse than others, but overall, she was usually in tune, and the performances were almost always quite successful. She didn't have the heavy breathing and intonation problems that she has now. Don't live in denial.
    I don't know about other fan bases, but it has to be said that these mentioned singers rarely give performances that are so out of tune.
    They hit some wrong notes, but Madonna, when she's not in good shape, surpasses them by far.
     
     
    Lauryn Hill does sound much better than Madonna, even though she may not be in her prime anymore. Enrique Iglesias, for me, is not even an artist.
    And nowadays on social media, when someone sings poorly, they become the target of online ridicule.
    It's not that there's a specific bias against Madonna; it happens to everyone. I think of Fergie's national anthem performance, Lana del Rey's infamous SNL performance, Mariah's NYE 2016 performance.
    Similarly, Madonna is mocked on TikTok for singing CFY nearly tone deaf as well
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    FraP got a reaction from dylanlioncourt in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    But this is cherry-picking. You've chosen her least successful vocal performance on TV EVER. Moreover, it's the technically most challenging song of her entire career, and she has only sung it in its original key twice (here and on Oprah).
    In this performance, it's evident that there were several issues, and she wasn't even in good shape. It can happen once in a career, unless you're a technically extremely skilled singer, in which case your great technical knowledge compensates for the problems of the day.
    Furthermore, it's worth noting that she often gets very nervous when it comes to singing live on TV, as confirmed by some of her collaborators. She was definitely extremely nervous that evening, perhaps because she had laryngitis or something similar.

    Let's talk about the tours.
    Let's talk about her consistency, not just a single unsuccessful performance.
    In the DWT, RIT, and CT, except for a few off nights, her vocal level was good. Throughout the Music Promo Tour and the American Life Promo Tour (possibly the best vocals of her entire career).
    he was never an excellent singer, but she was never a slouch either. She has demonstrated throughout her career that she can sing, even if she doesn't excel. After CT, her voice changed. Her tone has changed significantly; she has lost consistency. I believe her poor vocal technique may have also taken a toll on her vocal cords. A tour like the Sticky and Sweet Tour can't help you maintain a healthy voice; there are consequences. After the RHT, the best thing she has done is the tribute to Prince.
    At the WTG and BAT, she was far from perfect, and sometimes she sang worse than others, but overall, she was usually in tune, and the performances were almost always quite successful. She didn't have the heavy breathing and intonation problems that she has now. Don't live in denial.
    I don't know about other fan bases, but it has to be said that these mentioned singers rarely give performances that are so out of tune.
    They hit some wrong notes, but Madonna, when she's not in good shape, surpasses them by far.
     
     
    Lauryn Hill does sound much better than Madonna, even though she may not be in her prime anymore. Enrique Iglesias, for me, is not even an artist.
    And nowadays on social media, when someone sings poorly, they become the target of online ridicule.
    It's not that there's a specific bias against Madonna; it happens to everyone. I think of Fergie's national anthem performance, Lana del Rey's infamous SNL performance, Mariah's NYE 2016 performance.
    Similarly, Madonna is mocked on TikTok for singing CFY nearly tone deaf as well
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    FraP reacted to missberic in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    I don't know if going down the comparison path is a smart move. Each artist has their own weaknesses, bad days and random circumstances. Like, Katy may be known for her poor breath control, but Madonna couldn't pull Firework live in her wildest dreams. And saying Taylor looks like a crippled person being tazed... Have you seen this tour's Ray Of Light performance?
    Truth is the worst vocals on WTG and BAT don't even come close to what we have now. I wouldn't say she sounds fine, she's cracking more than Mariah defrosting on early holiday season, but she does give a half-decent live performance for 90% of a 2 hour show. Not her worst ever, not her best either. It is what it is.
    Love the new braids. Prefer the old corset. Will pretend I didn't read about the grillz.

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    FraP got a reaction from Lorx in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    But this is cherry-picking. You've chosen her least successful vocal performance on TV EVER. Moreover, it's the technically most challenging song of her entire career, and she has only sung it in its original key twice (here and on Oprah).
