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Hi all
Yesterday Fighter and I transferred the forum over to the new server. I want to give a HUGE thank you to @Fighterfor guiding me every step of the way. If it wasn't for them, there'd be no forum as I really was 'like a virgin' - I think I'm now still a 'baby' Madonna with this, but certainly know a lot more than I did yesterday!
Nothing will change, all the same rules, expectations, community standards will remain the same. All moderators will stay the same and I hope @Fighteralso stays as a member/admin!
I also want to thank each and everyone one of you for keeping this place alive, dynamic, respectful and a great place to come together to share anything really!
Lot's of love
Rebecca Carlson

I added the full guitar riff in the beginning and the Prince guitars at the end.

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Really? The Disco section that morphs into the AIDS era is perfection. We go from the hedonism of the 70's which results in the orgy then into the early 80's Regan conservative era (Why's It So Hard) and AIDS hysteria that ends with the sombre In This Life. It is on par with the LAV - PDP church sequence from BAT for me. 
It really captures what many people say was the tone that transitioned the 70's into the 80's. 

Really? The Disco section that morphs into the AIDS era is perfection. We go from the hedonism of the 70's which results in the orgy then into the early 80's Regan conservative era (Why's It So Hard) and AIDS hysteria that ends with the sombre In This Life. It is on par with the LAV - PDP church sequence from BAT for me. 
It really captures what many people say was the tone that transitioned the 70's into the 80's. 

1. The controversy - LAV especially, also the church wanting to ban the show in Italy
2. Nothing as grandious and theatrical had really been staged before. The closest was Bowie's previous tour. People were blown away by the staging. The New York Times did a whole article about the staging of the show
3. M was at the peak of her career - LAP was a massive hit, Dick Tracy was super hyped, everyone was obsessed with her
4. Truth or Dare - this doco immortalised the show and brought it to people who had never seen her live before and kept the momentum of the tour going well into 1991
5. Girlie Show is much more subdued and sombre
6. She barely toured the US and didn't do nearly as many shows overall. She also barely toured Europe/UK either 
7. She was coming off the failure of Erotica and BOE. I feel like 1993 was a big year for a lot of other artists. Mariah and Janet and Whitney were all scoring big and I feel M got lost in the shuffle
8. I do remember people complaining about the setlist. Not enough older songs. When your tour highlights an album that didn't sell well, people aren't going to remember it as well. BAT scored well because LAP was a massive hit and the singles were too
9. MTV covered this tour to death. They barely touched Girlie Show. I am sure more people saw coverage of BAT by accident and probably had no idea M even toured in 1993

Ah, okay I get ya. Yeah I can understand that

Really? The Disco section that morphs into the AIDS era is perfection. We go from the hedonism of the 70's which results in the orgy then into the early 80's Regan conservative era (Why's It So Hard) and AIDS hysteria that ends with the sombre In This Life. It is on par with the LAV - PDP church sequence from BAT for me. 
It really captures what many people say was the tone that transitioned the 70's into the 80's. 

I agree the concept is amazing, and even the execution! Don't get me wrong, if I sat down to watch the full show then I wouldn't skip just that part. I guess what I mean is when I pick out single performances from the show (e.g. to listen to in the shower haha) I never pick either of those two songs.
Didn't express myself well (so I'm going to repress myself...)

Really? The Disco section that morphs into the AIDS era is perfection. We go from the hedonism of the 70's which results in the orgy then into the early 80's Regan conservative era (Why's It So Hard) and AIDS hysteria that ends with the sombre In This Life. It is on par with the LAV - PDP church sequence from BAT for me. 
It really captures what many people say was the tone that transitioned the 70's into the 80's. 

