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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Dick Tracy in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Let's sit down guys cause this is going to take a while and i'm about to vent a bit:
    I was just watching Oprah's 1998 interview and then the Live Earth performance from 2007 for the first time in years...and i was thinking about how she looked like a completely different person back then. Not just physically, but her attitude as well.
    I also realized...it was the last time we saw old school Madonna on stage with no major cosmetic surgery and before the drama hit her marriage, before Hard Candy, before S&S tour and before she was considered to be "following trends instead of creating them" as people say. She was just...so cool and confident on that stage! Amazing vocals, dancing 100% of the time, choreo on point. That's who i fell in love with.
    A lot is said about how Guy Oseary taking over changed things...and even though i agree, it's also okay to point out how this was the point Madonna as a person changed, right? Am i alone in this?
    What do you guys think happened at the end of that marriage that shaped Madonna to being the person she is right now? She literally went from being an english housewife that writes children books and has a british accent to excessive plastic surgery, dating boytoys, an overall less secure person than before to the point she's not even comfortable on letting her ego share a talk show with other people. I mean...her Graham Norton show appearances even from 2012 to 2019 are night and day honestly.
    Career wise she always progressed in terms of ideas and you could feel an artistic evolution from her first album until American Life. Re-Invention Tour and the Confessions era was her "damage control" phase and worked for her. Why? She knew she had to deliver. Thinking only about herself and her artistic growth wouldn't get her anywhere and this IS a business after all. She was still modern, but doing 70's inspired disco music and that attracted multiple generations but everyone thought she was the coolest. i remember it so well. It was also the first Madonna era i was a fan of hers. My parents loved her, i was almost 18 and loved her. My cousins weren't even 10 and loved her.
    How did we go from this to wearing grillz, dating boy toys, that Drake kiss, Bitch I'm Madonna phase, whatever she did at that VMA award where she told that Aretha Franklin story that went nowhere while dressed like...that. Going completely unprepared to Eurovision. How bad her vocal preparation was for that and even the BB Awards performances, and most of all...how unprofessional she became?
    She was going through hell during S&S in 2008 and somehow she always kept it professional. Yes she could start a show like half an hour after its initial time...but nothing major.
    How did we go from that stadium tour to  a theater tour that couldn't be worse organized, from that lottery program, to delayed shows at the start of the tour, then each city, then cancellations 3 hours before showtime, to Madonna saying she's being censored by the UK's curfew? Like...she's been performing there since the 80's. She always did her shows because she showed up on time. How can she not realize all this?
    I always loved her, and i think i always will...but Madonna since Eurovision has been even harder to be...likable, even as a diehard fan. Never in a million years i ever expected Madonna to perform to an audience of over 200 million people completely unprepared like that. 
    Is she really living in such a bubble that she doesn't realize everything bad she's doing to her career?
    Has she been told so many times how great she is, she actually started to believe she was? She was always great at this business because she knew her strengths and lows...which right now...she doesn't. Speaking of which...i won't even mention the fact she went on doing a stadium tour in 2012 with basically album tracks (and hits completely changed from their original versions) from an album that didn't sell 2 million copies. Just 4 years before, she did a stadium tour and of course...she did hits. You NEED to know your audience. Somehow...she doesn't anymore. 
    And yes she was always bitchy, sometimes cocky, always had a dry and sarcastic sense of humor, that's still there to this day. But she was always a pro. A hard working pro. And we could always count on her to deliver and she was always the best at doing that. 
    Now she can still be...after waiting for hours...in venues with no AC on, after we stressed for months over lottery programs, canceled shows, reschedules, etc.
    We also started to witness her victimizing herself more and more. Yes ageism exists...but you can't blame everything on sexism, ageism, etc. Look how she handled the SEX era. Watch those interviews from back then. She outsmarted everyone by being witty and confident. Now she cries on instagram. What happened?
    What do you guys think about all this? And please, if you're pretending "this is the same madonna as always"...let's not fool ourselves. She's a totally different person and it's okay to admit. I love her and will always. That's why this is a bit hard to witness. Even harder to see her vocals being so amazing right now. Where was all that before Eurovision? Madame X album recordings (it's clear she had no vocal training before doing this record), etc?
    Do you think all we need is a better team?
