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She is, I didn't doubt that. But having your lead vocals doubled up by playing studio lead vocals along your live vocals is simply lazy, I'm sorry. Turn up her mic if the music is too loud but don't do that. And what does her age have to do with that? She's 65 yeah but she hasn't lost her voice. She either doesn't care or doesn't dare to sing without pre-recorded support which I do not expect to happen at a live (!)-concert. And – and that's more important – she diminishes her own talents by doing so. Yeah, you could hear her live vocals stopping when she had to sneeze during ITG but you could also hear how loud her pre-receded vocals were. I'd say it's a 50/50-thing. And it is fuel to the fire of everyone who claims she cannot sing. She obviously thinks so herself.

But she is definitely partly to be blamed for that because with the exception of 1998–2004 she never really bothered with the singing. She didn't train her voice properly until Evita and she lost interest in doing so after Confessions. And these days, she's hiding her singing-ability (which its definitely there) behind effects and backing-tracks. She is not a great singer technically because she doesn't have a wide range. But she is a singer that is able to express emotions. I don't know how she does it but the way she sings a song tells the story at least as much as the lyrics do. She's much better than Taylor here, if you ask me, who doesn't have that ability.
And yet, she goes for backing tracks and everything on tour rather than training her voice and singing properly. If you have the studio vocals playing behind your live vocals, you have to stay in synch with them. That means, you can't alter certain lines, etc., which means you cannot highlight certain parts of a song, depending on the mood or the night. It becomes very robotic. 
I don't mind if she lip-synchs a song when the choreography is demanding. Celine Dion is lipping two thirds of her shows and doesn't dance at all. But I H A T E it when she has her own album vocals playing along during performances such as NRM or Live To Tell. These are numbers where she's standing still. She's a singer after all and she's playing a concert. I expect someone with the professionalism and the talent that Madonna has to sing live without support in such moments. She has proven time and time again that she's capable of doing so. And yet she isn't, may it be a lack of nerves or a lack of training. But if people spend as much money as they do when they buy a ticket to her shows, they deserve someone who's in charge of their nerves and their instrument, here, her voice.

I think is could easily be achieved by moving things around a little. I must admit that I find the first segment a little weird. NRM sets a beautifully mystic tone which isn't picked up. Instead, she leaved after just one song for a costume change only to come out again and perform some of her biggest classics from the 80s.
I'd say by moving the BS–ROL–Rain-section to the front right after NRM and moving Everybody—ITG–OYH–Holiday to the end (between BIM and Celebration), she'd solve the issue by creating a much better flow musically and by having the biggest party hits right at the end.

I think is could easily be achieved by moving things around a little. I must admit that I find the first segment a little weird. NRM sets a beautifully mystic tone which isn't picked up. Instead, she leaved after just one song for a costume change only to come out again and perform some of her biggest classics from the 80s.
I'd say by moving the BS–ROL–Rain-section to the front right after NRM and moving Everybody—ITG–OYH–Holiday to the end (between BIM and Celebration), she'd solve the issue by creating a much better flow musically and by having the biggest party hits right at the end.