1. The controversy - LAV especially, also the church wanting to ban the show in Italy
2. Nothing as grandious and theatrical had really been staged before. The closest was Bowie's previous tour. People were blown away by the staging. The New York Times did a whole article about the staging of the show
3. M was at the peak of her career - LAP was a massive hit, Dick Tracy was super hyped, everyone was obsessed with her
4. Truth or Dare - this doco immortalised the show and brought it to people who had never seen her live before and kept the momentum of the tour going well into 1991
5. Girlie Show is much more subdued and sombre
6. She barely toured the US and didn't do nearly as many shows overall. She also barely toured Europe/UK either 
7. She was coming off the failure of Erotica and BOE. I feel like 1993 was a big year for a lot of other artists. Mariah and Janet and Whitney were all scoring big and I feel M got lost in the shuffle
8. I do remember people complaining about the setlist. Not enough older songs. When your tour highlights an album that didn't sell well, people aren't going to remember it as well. BAT scored well because LAP was a massive hit and the singles were too
9. MTV covered this tour to death. They barely touched Girlie Show. I am sure more people saw coverage of BAT by accident and probably had no idea M even toured in 1993

1. The controversy - LAV especially, also the church wanting to ban the show in Italy
2. Nothing as grandious and theatrical had really been staged before. The closest was Bowie's previous tour. People were blown away by the staging. The New York Times did a whole article about the staging of the show
3. M was at the peak of her career - LAP was a massive hit, Dick Tracy was super hyped, everyone was obsessed with her
4. Truth or Dare - this doco immortalised the show and brought it to people who had never seen her live before and kept the momentum of the tour going well into 1991
5. Girlie Show is much more subdued and sombre
6. She barely toured the US and didn't do nearly as many shows overall. She also barely toured Europe/UK either 
7. She was coming off the failure of Erotica and BOE. I feel like 1993 was a big year for a lot of other artists. Mariah and Janet and Whitney were all scoring big and I feel M got lost in the shuffle
8. I do remember people complaining about the setlist. Not enough older songs. When your tour highlights an album that didn't sell well, people aren't going to remember it as well. BAT scored well because LAP was a massive hit and the singles were too
9. MTV covered this tour to death. They barely touched Girlie Show. I am sure more people saw coverage of BAT by accident and probably had no idea M even toured in 1993

Really? The Disco section that morphs into the AIDS era is perfection. We go from the hedonism of the 70's which results in the orgy then into the early 80's Regan conservative era (Why's It So Hard) and AIDS hysteria that ends with the sombre In This Life. It is on par with the LAV - PDP church sequence from BAT for me. 
It really captures what many people say was the tone that transitioned the 70's into the 80's. 

Really? The Disco section that morphs into the AIDS era is perfection. We go from the hedonism of the 70's which results in the orgy then into the early 80's Regan conservative era (Why's It So Hard) and AIDS hysteria that ends with the sombre In This Life. It is on par with the LAV - PDP church sequence from BAT for me. 
It really captures what many people say was the tone that transitioned the 70's into the 80's. 

I didn't criticise men's magazines at all. I pointed out a fact. Men have controlled women's sexuality in media. That is a fact. It is not a criticism. Madonna did say at the time she wanted to show a woman's point of view. This was pre 1993. 
Why do you keep saying "that's not what she says in the sex book" You do know that book is fiction. It is disingenous to quote anything from that book and attribute it to Madonna. If you don't realise it is fiction than maybe Madonna is right "You don't get it"
Also she has barely whinged about the Erotica/Sex book era. She has barely talked about it. I think it has been brought up a handful of times in 30 years. 

First - I never said she said they were misogynist. I said through history men have always controlled the way women have been seen. We had mostly seen a man's view of a woman and a woman's sexuality, she wanted to express her view of a woman's sexuality as a woman. She said this at the time. Pretty simple and straight forward.
Second - She was playing a character in the SEX book. So take what Dita says with a grain of salt. That's like saying "Madonna said in Body of Evidence.....Madonna said in Shanghai Surprise........." Madonna said nothing in the SEX book, her character said plenty and was a fantasy character. 
 
Last - She complained because she was treated like a bad girl who did bad things and was punished for doing what she did. Calling people out for treating a woman like Madonna like a tramp and a slut for being who she is isn't revisionist wokism. It happened and it wasn't okay then and it isn't okay now