    In this performance, it's evident that there were several issues, and she wasn't even in good shape. It can happen once in a career, unless you're a technically extremely skilled singer, in which case your great technical knowledge compensates for the problems of the day.
    Furthermore, it's worth noting that she often gets very nervous when it comes to singing live on TV, as confirmed by some of her collaborators. She was definitely extremely nervous that evening, perhaps because she had laryngitis or something similar.

    Let's talk about the tours.
    Let's talk about her consistency, not just a single unsuccessful performance.
    In the DWT, RIT, and CT, except for a few off nights, her vocal level was good. Throughout the Music Promo Tour and the American Life Promo Tour (possibly the best vocals of her entire career).
    he was never an excellent singer, but she was never a slouch either. She has demonstrated throughout her career that she can sing, even if she doesn't excel. After CT, her voice changed. Her tone has changed significantly; she has lost consistency. I believe her poor vocal technique may have also taken a toll on her vocal cords. A tour like the Sticky and Sweet Tour can't help you maintain a healthy voice; there are consequences. After the RHT, the best thing she has done is the tribute to Prince.
    At the WTG and BAT, she was far from perfect, and sometimes she sang worse than others, but overall, she was usually in tune, and the performances were almost always quite successful. She didn't have the heavy breathing and intonation problems that she has now. Don't live in denial.
    I don't know about other fan bases, but it has to be said that these mentioned singers rarely give performances that are so out of tune.
    They hit some wrong notes, but Madonna, when she's not in good shape, surpasses them by far.
     
     
    Lauryn Hill does sound much better than Madonna, even though she may not be in her prime anymore. Enrique Iglesias, for me, is not even an artist.
    And nowadays on social media, when someone sings poorly, they become the target of online ridicule.
    It's not that there's a specific bias against Madonna; it happens to everyone. I think of Fergie's national anthem performance, Lana del Rey's infamous SNL performance, Mariah's NYE 2016 performance.
    Similarly, Madonna is mocked on TikTok for singing CFY nearly tone deaf as well
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    FraP reacted to Madonna Wannabee Collector in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    i like the old corset better
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    FraP got a reaction from Meryl in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    It happens that I can count myself among those who attended the show. I saw the opening night, and I'll see it again in Lisbon. I was very excited, as I am every time I've seen Madonna up close. I had the feeling that she looked at me three times, and it was a beautiful feeling since I've admired this woman for most of my life.
    But I'm at a stage in life where I've let go of idol worship. I no longer blindly idolize. I understand that love also involves recognizing flaws, seeing what worsens and what improves. One shouldn't be blind, one shouldn't perpetually stay in the infatuation and extreme idealization phase. It's about synthesizing thesis and antithesis; that's the dialectic, and that's the knowledge that underlies true love.
    If I say she was off-key, it doesn't mean I don't love her. If I say the ending left some people a bit confused, it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the concert.
    If many say it's the best since the Confessions era, I don't agree but I respect this opinion, it's just my personal taste. The tour is great and probably better than Madame X and MDNA Tour. But I loved the RHT, and I loved Sticky & Sweet more than this one (although I'm still evaluating it). I'm happy that she's alive and did a show like this. 
    I'm a superfan of Mother And Father, it's one of the songs I listen to most often. I remember all the performances from the Re-Invention Tour, the acoustic one on TV, the one at La Cantine du Faubourg; they were all vocally excellent or even outstanding. This is a different story; you can see she has technical difficulties (as others more knowledgeable than me have explained), and the autotune fails to correct the cracks and the pitch problems well when she holds the long note in "give it UUUUUUUUUUUUUP."
    Did I still enjoy it? Yes. Did I notice that it wasn't comparable to those from the RIT? Yes.
    I'm not nitpicking.
    I'm just saying this show is AMAZING, but her voice is not in a great condition and I did not love the ending.
    I love her, no hate. 
    I don't agree with you. She always sang beautifullly till the Confessions Tour.
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    FraP got a reaction from Kae-Leah Williamson in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    It happens that I can count myself among those who attended the show. I saw the opening night, and I'll see it again in Lisbon. I was very excited, as I am every time I've seen Madonna up close. I had the feeling that she looked at me three times, and it was a beautiful feeling since I've admired this woman for most of my life.