Now that I am grown … I run around and sing "bitch I'm Madonna, na nananana." :D

Now that I am grown … I run around and sing "bitch I'm Madonna, na nananana." :D

Now that I am grown … I run around and sing "bitch I'm Madonna, na nananana." :D

Now that I am grown … I run around and sing "bitch I'm Madonna, na nananana." :D

Now that I am grown … I run around and sing "bitch I'm Madonna, na nananana." :D

But she is definitely partly to be blamed for that because with the exception of 1998–2004 she never really bothered with the singing. She didn't train her voice properly until Evita and she lost interest in doing so after Confessions. And these days, she's hiding her singing-ability (which its definitely there) behind effects and backing-tracks. She is not a great singer technically because she doesn't have a wide range. But she is a singer that is able to express emotions. I don't know how she does it but the way she sings a song tells the story at least as much as the lyrics do. She's much better than Taylor here, if you ask me, who doesn't have that ability.
And yet, she goes for backing tracks and everything on tour rather than training her voice and singing properly. If you have the studio vocals playing behind your live vocals, you have to stay in synch with them. That means, you can't alter certain lines, etc., which means you cannot highlight certain parts of a song, depending on the mood or the night. It becomes very robotic. 
I don't mind if she lip-synchs a song when the choreography is demanding. Celine Dion is lipping two thirds of her shows and doesn't dance at all. But I H A T E it when she has her own album vocals playing along during performances such as NRM or Live To Tell. These are numbers where she's standing still. She's a singer after all and she's playing a concert. I expect someone with the professionalism and the talent that Madonna has to sing live without support in such moments. She has proven time and time again that she's capable of doing so. And yet she isn't, may it be a lack of nerves or a lack of training. But if people spend as much money as they do when they buy a ticket to her shows, they deserve someone who's in charge of their nerves and their instrument, here, her voice.

I think is could easily be achieved by moving things around a little. I must admit that I find the first segment a little weird. NRM sets a beautifully mystic tone which isn't picked up. Instead, she leaved after just one song for a costume change only to come out again and perform some of her biggest classics from the 80s.
I'd say by moving the BS–ROL–Rain-section to the front right after NRM and moving Everybody—ITG–OYH–Holiday to the end (between BIM and Celebration), she'd solve the issue by creating a much better flow musically and by having the biggest party hits right at the end.

I think is could easily be achieved by moving things around a little. I must admit that I find the first segment a little weird. NRM sets a beautifully mystic tone which isn't picked up. Instead, she leaved after just one song for a costume change only to come out again and perform some of her biggest classics from the 80s.
I'd say by moving the BS–ROL–Rain-section to the front right after NRM and moving Everybody—ITG–OYH–Holiday to the end (between BIM and Celebration), she'd solve the issue by creating a much better flow musically and by having the biggest party hits right at the end.

She's in desperate need of a damage control tour – much more than in 2004. So whenever she hits the road again, if she comes up with a tour like that, people will sell their grandmothers to get a ticket.
 
The Queen of Pop Tour 2023
01. Express Yourself
02. Into The Groove
03. Open Your Heart
04. Beautiful Stranger
05. 4 Minutes
06. Rescue Me [Interlude]
07. Vogue
08. Deeper and Deeper
09. Don't Tell Me
10. Secret
11. La Isla Bonita
12. This Used To Be My Playground [Interlude]
13. Frozen
14. Live To Tell
15. Papa Don't Preach
16. I'll Remember
17. True Blue / Ghosttown / The Power of Goodbye / Bad Girl / Cherish / Nothing Fails / Nothing Really Matters / Oh Father / You'll See [acoustic request section – one song per night]
18. Rebel Heart [Interlude]
19. Ray Of Light
20. Music
21. Holiday
22. Hung Up
23. Like A Prayer [Encore I]
24. Take A Bow [Encore II]
 

I feel sorry for her but then again, I always wondered how she actually felt comfortable in that pot-smoking surrounding she's been in since dating the latest dancer (I can't even remember their names).
It's really funny that one the one hand it seems she's really looking for men she can control, hence the young guys who are often much less educated than her, aren't as fluent in English as she is and at the same time you can see her changing quite drastically each time she is with a new man. Even 2012-Madonna would rather have shot herself than smoking weed and suddenly she was all about drinking and doing pot. That always seemed to be as if she wanted to make herself compatible to her boyfriends and their peers.
But I guess, eventually, she needs someone much more impressive than any oof the guys she's been with since Guy.

I feel sorry for her but then again, I always wondered how she actually felt comfortable in that pot-smoking surrounding she's been in since dating the latest dancer (I can't even remember their names).
It's really funny that one the one hand it seems she's really looking for men she can control, hence the young guys who are often much less educated than her, aren't as fluent in English as she is and at the same time you can see her changing quite drastically each time she is with a new man. Even 2012-Madonna would rather have shot herself than smoking weed and suddenly she was all about drinking and doing pot. That always seemed to be as if she wanted to make herself compatible to her boyfriends and their peers.
But I guess, eventually, she needs someone much more impressive than any oof the guys she's been with since Guy.