    What's next for her? What do you still expect from Madonna?
  2. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from I am madonna in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Let's sit down guys cause this is going to take a while and i'm about to vent a bit:
    I was just watching Oprah's 1998 interview and then the Live Earth performance from 2007 for the first time in years...and i was thinking about how she looked like a completely different person back then. Not just physically, but her attitude as well.
    I also realized...it was the last time we saw old school Madonna on stage with no major cosmetic surgery and before the drama hit her marriage, before Hard Candy, before S&S tour and before she was considered to be "following trends instead of creating them" as people say. She was just...so cool and confident on that stage! Amazing vocals, dancing 100% of the time, choreo on point. That's who i fell in love with.
    A lot is said about how Guy Oseary taking over changed things...and even though i agree, it's also okay to point out how this was the point Madonna as a person changed, right? Am i alone in this?
    What do you guys think happened at the end of that marriage that shaped Madonna to being the person she is right now? She literally went from being an english housewife that writes children books and has a british accent to excessive plastic surgery, dating boytoys, an overall less secure person than before to the point she's not even comfortable on letting her ego share a talk show with other people. I mean...her Graham Norton show appearances even from 2012 to 2019 are night and day honestly.
    Career wise she always progressed in terms of ideas and you could feel an artistic evolution from her first album until American Life. Re-Invention Tour and the Confessions era was her "damage control" phase and worked for her. Why? She knew she had to deliver. Thinking only about herself and her artistic growth wouldn't get her anywhere and this IS a business after all. She was still modern, but doing 70's inspired disco music and that attracted multiple generations but everyone thought she was the coolest. i remember it so well. It was also the first Madonna era i was a fan of hers. My parents loved her, i was almost 18 and loved her. My cousins weren't even 10 and loved her.
    How did we go from this to wearing grillz, dating boy toys, that Drake kiss, Bitch I'm Madonna phase, whatever she did at that VMA award where she told that Aretha Franklin story that went nowhere while dressed like...that. Going completely unprepared to Eurovision. How bad her vocal preparation was for that and even the BB Awards performances, and most of all...how unprofessional she became?
    She was going through hell during S&S in 2008 and somehow she always kept it professional. Yes she could start a show like half an hour after its initial time...but nothing major.
    How did we go from that stadium tour to  a theater tour that couldn't be worse organized, from that lottery program, to delayed shows at the start of the tour, then each city, then cancellations 3 hours before showtime, to Madonna saying she's being censored by the UK's curfew? Like...she's been performing there since the 80's. She always did her shows because she showed up on time. How can she not realize all this?
    I always loved her, and i think i always will...but Madonna since Eurovision has been even harder to be...likable, even as a diehard fan. Never in a million years i ever expected Madonna to perform to an audience of over 200 million people completely unprepared like that. 
    Is she really living in such a bubble that she doesn't realize everything bad she's doing to her career?
    Has she been told so many times how great she is, she actually started to believe she was? She was always great at this business because she knew her strengths and lows...which right now...she doesn't. Speaking of which...i won't even mention the fact she went on doing a stadium tour in 2012 with basically album tracks (and hits completely changed from their original versions) from an album that didn't sell 2 million copies. Just 4 years before, she did a stadium tour and of course...she did hits. You NEED to know your audience. Somehow...she doesn't anymore. 
    And yes she was always bitchy, sometimes cocky, always had a dry and sarcastic sense of humor, that's still there to this day. But she was always a pro. A hard working pro. And we could always count on her to deliver and she was always the best at doing that. 
    Now she can still be...after waiting for hours...in venues with no AC on, after we stressed for months over lottery programs, canceled shows, reschedules, etc.
    We also started to witness her victimizing herself more and more. Yes ageism exists...but you can't blame everything on sexism, ageism, etc. Look how she handled the SEX era. Watch those interviews from back then. She outsmarted everyone by being witty and confident. Now she cries on instagram. What happened?
    What do you guys think about all this? And please, if you're pretending "this is the same madonna as always"...let's not fool ourselves. She's a totally different person and it's okay to admit. I love her and will always. That's why this is a bit hard to witness. Even harder to see her vocals being so amazing right now. Where was all that before Eurovision? Madame X album recordings (it's clear she had no vocal training before doing this record), etc?