    But I'm at a stage in life where I've let go of idol worship. I no longer blindly idolize. I understand that love also involves recognizing flaws, seeing what worsens and what improves. One shouldn't be blind, one shouldn't perpetually stay in the infatuation and extreme idealization phase. It's about synthesizing thesis and antithesis; that's the dialectic, and that's the knowledge that underlies true love.
    If I say she was off-key, it doesn't mean I don't love her. If I say the ending left some people a bit confused, it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the concert.
    If many say it's the best since the Confessions era, I don't agree but I respect this opinion, it's just my personal taste. The tour is great and probably better than Madame X and MDNA Tour. But I loved the RHT, and I loved Sticky & Sweet more than this one (although I'm still evaluating it). I'm happy that she's alive and did a show like this. 
    I'm a superfan of Mother And Father, it's one of the songs I listen to most often. I remember all the performances from the Re-Invention Tour, the acoustic one on TV, the one at La Cantine du Faubourg; they were all vocally excellent or even outstanding. This is a different story; you can see she has technical difficulties (as others more knowledgeable than me have explained), and the autotune fails to correct the cracks and the pitch problems well when she holds the long note in "give it UUUUUUUUUUUUUP."
    Did I still enjoy it? Yes. Did I notice that it wasn't comparable to those from the RIT? Yes.
    I'm not nitpicking.
    I'm just saying this show is AMAZING, but her voice is not in a great condition and I did not love the ending.
    I love her, no hate. 
    I don't agree with you. She always sang beautifullly till the Confessions Tour.
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    FraP got a reaction from Blue Jean in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    It happens that I can count myself among those who attended the show. I saw the opening night, and I'll see it again in Lisbon. I was very excited, as I am every time I've seen Madonna up close. I had the feeling that she looked at me three times, and it was a beautiful feeling since I've admired this woman for most of my life.
    But I'm at a stage in life where I've let go of idol worship. I no longer blindly idolize. I understand that love also involves recognizing flaws, seeing what worsens and what improves. One shouldn't be blind, one shouldn't perpetually stay in the infatuation and extreme idealization phase. It's about synthesizing thesis and antithesis; that's the dialectic, and that's the knowledge that underlies true love.
    If I say she was off-key, it doesn't mean I don't love her. If I say the ending left some people a bit confused, it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the concert.
    If many say it's the best since the Confessions era, I don't agree but I respect this opinion, it's just my personal taste. The tour is great and probably better than Madame X and MDNA Tour. But I loved the RHT, and I loved Sticky & Sweet more than this one (although I'm still evaluating it). I'm happy that she's alive and did a show like this. 
    I'm a superfan of Mother And Father, it's one of the songs I listen to most often. I remember all the performances from the Re-Invention Tour, the acoustic one on TV, the one at La Cantine du Faubourg; they were all vocally excellent or even outstanding. This is a different story; you can see she has technical difficulties (as others more knowledgeable than me have explained), and the autotune fails to correct the cracks and the pitch problems well when she holds the long note in "give it UUUUUUUUUUUUUP."
    Did I still enjoy it? Yes. Did I notice that it wasn't comparable to those from the RIT? Yes.
    I'm not nitpicking.
    I'm just saying this show is AMAZING, but her voice is not in a great condition and I did not love the ending.
    I love her, no hate. 
    I don't agree with you. She always sang beautifullly till the Confessions Tour.
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    FraP got a reaction from stefo in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    It happens that I can count myself among those who attended the show. I saw the opening night, and I'll see it again in Lisbon. I was very excited, as I am every time I've seen Madonna up close. I had the feeling that she looked at me three times, and it was a beautiful feeling since I've admired this woman for most of my life.
    But I'm at a stage in life where I've let go of idol worship. I no longer blindly idolize. I understand that love also involves recognizing flaws, seeing what worsens and what improves. One shouldn't be blind, one shouldn't perpetually stay in the infatuation and extreme idealization phase. It's about synthesizing thesis and antithesis; that's the dialectic, and that's the knowledge that underlies true love.
