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She has this weird relationship with her legacy. On one hand, she only looks forward to the point where she pretends an era doesn’t exist after the next one starts, and on the other hand, she keeps performing singles from Madonna till ROL + Hung Up and her looks since Hard Candy, as much as she tries to reinvent, often boil down to bustiers, fishnets and crucifixes. So I have no idea how she feels about the last, but either way she doesn’t have to love it for the label to celebrate some anniversaries and releases digital and physical goodies from them. It’s not like she’s gonna do those by herself, and yet for some reason there’s none.

Couldn’t agree more, but then again she’s the “Material Girl”. She was offered +$100m upfront contract with god knows how much more, so naturally she’s gonna go for that over trying harder and harder each era to make a fraction of that number. She basically sacrificed artistic integrity for a huge sum of money, which isn’t exactly good or bad, since at the end of the day, what she does is a job, but it’s definitely not good for us, the fans and it’s definitely BS when she keeps talking about how she’d “never compromise her artist integrity” by altering a show instead of cancelling, only to end up cancelling AND cutting off a show’s opening along with 4 other songs and hopping late on whatever music trend there is after it ceases to be cool. ? I still adore her though. She’d kick me ass if she reads this but I adore her ?

I think the narrative is framed in a bad light. The real question is why is it a bad thing if somebody used sex in art? Like the tweet said, she owned her body, and she used her own sexual expression in her art, which to me is a very empowering thing, especially when it occurred in a time when the world, including western culture, was far more conservative than it is today, which helped put women empowerment and sexual liberation at the forefront of many mainstream works and conversations, and to me that is huge achievement. It is less about sex and more about liberation, and less about defining yourself by sex and more about normalizing the use of sex and your body on your own terms, rather than being defined by the way others want it to be. Throughout history, sex was always represented as the “obligation that women must give to men in exchange for things” rather than a pleasure for consenting partners, which is extremely harmful because it treats sex as an object that men need and women must give, rather than a pleasure that both parties can enjoy with agreement to what makes both sides happy. Madonna took that agency that men had over Women’s bodies and instead she decided to be the master of it. Like “I express my desire the way it pleases me, with the men or women of my choice. I’m not going to present my sexuality the way you deem to be right, but rather on my own terms” That message generated so much outrage and also so much approval, and if that helped her sell then I’d say she’s earned every cent because she promoted owning your sexuality rather than waiting for someone else’s approval, especially in a time and world where women weren’t allowed to enjoy sex but rather expected to submit to the will of men and only serve it when and how it pleases them. With that said, it is without a shred of a doubt that Madonna’s career doesn’t hinge on sex. She’s had far more to offer than sex and some of her best tracks are ones that are more political, introspective or enigmatic than the ones about dance and sex. The buzz might have gotten her popularity, but she would’ve fell behind long ago if sex was her sole subject, especially in such an sexist, ageist and superficial global mindset towards women and people in general.

Madonna accomplished more for the LGBT+ community than any other artist and more so than even LGBT+ activists. She spoke out against the injustice and discrimination towards us, gave us a platform and representation and normalized our existence in a time decades before it was socially and politically acceptable in the west, and she did so at the detriment of her own career, because she believed in us. People keep undermining her all while praising new singers and corporations who pretty much use our name and the flags of our movement and suffering as tokens to sell, and it’s all so evident from how they spam everyone with LGBT flags in the west but their middle eastern and Russian social media accounts pretend we don’t exist, because our movement doesn’t sell there. I’m genuinely tired of this. Madonna deserves much more recognition and appreciation for her support to our cause than any other, and not only ignoring her, but invalidating her work like they’re doing here is just too disrespectful and unfair.

I adore everything Madonna released so far, old and new, by different degrees of course, but still can’t consider anything she made a let down. Even my least favorite stuff have some redeeming qualities about them. That said, she’s at a point in her career where she could literally bring the second coming and people would still brush it off as “old woman doing youngsters things” or “not as good as the oldies” or “more of the same thing and not unique enough” and I think this is the price of the incredible career she’s had so far. She did everything, tried every style, went to every extreme corner and reinvented herself in various cultural, generational and musical styles. So once you’ve done everything and you’ve pretty much established your appeal on reinvention, shock value and being the leading early adopter and trend setter, at some point there won’t be much new to try, and if there is, the sexism and ageism is gonna stand in its way, not to mention Madonna’s own apparent lack of interest in trying as hard as she used to and being the perfectionist she once was. So if Madonna quite, and even if she quit after MDNA, I’d be very sad because I won’t have more Madonna as she’s the only artist that I truly anticipate her albums and never disappointed me, but at the same time I’d be happy with what she’s given us and I’ll be very excited (and hopefully) for all the legacy/anniversary stuff they’d be reissuing and all the stuff I can collect from her career. The real question is does Madonna have an end date in mind? With the biopic coming and the contract expiring, is she done with music? We did hear that she’s building her own studio at her new home, which is quite a promising indicator that new music is coming in some shape or form, but what would her final era be like? Is she planning some grand exit, a farewell album and tour or is she gonna sing till the end? I wish her a long, happy and healthy life above all else, and I can’t decide if I wanna see Madonna retire with a grand exit and farewell tour or if I want her to continue making music as long as she can and to further change her image and style with age. What I know for sure that I don’t want to see, is for her quality and presence to decline until she’s practically no longer popular or cared about by anyone. That’s something I’ll never accept to happen to her. She always made people outraged because of how she broke all restrictive boundaries and dogma and that’s amazing, but what I don’t want to see is for her to make people laugh at her or belittle her, because she’s far far far greater than any other artist and she deserves way better.

Good luck trying to sell it on BluRay afterwards when the whole world will have Torrented it.