    Do you think all we need is a better team?
    What's next for her? What do you still expect from Madonna?
  3. Thanks
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from into the erotico in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Let's sit down guys cause this is going to take a while and i'm about to vent a bit:
    I was just watching Oprah's 1998 interview and then the Live Earth performance from 2007 for the first time in years...and i was thinking about how she looked like a completely different person back then. Not just physically, but her attitude as well.
    I also realized...it was the last time we saw old school Madonna on stage with no major cosmetic surgery and before the drama hit her marriage, before Hard Candy, before S&S tour and before she was considered to be "following trends instead of creating them" as people say. She was just...so cool and confident on that stage! Amazing vocals, dancing 100% of the time, choreo on point. That's who i fell in love with.
    A lot is said about how Guy Oseary taking over changed things...and even though i agree, it's also okay to point out how this was the point Madonna as a person changed, right? Am i alone in this?
    What do you guys think happened at the end of that marriage that shaped Madonna to being the person she is right now? She literally went from being an english housewife that writes children books and has a british accent to excessive plastic surgery, dating boytoys, an overall less secure person than before to the point she's not even comfortable on letting her ego share a talk show with other people. I mean...her Graham Norton show appearances even from 2012 to 2019 are night and day honestly.
    Career wise she always progressed in terms of ideas and you could feel an artistic evolution from her first album until American Life. Re-Invention Tour and the Confessions era was her "damage control" phase and worked for her. Why? She knew she had to deliver. Thinking only about herself and her artistic growth wouldn't get her anywhere and this IS a business after all. She was still modern, but doing 70's inspired disco music and that attracted multiple generations but everyone thought she was the coolest. i remember it so well. It was also the first Madonna era i was a fan of hers. My parents loved her, i was almost 18 and loved her. My cousins weren't even 10 and loved her.
    How did we go from this to wearing grillz, dating boy toys, that Drake kiss, Bitch I'm Madonna phase, whatever she did at that VMA award where she told that Aretha Franklin story that went nowhere while dressed like...that. Going completely unprepared to Eurovision. How bad her vocal preparation was for that and even the BB Awards performances, and most of all...how unprofessional she became?
    She was going through hell during S&S in 2008 and somehow she always kept it professional. Yes she could start a show like half an hour after its initial time...but nothing major.
    How did we go from that stadium tour to  a theater tour that couldn't be worse organized, from that lottery program, to delayed shows at the start of the tour, then each city, then cancellations 3 hours before showtime, to Madonna saying she's being censored by the UK's curfew? Like...she's been performing there since the 80's. She always did her shows because she showed up on time. How can she not realize all this?
    I always loved her, and i think i always will...but Madonna since Eurovision has been even harder to be...likable, even as a diehard fan. Never in a million years i ever expected Madonna to perform to an audience of over 200 million people completely unprepared like that. 
    Is she really living in such a bubble that she doesn't realize everything bad she's doing to her career?
    Has she been told so many times how great she is, she actually started to believe she was? She was always great at this business because she knew her strengths and lows...which right now...she doesn't. Speaking of which...i won't even mention the fact she went on doing a stadium tour in 2012 with basically album tracks (and hits completely changed from their original versions) from an album that didn't sell 2 million copies. Just 4 years before, she did a stadium tour and of course...she did hits. You NEED to know your audience. Somehow...she doesn't anymore. 
    And yes she was always bitchy, sometimes cocky, always had a dry and sarcastic sense of humor, that's still there to this day. But she was always a pro. A hard working pro. And we could always count on her to deliver and she was always the best at doing that. 
    Now she can still be...after waiting for hours...in venues with no AC on, after we stressed for months over lottery programs, canceled shows, reschedules, etc.
    We also started to witness her victimizing herself more and more. Yes ageism exists...but you can't blame everything on sexism, ageism, etc. Look how she handled the SEX era. Watch those interviews from back then. She outsmarted everyone by being witty and confident. Now she cries on instagram. What happened?
    What do you guys think about all this? And please, if you're pretending "this is the same madonna as always"...let's not fool ourselves. She's a totally different person and it's okay to admit. I love her and will always. That's why this is a bit hard to witness. Even harder to see her vocals being so amazing right now. Where was all that before Eurovision? Madame X album recordings (it's clear she had no vocal training before doing this record), etc?