    If I say she was off-key, it doesn't mean I don't love her. If I say the ending left some people a bit confused, it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the concert.
    If many say it's the best since the Confessions era, I don't agree but I respect this opinion, it's just my personal taste. The tour is great and probably better than Madame X and MDNA Tour. But I loved the RHT, and I loved Sticky & Sweet more than this one (although I'm still evaluating it). I'm happy that she's alive and did a show like this. 
    I'm a superfan of Mother And Father, it's one of the songs I listen to most often. I remember all the performances from the Re-Invention Tour, the acoustic one on TV, the one at La Cantine du Faubourg; they were all vocally excellent or even outstanding. This is a different story; you can see she has technical difficulties (as others more knowledgeable than me have explained), and the autotune fails to correct the cracks and the pitch problems well when she holds the long note in "give it UUUUUUUUUUUUUP."
    Did I still enjoy it? Yes. Did I notice that it wasn't comparable to those from the RIT? Yes.
    I'm not nitpicking.
    I'm just saying this show is AMAZING, but her voice is not in a great condition and I did not love the ending.
    I love her, no hate. 
    I don't agree with you. She always sang beautifullly till the Confessions Tour.
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    FraP got a reaction from Dick Tracy in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    No criticism allowed. No flaws. Everything is perfect 
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    FraP got a reaction from True Blue 84 in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    No criticism allowed. No flaws. Everything is perfect 
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    FraP reacted to Lorx in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    Her voice is weak, but she has been struggling since the first leg, especially in songs like Mother And Father and CFY.
    In Copenhagen, during CFY she was completely off-key. She only sang it decently once throughout the entire tour, so far. I would also love for her to take care of her voice because I LOVE her voice. During the American Life Promo Tour and the Re-Invention Tour, Mother and Father was spine-tingling.
    Her voice sounds "in mask" most of the times but totally lacks diaphragmatic appoggio, she has poor breath control. This causes a lack of pitch control and tuning.
    Her vibrato is uneven, and there's scratchiness in her throat, a clear sign of forcing air through the vocal cords.
    In addition, she approaches high notes from below (psychological issue), and as a result, they often fall flat.
     
    I hope she's going to take care of her voice too. Otherwise her performances will get worse and worse.
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    FraP got a reaction from stefo in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    Your insights show a deep understanding of these nuances, and I appreciate your willingness to engage in this conversation.
    It's true, we tend to idolize, to make things 'unquestionable,' and it's a quirk of human nature. The world, as you rightly put it, is incredibly intricate, and human intelligence is indeed limited and often predictably biased.
    The appreciation of a wide spectrum of perspectives and embracing the flaws of those we admire can be a refreshing change.
    In my opinion, we should "think differently"; we should be able to question even our own reflections and their roots. Thought and debate are highly risky for individuals' identities; when you look into the infinite abyss, you can sink. And not everyone is ready to sink (think about Oceangate 😂).
    Many are afraid of it, and I get it. But they're incapable of such introspection. This is why religions are created instead of personal philosophies or spiritualities.
    But I live to seek an alternative. I know it's not possible for everyone, but I try.
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    FraP got a reaction from Vogue Italia in Thoughts about Madonna starring in a horror story?   
    I miss Madonna the actress as well. She was never a great actress, but with the right scripts and the right director, she managed to give decent performances (A League of Their Own, Dangerous Game/Sneaky Eyes, Evita).
    She was criticized too harshly. It's true that sometimes her acting was mediocre, but it's also true that she chose the wrong films. I'm sorry she decided to leave acting for this reason.
    Today, it's hard to imagine her acting again. If she were to do it, I hope she doesn't choose a horror film because unfortunately, the horror genre is made up of 95% low-quality films. She would end up making a bad impression once again and being remembered as a poor actress. So I hope she'd choose a good film, perhaps not a big Hollywood production, not a Marvel film.
    It's also worth noting that her face is now much less expressive, which would make acting even more challenging for her, except in certain specific roles. So many great directors would not want her, I guess.
    Alternatively, if she continues on the path of directing, I would like to see her take on a small acting role while directing at the same time.