I feel sorry for her but then again, I always wondered how she actually felt comfortable in that pot-smoking surrounding she's been in since dating the latest dancer (I can't even remember their names).
It's really funny that one the one hand it seems she's really looking for men she can control, hence the young guys who are often much less educated than her, aren't as fluent in English as she is and at the same time you can see her changing quite drastically each time she is with a new man. Even 2012-Madonna would rather have shot herself than smoking weed and suddenly she was all about drinking and doing pot. That always seemed to be as if she wanted to make herself compatible to her boyfriends and their peers.
But I guess, eventually, she needs someone much more impressive than any oof the guys she's been with since Guy.

I feel sorry for her but then again, I always wondered how she actually felt comfortable in that pot-smoking surrounding she's been in since dating the latest dancer (I can't even remember their names).
It's really funny that one the one hand it seems she's really looking for men she can control, hence the young guys who are often much less educated than her, aren't as fluent in English as she is and at the same time you can see her changing quite drastically each time she is with a new man. Even 2012-Madonna would rather have shot herself than smoking weed and suddenly she was all about drinking and doing pot. That always seemed to be as if she wanted to make herself compatible to her boyfriends and their peers.
But I guess, eventually, she needs someone much more impressive than any oof the guys she's been with since Guy.

Because that’s one of the reasons why she’s been so successful. Because people knew whenever she did something they would get flawlessly entertained. Yes, she had bad vocals before but every performance of her was a true extravaganza. 
if you strip it back like this – and I love that she finally dares to do that – you need to make sure that what is left is great. 
And she’s well aware of the fact that her live singing is often not good enough. That’s why she uses autotune, has loud album vocals playing along, that’s why she replaced her live vocals with newly recorded vocals when she releases something – from a dvd up to a performance that was aired in TV a few days before with horrible vocals. 
She is a singer and she has a good voice. It’s nothing out of reach for her to train her vocals and sound great, especially not if she’s standing on a bar rather than doing BAT-like dance routines. She just needs to bother. 

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Because that’s one of the reasons why she’s been so successful. Because people knew whenever she did something they would get flawlessly entertained. Yes, she had bad vocals before but every performance of her was a true extravaganza. 
if you strip it back like this – and I love that she finally dares to do that – you need to make sure that what is left is great. 
And she’s well aware of the fact that her live singing is often not good enough. That’s why she uses autotune, has loud album vocals playing along, that’s why she replaced her live vocals with newly recorded vocals when she releases something – from a dvd up to a performance that was aired in TV a few days before with horrible vocals. 
She is a singer and she has a good voice. It’s nothing out of reach for her to train her vocals and sound great, especially not if she’s standing on a bar rather than doing BAT-like dance routines. She just needs to bother. 

Because that’s one of the reasons why she’s been so successful. Because people knew whenever she did something they would get flawlessly entertained. Yes, she had bad vocals before but every performance of her was a true extravaganza. 
if you strip it back like this – and I love that she finally dares to do that – you need to make sure that what is left is great. 
And she’s well aware of the fact that her live singing is often not good enough. That’s why she uses autotune, has loud album vocals playing along, that’s why she replaced her live vocals with newly recorded vocals when she releases something – from a dvd up to a performance that was aired in TV a few days before with horrible vocals. 
She is a singer and she has a good voice. It’s nothing out of reach for her to train her vocals and sound great, especially not if she’s standing on a bar rather than doing BAT-like dance routines. She just needs to bother. 

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She’s not awful on guitar. She’s certainly better than Avril Lavigne or Alanis Morissette who both have gotten more credit for their guitar playing than Madonna. And unlike Alanis (god bless her), Madonna’s guitar is at least plugged.