The best thing about this announcement is that this trainwreck of an era is finally ending.

Mediocrity is the brand ?

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One that got popular: True Blue Fan favorite: Confessions on a Dancefloor Experimental: Madame X Cult Classic: American Life Best album of all time: Ray of Light Meh: Hard Candy

She did a phenomenal job and her vocals were outstanding!

I assume they did so because Gomes let it slip before it was ready to be revealed? I sure hope she doesn’t end up releasing it on some US only channel that the entire world will have pirated it the moment it premiers and then no one cares for whatever physical release she makes.

If the reports about Netflix are true, it would be the best decision she’s ever made, because it is a global service and more people can watch as part of their subscription. And yes, physical media isn’t selling much, let alone for an artist who isn’t Taylor Swift, Adele, Lorde or Billie Eillish, so I don’t expect anyone but the hardcore fans to go out of their way to get physical mediums for Madame X Tour. Netflix would be perfect. That said, if there’s an eventual physical release or even something on iTunes and the likes, they better do 4K/HDR Blu-Rays and 4K digital VOD versions to be purchased online.

So… is the Netflix thing true? I read it on Drowned Madonna who always post legitimate stuff, as far as I’ve seen, but the article they link to which they claim has the information from Ricardo Gomes doesn’t mention a single word about Netflix. So where did this idea come from? Is it real? Has the article been modified or was it a false report from Drowned Madonna?

I mean she posted on many celebrities she worked with and many deaths. Britney was someone she appeared with live many times and seemed to care for, so she doesn’t have to die to evoke a reaction from Madonna or other celebrities. Because that seems to be the only thing that gets people to fake-care

Finally somebody said this. It really irks me when people keep saying DVD.

Yeah. Where’s Madonna and all other celebrities who are always chiming in on other issues, around the clock? And Madonna didn’t just kiss Britney nearly two decades ago, they collaborated multiple times and referenced each other as friends, so it’s pretty weird that she hasn’t said a single thing about it.

Songs to be retired: 1. Vogue 2. Human Nature 3. Candy Shop 4. La Isla Bonita 5. Holiday 6. Like A Virgin 7. Hung Up 8. Express Yourself 9. Like A Prayer 10. Ray of Light 11. Music 12. Borderline Songs to revive/perform for the first time: 1. Get Together 2. Die Another Day 3. Easy Ride 4. Nothing Fails 5. Nothing Really Matters 6. The Power of Goodbye 7. Bad Girl 8. Why’s It So Hard 9. Oh Father 10. Live to Tell 11. Wash All Over Me 12. Inside Out 13. Falling Free 14. You’ll See 15. Everybody 16. Justify My Love 17. Impressive Instant 18. God Control 19. Looking for Mercy 20. Let It Will Be 21. Mer Girl 22. Sky Fits Heaven 23. How High 24. Ghosttown 25. Dress You Up 26. I’ll Remember 27. Physical Attraction 28. Skin 29. I Want You 30. American Pie

What bothers me is that it’s supposedly streaming in October, but still no official press release about it, no information about where it’s gonna premier or if it’s even gonna be the full show or documentary and a show. I pray to God that it’s Netflix, because it’s a global service, and not just a US one, and I do remember many sources saying it’s Netflix, but why no official statement yet?

You absolutely nailed it. ?? ?? ?? I can only echo what you said, especially regarding the cheapness in production, running out of ideas and recycling many elements, the weird pacing of the set list, the cringe Polaroid and beer moments, the tardiness, the lack of technologically advanced gadgets, the uninspired outfits, the overly long Fado section and how the songs hardly fit together, not to mention the mediocre interludes. I had a good time because I saw my favorite artist ever once again and so close, but as a show? It was nothing like the extravaganza she made with every tour where she brought the most incredible tech and talents immediately as they come up, and man theater shows did far better and had far more technologically advanced equipments than she did. I see no excuses for the show to be this mediocre, especially for the prices they made people pay where you’d expect something that actually lives up to that price tag.

Her most visually stunning and thematically cohesive era since Confessions on a Dancefloor. She truly knocked it out of the park with God Control and the music videos. If only it was a visual album with a film to feature every track and further flesh out the Madame X persona and had a stadium tour.

It’s either a greatest hits tour or tour remastered releases and anniversary box sets. A greatest hits album would be beyond pointless, because most people stream music nowadays and the tracks are all there along with Celebration and Immaculate collections. Besides, she hasn’t exactly had that many hits after Celebration, so it’s gonna be an almost identical track list, which makes it even more pointless. if they wanna release a compilation album, it better be a ballads collection. She has tons of great ones released after Something to Remember until Madame X, so she could put the spotlight on those and maybe make a small ballads tour? That would be unique.

Imagine the Madame X Tour fiasco but in Vegas. No, thank you. Mark my words that it would be so low budget and she wouldn’t have a heart in it, too many cancellations and tardiness and the same hits over and over, not to mention the whole thing being inaccessible to millions of fans outside of the US. I’d much rather she does separate shows where she re-invents herself in each city she visits every once in a while than a residency in Vegas where it’s all more of the same mediocre thing.

Connected on a subconscious level! Haha ?? Yes! She did everything from Joan of Arc to Asian Influences to Dominatrix, to Middle Easter (sort of) to disco to 40s/50s styles. Futuristic is one thing she hasn’t done yet and it works if she collaborates with the right people and with a good enough budget to make it something truly special. It would really fit her, because she’s been creating art for almost 5 decades so what’s a better way to celebrate the recent throwback trend than to throwback everything she’s done with a sci-fi twist? *praying*

I mean it wouldn’t be the first time an artist did it. Aren’t there box sets like these for all 007 movies, all Beatles songs, or partial box sets of Bowie’s career?