    Do you think all we need is a better team?
    What's next for her? What do you still expect from Madonna?
  4. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from love hurts in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Let's sit down guys cause this is going to take a while and i'm about to vent a bit:
    I was just watching Oprah's 1998 interview and then the Live Earth performance from 2007 for the first time in years...and i was thinking about how she looked like a completely different person back then. Not just physically, but her attitude as well.
    I also realized...it was the last time we saw old school Madonna on stage with no major cosmetic surgery and before the drama hit her marriage, before Hard Candy, before S&S tour and before she was considered to be "following trends instead of creating them" as people say. She was just...so cool and confident on that stage! Amazing vocals, dancing 100% of the time, choreo on point. That's who i fell in love with.
    A lot is said about how Guy Oseary taking over changed things...and even though i agree, it's also okay to point out how this was the point Madonna as a person changed, right? Am i alone in this?
    What do you guys think happened at the end of that marriage that shaped Madonna to being the person she is right now? She literally went from being an english housewife that writes children books and has a british accent to excessive plastic surgery, dating boytoys, an overall less secure person than before to the point she's not even comfortable on letting her ego share a talk show with other people. I mean...her Graham Norton show appearances even from 2012 to 2019 are night and day honestly.
    Career wise she always progressed in terms of ideas and you could feel an artistic evolution from her first album until American Life. Re-Invention Tour and the Confessions era was her "damage control" phase and worked for her. Why? She knew she had to deliver. Thinking only about herself and her artistic growth wouldn't get her anywhere and this IS a business after all. She was still modern, but doing 70's inspired disco music and that attracted multiple generations but everyone thought she was the coolest. i remember it so well. It was also the first Madonna era i was a fan of hers. My parents loved her, i was almost 18 and loved her. My cousins weren't even 10 and loved her.
    How did we go from this to wearing grillz, dating boy toys, that Drake kiss, Bitch I'm Madonna phase, whatever she did at that VMA award where she told that Aretha Franklin story that went nowhere while dressed like...that. Going completely unprepared to Eurovision. How bad her vocal preparation was for that and even the BB Awards performances, and most of all...how unprofessional she became?
    She was going through hell during S&S in 2008 and somehow she always kept it professional. Yes she could start a show like half an hour after its initial time...but nothing major.
    How did we go from that stadium tour to  a theater tour that couldn't be worse organized, from that lottery program, to delayed shows at the start of the tour, then each city, then cancellations 3 hours before showtime, to Madonna saying she's being censored by the UK's curfew? Like...she's been performing there since the 80's. She always did her shows because she showed up on time. How can she not realize all this?
    I always loved her, and i think i always will...but Madonna since Eurovision has been even harder to be...likable, even as a diehard fan. Never in a million years i ever expected Madonna to perform to an audience of over 200 million people completely unprepared like that. 
    Is she really living in such a bubble that she doesn't realize everything bad she's doing to her career?
    Has she been told so many times how great she is, she actually started to believe she was? She was always great at this business because she knew her strengths and lows...which right now...she doesn't. Speaking of which...i won't even mention the fact she went on doing a stadium tour in 2012 with basically album tracks (and hits completely changed from their original versions) from an album that didn't sell 2 million copies. Just 4 years before, she did a stadium tour and of course...she did hits. You NEED to know your audience. Somehow...she doesn't anymore. 
    And yes she was always bitchy, sometimes cocky, always had a dry and sarcastic sense of humor, that's still there to this day. But she was always a pro. A hard working pro. And we could always count on her to deliver and she was always the best at doing that. 
    Now she can still be...after waiting for hours...in venues with no AC on, after we stressed for months over lottery programs, canceled shows, reschedules, etc.
    We also started to witness her victimizing herself more and more. Yes ageism exists...but you can't blame everything on sexism, ageism, etc. Look how she handled the SEX era. Watch those interviews from back then. She outsmarted everyone by being witty and confident. Now she cries on instagram. What happened?