For me the point was always that she was sick of seeing a man's view of a woman's sexuality. Look at Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler. These were all acceptable by 1992 and celebs were even starting to pose for them and had always done interviews with those magazines. These were all created and generally run by men.
She was saying that men had dominated a woman's image and sexuality and she was taking it back. The issue is that that seems to be as far as she got in the thought process for the project, and I don't think Meisel or anyone working on the book had the creative understanding to take the project where it needed to go.
Was it half baked? - Maybe. I don't think SEX was ever that amazing. The writing was not up to par for her and the photos were fairly bland. Though some are still iconic. The statement she made was far greater than the project itself.
The bigger issue was that it was hyped to the heavens. Every tv show and newspaper and magazine announced SEX COMING SOON and also Madonna has an album out the same day apparently. I don't think anything was ever going to live up to the hype that came before it. 
For me 1992 was the last year of the 80's for M. It was the hype and scandal and pop culture impact and the mega fame. When we hit 1993 and once it was clear Erotica had flopped, Body of Evidence had flopped and everything she touched was failing, we hit the 90's. 
I agree she was sombre and angry and depressed 93 - 95. I don't think it was just her career. I could write a whole thesis on this period or do a multi part video series on it. It can't be easy to hit heights like she did, and then fall from that and crash hard and have everyone spit on you and kick you and love the fact that you have failed. Mariah, Whitney and Janet were the 'good' girls playing by the rules (though it seems they were all being controlled behind the scenes) and they were getting all the praise. M was being treated like the naughty girl who had to be punished and put in her place. I understand her anger.
As for the Girlie Show. I felt it was brilliant. All of it. 
 

For me the point was always that she was sick of seeing a man's view of a woman's sexuality. Look at Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler. These were all acceptable by 1992 and celebs were even starting to pose for them and had always done interviews with those magazines. These were all created and generally run by men.
She was saying that men had dominated a woman's image and sexuality and she was taking it back. The issue is that that seems to be as far as she got in the thought process for the project, and I don't think Meisel or anyone working on the book had the creative understanding to take the project where it needed to go.
Was it half baked? - Maybe. I don't think SEX was ever that amazing. The writing was not up to par for her and the photos were fairly bland. Though some are still iconic. The statement she made was far greater than the project itself.
The bigger issue was that it was hyped to the heavens. Every tv show and newspaper and magazine announced SEX COMING SOON and also Madonna has an album out the same day apparently. I don't think anything was ever going to live up to the hype that came before it. 
For me 1992 was the last year of the 80's for M. It was the hype and scandal and pop culture impact and the mega fame. When we hit 1993 and once it was clear Erotica had flopped, Body of Evidence had flopped and everything she touched was failing, we hit the 90's. 
I agree she was sombre and angry and depressed 93 - 95. I don't think it was just her career. I could write a whole thesis on this period or do a multi part video series on it. It can't be easy to hit heights like she did, and then fall from that and crash hard and have everyone spit on you and kick you and love the fact that you have failed. Mariah, Whitney and Janet were the 'good' girls playing by the rules (though it seems they were all being controlled behind the scenes) and they were getting all the praise. M was being treated like the naughty girl who had to be punished and put in her place. I understand her anger.
As for the Girlie Show. I felt it was brilliant. All of it. 
 

It's a late Christmas miracle!!!!!!!!
@Jackie Awesome news, thank you so much for taking this on, it means so much
@Fighter Thanks so much for all your hard work. I really hope your health problems heal as well. 
 

It's a late Christmas miracle!!!!!!!!
@Jackie Awesome news, thank you so much for taking this on, it means so much
@Fighter Thanks so much for all your hard work. I really hope your health problems heal as well. 
 

It's a late Christmas miracle!!!!!!!!
@Jackie Awesome news, thank you so much for taking this on, it means so much
@Fighter Thanks so much for all your hard work. I really hope your health problems heal as well. 
 

It's a late Christmas miracle!!!!!!!!
@Jackie Awesome news, thank you so much for taking this on, it means so much
@Fighter Thanks so much for all your hard work. I really hope your health problems heal as well. 
 

It's a late Christmas miracle!!!!!!!!
@Jackie Awesome news, thank you so much for taking this on, it means so much
@Fighter Thanks so much for all your hard work. I really hope your health problems heal as well. 
 

It was shot in London when she went for a promo visit in Feb 1983. Her hair is the same as in the Camden Palace gig.

Have fun anyway, I guess
https://mega.nz/file/MQtAxIZT#8oFQ-gT2sLo6PmZUWXxFhhsiMxToMSDAzXoLp-iU3w4

 
 
 
next leak may blow your mind

I made this using the edit points of the Blond Ambition/VMA versions. Including the extra vocals. And with some slight remastering

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