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    The Official M new Music SPECULATION thread 👑

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    23 minutes ago, Debord said:

    I listed some that were alive. Kylie (a decade younger than M) had a top ten hit in the UK, it was a hit almost nowhere else, and the album it was from vanished from the charts within 3 weeks. It's hardly comparable to Beyonce.

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    We aren’t comparing Kylie to Beyoncé, you asked who in her league is dominating the conversation, I responded:

    - Kylie (even with 3 weeks on the charts) had the gay anthem of that season… and was everywhere in social media 

    As long a Madonna is the bar who everyone is measured against she’ll be the standard.

    Didn’t Courtney Love mention recently that Taylor isn’t the new Madonna, as she remains the cultural reference we will as fans desire for her to dominate the conversation 

    The Official M new Music SPECULATION thread 👑

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    9 minutes ago, Debord said:

    I meant it's atypical for artists of her age and longevity.

    Beyonce's albums preceding Renaissance were hits. But my point wasn't about quality (I think Madame X is brilliant) it's that absolutely no-one of Madonna's era has big albums like that. It's always been the case to an extent cos pop music is so youth-oriented but it's particularly so now streaming dominates everything. Again, look at her actual peers - whom amongst them are having big albums "dominating conversation"?

    Aren’t they death? 💀 

    Kylie??? Padam padam???

    The Official M new Music SPECULATION thread 👑

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    9 minutes ago, Debord said:

    The folk I mentioned are Madonna's peers though, not Beyonce. When Madonna was Beyonce's age she was doing the Music album. A woman approaching 70 who's been going for over 40 years is never going to be dominating the charts again and even the attention her albums and tours still get is hugely atypical.

    You notice in my post that I didn’t mention that I wanted hits for Madonna, what I want great products that because of it’s greatness they dominate the conversation… 

    Beyonce hadn’t had a hit in years, but yes she is 42 years old, so you say that Madonna can’t make an outstanding album like Reinassance because she’s 65? 

    I don’t think that the attention she gets is atypical on the contrary it’s a well deserved attention after 40 years of excellence and outstanding work 

    The Official M new Music SPECULATION thread 👑

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    1 hour ago, Debord said:

    I'm a big PSB fan (and going to see them for the umpteenth time in a few weeks) but they're very much in traditional legacy act territory - making records reminiscent of their peak era, which get respectful reviews and debut in the top ten but then vanish from the chart and no-one but the most hardcore of fans ever listens to them again. Obviously a record like Madame X didn't cut through but I think that's in part cos it was a 'difficult' pop album and I think it was Madonna firing on all creative cylinders (and I think there's plenty of hooks in there).

    If we're going to compare Madonna to her peers, let's compare her to her actual peers. Michael Jackson, Prince, Whitney, George Michael are all gone. Janet hasn't done a record in 9 years. U2 haven't done a new record in 7 years. Mariah hasn't done a new record in 6 years. Acts like Bon Jovi and Red Hot Chili Peppers have their own vociferous fanbases who loudly complain that the stuff they put out now is nowhere near as good as their classic stuff. Fans of 'legacy' artists need to adjust expectations and think about how nostalgia and ageing feeds into fandom. As Madonna fans I think we're pretty lucky.

    I agree with almost everything

    PSB make their money touring I think I’ve seen them 6 times in the last three records that’s why I think they can  do what their fans ask from them  I wouldn’t consider Super or Electric are typical PSB but if you feel they are that’s ok  

    as Madonna fans we are super lucky but that’s were I differ with you we must compare to the artist of their light who are living and producing, Taylor is a kid-teen market, but Beyoncé who hadn’t had a hit in years is dominating the conversation in a way I would love Madonna to do again  

     

    Free Brazilian Concert Officially Announced

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    19 minutes ago, vitoralmeiida said:

    hey everyone - I'm here again pouring my anxious heart for you all to see. I've updated my 3D model using the leaked official plan as a guideline.

    the BIG question in my mind is: Where are they going to hang all the equipment for the lighting of the runways? you can see that in my model I've attached the main stage with the big steel pillars in front of the stage (like the Confessions Tour) - that would be enough to accomodate everything.

    however: I've been following the live beach cam and the crew has yet to attach these pieces of the stage together, so I'm thinking its not gonna happen, since the stage has already arrived in Brazil and is scheduled to be setup starting tomorrow morning.

    so... 6 days to go and we'll see how will they deal with the hanging fixtures.