    What do you guys think about all this? And please, if you're pretending "this is the same madonna as always"...let's not fool ourselves. She's a totally different person and it's okay to admit. I love her and will always. That's why this is a bit hard to witness. Even harder to see her vocals being so amazing right now. Where was all that before Eurovision? Madame X album recordings (it's clear she had no vocal training before doing this record), etc?
    Do you think all we need is a better team?
    What's next for her? What do you still expect from Madonna?
  5. Thanks
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from skyfitswim in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Let's sit down guys cause this is going to take a while and i'm about to vent a bit:
    I was just watching Oprah's 1998 interview and then the Live Earth performance from 2007 for the first time in years...and i was thinking about how she looked like a completely different person back then. Not just physically, but her attitude as well.
    I also realized...it was the last time we saw old school Madonna on stage with no major cosmetic surgery and before the drama hit her marriage, before Hard Candy, before S&S tour and before she was considered to be "following trends instead of creating them" as people say. She was just...so cool and confident on that stage! Amazing vocals, dancing 100% of the time, choreo on point. That's who i fell in love with.
    A lot is said about how Guy Oseary taking over changed things...and even though i agree, it's also okay to point out how this was the point Madonna as a person changed, right? Am i alone in this?
    What do you guys think happened at the end of that marriage that shaped Madonna to being the person she is right now? She literally went from being an english housewife that writes children books and has a british accent to excessive plastic surgery, dating boytoys, an overall less secure person than before to the point she's not even comfortable on letting her ego share a talk show with other people. I mean...her Graham Norton show appearances even from 2012 to 2019 are night and day honestly.
    Career wise she always progressed in terms of ideas and you could feel an artistic evolution from her first album until American Life. Re-Invention Tour and the Confessions era was her "damage control" phase and worked for her. Why? She knew she had to deliver. Thinking only about herself and her artistic growth wouldn't get her anywhere and this IS a business after all. She was still modern, but doing 70's inspired disco music and that attracted multiple generations but everyone thought she was the coolest. i remember it so well. It was also the first Madonna era i was a fan of hers. My parents loved her, i was almost 18 and loved her. My cousins weren't even 10 and loved her.
    How did we go from this to wearing grillz, dating boy toys, that Drake kiss, Bitch I'm Madonna phase, whatever she did at that VMA award where she told that Aretha Franklin story that went nowhere while dressed like...that. Going completely unprepared to Eurovision. How bad her vocal preparation was for that and even the BB Awards performances, and most of all...how unprofessional she became?
    She was going through hell during S&S in 2008 and somehow she always kept it professional. Yes she could start a show like half an hour after its initial time...but nothing major.
    How did we go from that stadium tour to  a theater tour that couldn't be worse organized, from that lottery program, to delayed shows at the start of the tour, then each city, then cancellations 3 hours before showtime, to Madonna saying she's being censored by the UK's curfew? Like...she's been performing there since the 80's. She always did her shows because she showed up on time. How can she not realize all this?
    I always loved her, and i think i always will...but Madonna since Eurovision has been even harder to be...likable, even as a diehard fan. Never in a million years i ever expected Madonna to perform to an audience of over 200 million people completely unprepared like that. 
    Is she really living in such a bubble that she doesn't realize everything bad she's doing to her career?
    Has she been told so many times how great she is, she actually started to believe she was? She was always great at this business because she knew her strengths and lows...which right now...she doesn't. Speaking of which...i won't even mention the fact she went on doing a stadium tour in 2012 with basically album tracks (and hits completely changed from their original versions) from an album that didn't sell 2 million copies. Just 4 years before, she did a stadium tour and of course...she did hits. You NEED to know your audience. Somehow...she doesn't anymore. 
    And yes she was always bitchy, sometimes cocky, always had a dry and sarcastic sense of humor, that's still there to this day. But she was always a pro. A hard working pro. And we could always count on her to deliver and she was always the best at doing that. 
    Now she can still be...after waiting for hours...in venues with no AC on, after we stressed for months over lottery programs, canceled shows, reschedules, etc.
    We also started to witness her victimizing herself more and more. Yes ageism exists...but you can't blame everything on sexism, ageism, etc. Look how she handled the SEX era. Watch those interviews from back then. She outsmarted everyone by being witty and confident. Now she cries on instagram. What happened?