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    FraP got a reaction from Voguerista in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    Rocco takes after his father, from whom he inherited a passion for suits. In fact, his father always wears a suit and has talked about the significance of men wearing stylish suits many times (even on Joe Rogan's show). Rocco's style is similar to his father's, he only wear suits. It's a bit of a shame because he doesn't have a distinct personal style, but it's a style that I appreciate. He looks good.
    I also have to mention that he bears a resemblance to Madonna's brother, Christopher.
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    FraP got a reaction from Anapausis in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    Rocco takes after his father, from whom he inherited a passion for suits. In fact, his father always wears a suit and has talked about the significance of men wearing stylish suits many times (even on Joe Rogan's show). Rocco's style is similar to his father's, he only wear suits. It's a bit of a shame because he doesn't have a distinct personal style, but it's a style that I appreciate. He looks good.
    I also have to mention that he bears a resemblance to Madonna's brother, Christopher.
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    FraP got a reaction from Anapausis in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    Your insights show a deep understanding of these nuances, and I appreciate your willingness to engage in this conversation.
    It's true, we tend to idolize, to make things 'unquestionable,' and it's a quirk of human nature. The world, as you rightly put it, is incredibly intricate, and human intelligence is indeed limited and often predictably biased.
    The appreciation of a wide spectrum of perspectives and embracing the flaws of those we admire can be a refreshing change.
    In my opinion, we should "think differently"; we should be able to question even our own reflections and their roots. Thought and debate are highly risky for individuals' identities; when you look into the infinite abyss, you can sink. And not everyone is ready to sink (think about Oceangate 😂).
    Many are afraid of it, and I get it. But they're incapable of such introspection. This is why religions are created instead of personal philosophies or spiritualities.
    But I live to seek an alternative. I know it's not possible for everyone, but I try.
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    FraP got a reaction from Angelo in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    It means that any possible criticism or highlighted flaw is not accepted by the fanatics? So, it's all a taboo, and you can only say, "Well done, Madonna, she's beautiful! YAAAS QUEEEN"
    And, by the way, I was at the opening night and I'm going to another show... and while I don't think the show is perfect, it's wonderful and I'm really happy to watch her doing what she does.
    But we're here to talk and discuss flaws. We're not a religion, fortunately.
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    FraP got a reaction from Voguerista in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    Your insights show a deep understanding of these nuances, and I appreciate your willingness to engage in this conversation.
    It's true, we tend to idolize, to make things 'unquestionable,' and it's a quirk of human nature. The world, as you rightly put it, is incredibly intricate, and human intelligence is indeed limited and often predictably biased.
    The appreciation of a wide spectrum of perspectives and embracing the flaws of those we admire can be a refreshing change.
    In my opinion, we should "think differently"; we should be able to question even our own reflections and their roots. Thought and debate are highly risky for individuals' identities; when you look into the infinite abyss, you can sink. And not everyone is ready to sink (think about Oceangate 😂).
    Many are afraid of it, and I get it. But they're incapable of such introspection. This is why religions are created instead of personal philosophies or spiritualities.
    But I live to seek an alternative. I know it's not possible for everyone, but I try.
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    FraP reacted to Pedro Beltran in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    Oh Frank is that your camera or are you happy to see me? 😉
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    FraP reacted to Anapausis in The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)   
    Well, good luck cause it seems in this maniqueist world most people don't understand these 2 concepts: "to exist a wide spectrum of points of view" and "to embrace the flaws from those we admire as a way to get their own insecurities - or what they look to us - as part of accepting our own insecurities." We are used to worship, it may be God, Mao Zedong, Che Guevara, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, Madonna, anyone, even Auguste Comte (in fact there's sort of a "Positivist Church" here in my country, believe it or not). We are used to apply the concept of "unquestionable" to the things we have faith in. This is unarguably a human flaw and a side effect in the use of intelligence versus instinct.
    Of course we can mold the world as we want to, but the world is much more complex than our individual power to make it get better. So, I came to conclusion that, just as fractals, human intelligence is very limited and easily predictable. Every fan forum can give several provings of this.
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