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Exactly. It is weird to say Madonna hated GTI yet she worked so much to make it work. The song didn't fit the vibe of the album. The verses were cool, but that chorus was too goofy.

Of all Madonna singles, WTG got too much unnecessary criticism that it was La Isla Bonita wannabe.

And Papa Don't Preach. Even La Isla Bonita.

I disagree about it . She didn't really need testing grounds. She didn't do it before Music or after HC era. It was just a new way of promotion around album release. Plus, she repeated Candy Shop from promo tour on a world tour, which was disappointing. Madonna actually does that - rehearses songs and later decides not to perform them if they don't fit the vibe of the show. Yes, but Madonna does that. And don't say promo tour and world tour aren't the same. Both are used as a promotion of a new album. The only difference is that Madonna has started to exaggerate with new album songs since 2001. In the 80s and the 90s she did pretty much singles, which is a shame. It is important to present the content of an album, but the amount should be reasonable and there should always be a balance with classic stuff.

Not here for another Mirwais album.

Shep Pettibone: "We did the mixing for Erotic the ode to S&M that Madonna wanted to include in her book, Sex. She felt it should sound the same as Erotica (the song on the album), with just a bass line, her voice and some sensuous Middle Eastern sounds. But by then I had seen the book and had come up with an interesting idea. You have all these great stories in the book," I told her, "Why don't you use them in the song?" I knew that Madonna was developing a 1930s dominatrix look for Erotica, but I didn't realize how far she was willing to go before I saw Sex. It contained stories authored by her mysteriously dark alter, Dita. Madonna took the book and walked out of the room and didn't come back until about half an hour later. Suddenly she was on the mic, speaking in this very dry voice. "My name is Dita," she said, "and I'll be your mistress tonight." I knew that the original Erotica would never be the same again, and it wasn't. The chorus and bridge were changed entirely and the whole psyche of the song became sexier, more to the point. It seemed as if Dita brought out the best in her, actually serving as a vehicle for the dangerous territory she was traveling. Actually, it was the same name Madonna used when she'd stay in hotels around the world. Not anymore." Has Shep released the whole diary about Erotica? The Erotica Diaries have appeared in a magazine, which could mean only interesting parts were chosen for the magazine. It is vague here and there, like the quote above. He says Madonna wants Erotic to sound the same like Erotica. He also mentions Middle Eastern elements. It is not specific if those elements were used for the first time on Erotic. It could mean there was a version with those elements on Erotica itself. While making Erotic, Shep suggests Madonna to use Sex book as an inspiration and mentions Dita. That part implies he has never known about Love Hurts demo where Madonna mentions Dita. It could mean that he didn't hear Love Hurts. But why? We know Madonna wanted a different direction for her music and called Shep, and it would be kind of logical to show him previous demos and say what she likes and doesn't like on them. The sexy talking on Love Hurts is present on Shep's demo, which could mean he did hear Love Hurts. However, Madonna could have achieved that without revealing Love Hurts. So, they are about to make Erotic, Shep suggests Sex book as an inspiration, but it seems Shep has no clue that Madonna prepared Love Hurts lyrics to use on Erotic. Maybe she didn't actually prepare. If she didn't prepare, then what exactly she wanted Erotic to be. She must have had some idea. And the only idea could be using the same lyrics from Erotica on Erotic, while only making a different production. On the other hand, the Sex book they had was probably a working version. So, Shep didn't know about Love Hurts and suggested Madonna to use something from the Sex book, then she went to the other room and she figured out she could use those Love Hurts lyrics for Erotic and probably some of those Love Hurts lyrics were in the working version of Sex book. It is also possible that he heard Love Hurts, but didn't expect Madonna to use it for Erotic after he suggested to use Sex book as an inspiration. Aside from Middle Eastern elements, he is definitely specific about the bridge and the chorus being changed for the final album version of Erotica.

A reissue doesn't have to include every demo version. It would be pointless to get a reissue with a lot of demo versions of one song, if they sound too similar. They should only include demos versions that are different. Of course, if there is free space then they should include demos of other songs, even if they are similar to album versions. I would like something like this: CD 1 - original album CD 2 Erotic Did You Do It Dear Father You Are The One Shame Love Hurts Goodbye to Innocence (Just Say Roe version) Goodbye to Innocence (straight pass version) Goodbye to Innocence (demo assembly) Goodbye to Innocence (final demo version) Actions Speak Louder Than Words (the version with different music) Jitterbug Erotica (one of You Thrill Me versions) Erotica (one of You Thrill Me versions) Why's It So Hard (demo assembly) CD 3 Erotica (William Orbit remix) Fever (edit one) Bad Girl (extended mix) Bye Bye Baby" (N.Y. Hip Hop Mix) Rain (radio remix) Deeper and Deeper (demo) Deeper and Deeper" (Shep's Classic 12-inch) Deeper and Deeper" (David's Klub Mix) Up Down Suite Bad Girl (guitar demo) This Used To Be My Playground

You can base your setlists on the official ones. Music promo tour Impressive Instant, Runaway Lover, Don't Tell Me, What It Feels Like for a Girl, Holiday, Music. American Life promo tour American Life, Hollywood, Nothing Fails, X-Static Process, Mother and Father, Like a Prayer, Don't Tell Me, Like a Virgin. COADF promo tour Hung Up, Get Together, I Love New York, Let It Will Be, Everybody, Jump. Hard Candy promo tour Candy Shop, Miles Away, 4 Minutes, Hung Up, Give It 2 Me, Music.