    What do you guys think about all this? And please, if you're pretending "this is the same madonna as always"...let's not fool ourselves. She's a totally different person and it's okay to admit. I love her and will always. That's why this is a bit hard to witness. Even harder to see her vocals being so amazing right now. Where was all that before Eurovision? Madame X album recordings (it's clear she had no vocal training before doing this record), etc?
    Do you think all we need is a better team?
    What's next for her? What do you still expect from Madonna?
  6. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Starchild in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Let's sit down guys cause this is going to take a while and i'm about to vent a bit:
    I was just watching Oprah's 1998 interview and then the Live Earth performance from 2007 for the first time in years...and i was thinking about how she looked like a completely different person back then. Not just physically, but her attitude as well.
    I also realized...it was the last time we saw old school Madonna on stage with no major cosmetic surgery and before the drama hit her marriage, before Hard Candy, before S&S tour and before she was considered to be "following trends instead of creating them" as people say. She was just...so cool and confident on that stage! Amazing vocals, dancing 100% of the time, choreo on point. That's who i fell in love with.
    A lot is said about how Guy Oseary taking over changed things...and even though i agree, it's also okay to point out how this was the point Madonna as a person changed, right? Am i alone in this?
    What do you guys think happened at the end of that marriage that shaped Madonna to being the person she is right now? She literally went from being an english housewife that writes children books and has a british accent to excessive plastic surgery, dating boytoys, an overall less secure person than before to the point she's not even comfortable on letting her ego share a talk show with other people. I mean...her Graham Norton show appearances even from 2012 to 2019 are night and day honestly.
    Career wise she always progressed in terms of ideas and you could feel an artistic evolution from her first album until American Life. Re-Invention Tour and the Confessions era was her "damage control" phase and worked for her. Why? She knew she had to deliver. Thinking only about herself and her artistic growth wouldn't get her anywhere and this IS a business after all. She was still modern, but doing 70's inspired disco music and that attracted multiple generations but everyone thought she was the coolest. i remember it so well. It was also the first Madonna era i was a fan of hers. My parents loved her, i was almost 18 and loved her. My cousins weren't even 10 and loved her.
    How did we go from this to wearing grillz, dating boy toys, that Drake kiss, Bitch I'm Madonna phase, whatever she did at that VMA award where she told that Aretha Franklin story that went nowhere while dressed like...that. Going completely unprepared to Eurovision. How bad her vocal preparation was for that and even the BB Awards performances, and most of all...how unprofessional she became?
    She was going through hell during S&S in 2008 and somehow she always kept it professional. Yes she could start a show like half an hour after its initial time...but nothing major.
    How did we go from that stadium tour to  a theater tour that couldn't be worse organized, from that lottery program, to delayed shows at the start of the tour, then each city, then cancellations 3 hours before showtime, to Madonna saying she's being censored by the UK's curfew? Like...she's been performing there since the 80's. She always did her shows because she showed up on time. How can she not realize all this?
    I always loved her, and i think i always will...but Madonna since Eurovision has been even harder to be...likable, even as a diehard fan. Never in a million years i ever expected Madonna to perform to an audience of over 200 million people completely unprepared like that. 
    Is she really living in such a bubble that she doesn't realize everything bad she's doing to her career?
    Has she been told so many times how great she is, she actually started to believe she was? She was always great at this business because she knew her strengths and lows...which right now...she doesn't. Speaking of which...i won't even mention the fact she went on doing a stadium tour in 2012 with basically album tracks (and hits completely changed from their original versions) from an album that didn't sell 2 million copies. Just 4 years before, she did a stadium tour and of course...she did hits. You NEED to know your audience. Somehow...she doesn't anymore. 
    And yes she was always bitchy, sometimes cocky, always had a dry and sarcastic sense of humor, that's still there to this day. But she was always a pro. A hard working pro. And we could always count on her to deliver and she was always the best at doing that. 
    Now she can still be...after waiting for hours...in venues with no AC on, after we stressed for months over lottery programs, canceled shows, reschedules, etc.
    We also started to witness her victimizing herself more and more. Yes ageism exists...but you can't blame everything on sexism, ageism, etc. Look how she handled the SEX era. Watch those interviews from back then. She outsmarted everyone by being witty and confident. Now she cries on instagram. What happened?