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    Amazing work @vitoralmeiida‼️

    Calling all the engineers in the forum to get back at you with some answers to your questions 

    The Official M new Music SPECULATION thread 👑

    in News ✖ Discussion

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    Of course Madonna has more records on her, but the b… I mean the queen better speed up.

    I’m a PSB regular fan, their four last albums couldn’t be more different among each other, I like them but as everyone they have their creative peaks and valleys 

    They have been pretty consistent in quality and regularity of their products 

    I love Madame X but I wouldn’t mind a joyous pop song like the ones she churn out, it seems like she has lost the Midas touch to manufacture a great simple hook 🪝 

    The Official M new Music SPECULATION thread 👑

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    1 hour ago, ChromaticanMondasia said:

    Like I sometimes fantasise if Hard Candy she worked with Chase and Status with Stuart price still to create a more harder edged album 

    Or MDNA she went the more Diplo/Skrillex/Avicii route and REBEL HEART she went the Dev Hynes, Disclosure route and Madame X Honey Dijon route 

    MDNA just needs a remaster the songs sounds unfinished and muffled 

    The rest are fine ❣️

    Free Brazilian Concert Officially Announced

    in The Celebration Tour

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    1 hour ago, andirabo said:

    On the beach with Madonna: behind the scenes of the negotiations for a show in Rio

     

    Imagine the scene: the greatest pop artist in history is in the middle of the Palais Garnier, the imposing headquarters of the Paris Opera. Saw? Then, with her blue eyes fixed on the camera, she says a completely off-script phrase: “Brazil, I’m coming”. But, in November 2023, less than six months ago, there was nothing certain, not even close, for Madonna to bring her “Celebration Tour” to the country. On the contrary, it was rumored that this would be an almost impossible mission due to technical reasons.

     

    “At the time we thought: why don’t we ask her to record saying ‘Brazil, I’m coming soon’ as an extra for the commercial? If she agreed, she would express a reciprocal interest in facilitating the negotiation of a show. Well, she recorded that speech, but we still didn't have a way to use it!”, jokes Pedro Smith, head of Strategic Brand Relations at Itaú, whose centenary campaign stars Madge. It was up to the bank to pull strings to make it happen. This, of course, is running out of time.

     

    “The day after recording the commercial, we watched her show in Paris and realized that the structure would be very difficult to adapt for a large presentation, like the one we wanted. Because of this, Guy Oseary [the singer's manager] gave us a cold shower,” says Smith.

     

    Okay. There was the biggest bank in Latin America, which already had a close relationship with Madonna, and an experienced producer, used to dealing with the biggest names in showbiz. But destiny… It sometimes plays tricks.

     

    “I had already tried to bring Madonna in 2006, without success, and I had already been talking to Live Nation, responsible for the 'Celebration Tour', but Madonna had that health problem last year and the shows were postponed”, explains Luiz Oscar, or LON, for those closest to you.

     

    Okay, at the end of 2023, Madonna returned to action, recorded the commercial, sold out dates in Europe, but Luiz Oscar, who had gone on vacation at the beginning of the year, also had to deal with his own health. The producer suffered a serious accident, was hospitalized and was out of action. “I broke down completely”, he laughs, now that the scare has passed.

     

    In mid-February (that is, just over 2 months before the show date), with LON back in action, negotiations intensified. “We became very close and exchanged a lot of characters, like a task force to make this show possible, because Itaú had a contract with Madonna and Bonus Track, with Live Nation”, says Smith, who became really close to LON. “It was Saturday, Sunday, sometimes 3am, and Luiz Oscar and I were in meetings with teams from outside Brazil.”

     

    And the teams for everything related to Madonna, of course, are quite demanding. “We have to deliver a show complying with the level of production that it presents around the world, naturally adapted for a much larger space. Only when we had the resizing of this structure, sponsorships, television and technical issues approved was the contract finally signed”, explains Luiz Oscar, stressing that the leaks about the show that took over the internet in the weeks leading up to the official announcement did not interfere in the negotiations. .

    “We could only disclose it after everything was actually signed.”

     

    According to him, the idea, from the beginning, was that the show at Princesinha do Mar would close the “Celebration Tour”, as “a great gift for Brazilian fans”. “It was a great choice – a Saturday, we have a holiday in the middle of the week and more people can visit the city”, says Luiz Oscar.

     

    I hope Madonna enjoys it too.

    https://billboard.com.br/madonna-bastidores-show-brasil/

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