Music promo tour American Life promo tour COADF promo tour Hard Candy promo tour These shows should have had more songs. She could have performed certain album songs and classics that she didn't plan to perform on world tours. Post your setlists. The maximum is 15 songs on setlist. One or two segments. BTW Her concert setlist for Leonardo DiCaprio Foundation Gala in 2017 was thoughtful. She performed 4 Minutes, Ray of Light, Ghosttown, Open Your Heart and La Isla Bonita. This is really a nice setlist that, aside from La Isla Bonita, focused on songs that she didn't performed a lot or recently, or songs that weren't on a world tour.

She did interviews, which is a promotion, but why didn't she perform songs for TV? In the 80s she performed for VMA's and that's it. Erotica was the first era where she started to perform songs on TV shows. Yes, the songs were hits and performing them would be "pointless", but there were other artists who performed their hit songs on TV. She pretty much promoted a lot for "dark eras" (Erotica, Bedtime Stories, American Life) for obvious reasons. It seems like she didn't bother if her music is a success - Ray of Light and COADF are exceptions. Certain hit songs could have been bigger if she promoted. And I can't believe she called David Fincher to blame him for Oh Father being a flop. She should have done some promo.

If the song is really autobiographical, then it sounds like she is referring to her father and her need to become successful as a way to fix her emotional issues. She became rebellious and used to blame him, she didn't realize that he and other family members were there for her. She became a mother and she started to see things differently. She has a big family that she needs to protect even though she might seem cruel at some times. Life is a circle.

Some of the comments... Madonna is the one who hires people. She does what she likes and wants. If we want to criticize, then let's criticize actual works like photos for magazines. Who cares about Instagram stuff. This woman has done similar photoshoots for quite some time. It is always photoshoped photos with dark Hollywood glamour and "look at me, i am still sexy" attitude. If that what she wants, then it is fine. She also tends to work with the same people, because she created this comfort zone. That's why we are getting the same stuff. She is obsessed with photoshop, but even some of the best photographers out there tend to use it and many of them tend to exaggerate just like Ricardo. And, yes, Madonna also posts unflattering pics of herself on Instagram, which is unusual. Anyway, I can't at some fans acting like Madonna is a boomer who knows nothing about photography. And what is with this generalization that all boomers are the same? Just because some boomer is amazed by some crappy photo or art doesn't mean the other boomer feels the same. You do realize that the same situation exists among every generations. Even Z generation can be amazed by the same shit like some boomer. All people don't have the same taste, or "the taste" to know what is good or bad. Some can see a nice pic, other can see many flaws on that pic. Plus, the best stuff Madonna did in her career was with other boomers. Madonna learned some things from other artists. She has taste. That's why she worked with so many visionaries who also have taste. But Madonna is a human being too. She also can make mistakes. Sometimes she did in the past. And Madonna isn't the same person anymore she used to be. She doesn't care about everything being perfect. Sometimes she does perfect visuals on a tour (MDNA tour), while not showing the same passion for other projects (MDNA album). We talk about a woman who says that Cherish is corny or whatever, then proceeds to make Superstar, then talks about artistic integrity. Like I said, Madonna isn't the same woman she used to be, so if you don't like the current Madonna, then stan the old one. I mean, even I tend to criticize some of her recent works, but it goes too far when we blame other people and act like she is a puppet in music industry. Yes, there are situations when her collaborators deserve to be criticized, but don't forget that Madonna approves everything. She likes to go with the flow at this point, because she has other things to focus on. Anyway, pic one: - Classic Madonna (before Evita) - Modern Madonna (from Evita to COADF) - mature, spiritual, improved voice, vocal effects, electronica, British accent. - Contemporary Madonna (from HC onward) - Messydonna. Sometimes great, sometimes "wtf", but we love her.

I was talking about COADF era. Hung Up didn't get any award at VMA's.

Considering how many stuff have leaked, do you wonder if people have other songs too? You would assume that most of Madonna's demos are in archives in record companies or whatever, but people seem to get them. And why can't we get some descriptions of those songs? Are Shep's Bedtime Stories demos good? Are they better than cheesy Love Won't Wait? Is Get Over demo different than official version? Why did't some Madame X demos leak? After the album release, of course. So many questions. P.S. I can't believe they still haven't started the reissue project. How hard can it be? If an artist like Grace Jones, who isn't successful like Madonna, can release great anniversary reissues with her label, what is the problem with Warner and Madonna? Give us the goodies. In Madonna world, we should be happy because she posts nice photos on Instagram or she is a judge for Pride thing as a thank you to gays who supported her since the beginning. Gurl...

Apparently she heard the song and then told Orbit that he should have offered the song to her. Was this just a rumor? I think it would have been great if it was a Madonna single. Orbit didn't really shine on Music. Amazing was ROL/BS wannabe, while Runaway Lover definitely was a good song that fitted the new sound created by Mirwais. However, Pure Shores was amazing. It evoked ROL album, but felt fresh and different at the same time. It was written by William Orbit and Shaznay Lewis (All Saints memeber). Produced only by Orbit. Madonna should have invited Shaznay Lewis to work together with Orbit on Music songs.