    What do you guys think about all this? And please, if you're pretending "this is the same madonna as always"...let's not fool ourselves. She's a totally different person and it's okay to admit. I love her and will always. That's why this is a bit hard to witness. Even harder to see her vocals being so amazing right now. Where was all that before Eurovision? Madame X album recordings (it's clear she had no vocal training before doing this record), etc?
    Do you think all we need is a better team?
    What's next for her? What do you still expect from Madonna?
  7. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Leona Helmsley in Madonna's certifications are completely outdated in the USA. But by how much?   
    I was checking how great Mariah's team has been recently with her career and how they have worked their asses off to actually go back and re-certify old singles, some albums etc. To the point she's actually now ahead of Madonna even though we know who has sold the most. 
    So, i've been trying to figure out what albums could get more certifications but it's kind of hard to do it specially for material pre-soundscan era (1992) but still, i'll try. 
    Give me a hand with it and i'll update the OP with your infos in case mine are wrong:
    ALBUMS:
    You Can Dance - over 1.8M copies sold, possibly more. a 2 x Platinum certification has been talked about for years. (Now certified: Platinum)
    Like a Prayer - over 4.5M sold. I'm almost sure under the new metrics and with streaming numbers for this album material, it could be certified 5 x Platinum right? (Now certified: 4 x Platinum)
    The Immaculate Collection - This is the most obvious case. Certified Diamond (10 x Platinum) but it could be at leasr 12 x Platinum. It's missing 2 Platinum certifications for sure by now (Now certified: Diamind)
    Ray of Light - Certified 4 x Platinum. Last confirmed sales were 4.9M if i remember it right. a 5 x Platinum certification is long overdue. (Now certified: 4 x Platinum)
    Confessions On A Dancefloor - Last confirmed sales were over 1.8M. Shipments included + streaming points it could push it to 2 x Platinum (Now certified: Platinum)
    Hard Candy - Over 800k sold. Streaming points + shipments for the album, plus 4 Minutes success, i think it's safe to say a Platinum certification is possible for it by now. (Now certified: Gold)
    Possible certifications to be added: 6.5M in album certifications missing from her. 
     
    SINGLES:
    Borderline - Confirmed sales of around 950k. Could be Platinum by now (Now certified: Gold)
    Like a Virgin - Confirmed sales of around 2.4M. Could be 2 x Platinum (Now certified: Gold)
    Material Girl - Sales are over 1M. It has no certification when it should be at least Platinum.
    Crazy For You - Sales of over 1.6M Should be Platinum. (Now certified: Gold)
    Angel - Sold over 1M. (Now certified: Gold)
    Dress You Up - Sold over 600k. Should be Gold. (Not Certified)
    Live To Tell - Sold over 800k. Should be Gold. (Not Certified)
    Papa Don't Preach - Sold around 1M copies. Should be Platinum (Now certified: Gold)
    Open Your Heart - Sold over 670k. Should be Gold. (No Certification so far)
    La Isla Bonita - Sold over 780k. Should be Gold or honestly...even Platinum at this point considering its streaming points. (No certification so far)
    Who's That Girl - Sold over 550k. Should be Gold. (No certification so far)
    Causing A Commotion - Sold over 480k. Some streaming points, and an update on these sales could possibly allow it to be Gold by now. (No certification so far)
    Like a Prayer - Sold over 2.4M. It should be at least 2 x Platinum. Possibly even a 3 x Platinum considering its one of Madonna's biggest streaming hits. (Now Certified: Platinum)
    Cherish - Sold over 600k. Should be Gold. (No Certification so far)
    Vogue - Sold over 2.9M. Madonna's best selling physical single ever in the USA. With streaming points, it could be 3 x Platinum by now. (Certification: 2 x Platinum)
    This Used to Be My Playground - Over 1M units sold. Should be Platinum. (Certification: Gold)
    Frozen - Around 950k sold. With streaming points it could be Platinum. (Certified: Gold)
    Ray of Light - Sold over 1.1M. Should be Platinum (Certified: Gold)
    The Power of Goodbye - 490k confirmed sale. Not sure how updated they are. With a few sales and streaing points, a Platinum certification is possible by now. (No certification)
    Die Another Day - sales of over 500k. Should be Gold. (No Certification so far)
    4 Minutes - Sales of over 3.1M. Should be certified 3 x Platinum. (Certified: 2 x Platinum)
    Possible certifications to be added: Up to 15M in single certifications missing from her. (the most optimistic bet)
    It's incredible how her 80's hits were completely forgotten by Warner Bros, even while Madonna was with them. 
    VIDEO:
    ???
    Is any info missing from my list?
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from WopaelWopael in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    Her boobs are asking for some space in there omg
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from proxy in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    Her boobs are asking for some space in there omg
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Pretty Madonna in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    It just hit me this tour is starting in almost a month from now...wtf, we're so close now!
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Honey Little in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    It just hit me this tour is starting in almost a month from now...wtf, we're so close now!
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from wtg1987 in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    It just hit me this tour is starting in almost a month from now...wtf, we're so close now!
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from madgefan in Madonna to be featured on Christine and the Queens new album   
    I thought you were being sarcastic...but your post is actually for real omg.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from madgefan in Madonna to be featured on Christine and the Queens new album   
    The songs streams are abysmal. No one uses it so your friends might be the only ones streaming it.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from BuggedOut in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    Not surprising that one of her biggest songs from her 4th decade is in here, considering this is 4 decades of music.
    It's actually a great song to end this tbh.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Honey Little in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    Not surprising that one of her biggest songs from her 4th decade is in here, considering this is 4 decades of music.
    It's actually a great song to end this tbh.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Mden in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    Not surprising that one of her biggest songs from her 4th decade is in here, considering this is 4 decades of music.
    It's actually a great song to end this tbh.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues reacted to eXtremeOccident in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    "She first hit the scene in 83, she's known as pop deity. Is she a saint, or is she a whore? You'll soon find out, here's the Celebration Tour!" *Hung Up On Tokischa begins*
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues reacted to musicinferno in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    That would be totally fine. I just don't want him to ruin the flow of the show by taking over the mic every 5 mins while she changes or takes a break. 
    I've a feeling this show is gonna be packed with songs and will exceed 2 hours, no need to prolong it with jokes and stories, people will get bored.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Future Lover in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    you're probably right. I just got used at the first shows selling out so fast that i didn't even consider how the market works.
    I mean Beyonce still has like half of her stadium dates with tickets available right now and she's about to start her tour, lmao.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from pop1979 in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    Considering she's performing songs from her past 4 decades as she mentioned, something from Interscope will be there for sure.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues reacted to BuggedOut in Madonna on Instagram / Facebook / Twitter + other Social Media   
    Because her mom is always looking for Mercy.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Neil in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    you're probably right. I just got used at the first shows selling out so fast that i didn't even consider how the market works.
    I mean Beyonce still has like half of her stadium dates with tickets available right now and she's about to start her tour, lmao.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from BuggedOut in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    you're probably right. I just got used at the first shows selling out so fast that i didn't even consider how the market works.
    I mean Beyonce still has like half of her stadium dates with tickets available right now and she's about to start her tour, lmao.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from stfan97 in The Celebration Tour (No Spoilers)   
    Okay now, let's not push it. 
    She has more demand now than some of her tours but she doesn't have more demand than her 2001 / 2012 period. 
    S&S alone had these dates in the UK alone:
    2008: August 23 - Cardiff - Wales - Millennium Stadium - 33,460 / 33,460 - $5,279,107
    September 11 - London England - Wembley Stadium - 73,349 / 73,349 - $11,796,540
    2009: July 4 / 5 - London England - The O2 Arena - 27,464 / 27,464 - $5,873,149
    July 7 - Manchester - Manchester Evening News Arena - 13,457 / 13,457 - $2,827,517
    She did 8 dates at Wembley Arena in 2006, plus a stadium in Wales.
    She did 2 dates in Manchester and 6 dates in England in 2004.
    She did Hyde Park for MDNA and Birmingham, she did a stadium in Scotland, another one in Ireland. 
    This is UK and Ireland only. 
    For this tour she's doing...6 arena dates at the O2 and you still have tickets for the last 2 shows. She might have around 80k people for these 6 shows. To put this in perspective...that's a bit more than the 73k people she had at Wembley stadium in 2008. 
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