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1985 - no doubt it was that year that made her a mega star. Everything before that was fame and popularity and stuff but 1985 put her in the upper echelon. 
Everything after that made her untouchable
 

Yeah 85 was when the music took off, but also the myth and the legend really started being built. LAV both album and single hit #1, Material Girl #2, CFY another #1 Angel and Dress You Up in the top 5 and ITG never released but might as well have been another #1. The huge success of Desperately Seeking Susan, dating and marrying Sean Penn, the playboy/penthouse scandal, the Virgin Tour and Live AID. It was non stop all year. 
This was the year every newspaper, tv show and magazine was talking about M non stop and the paps started stalking her and even flew over her wedding. The obssession had begun. 
True Blue hitting big just cemented it and LAP gave her the critical approval that had been begrudging before that. 1989 was when music critics started taking her seriously. Yeah 1990 was another massive year, another 1985 and it too just shot her into the strasophere for sure. 

Yeah 85 was when the music took off, but also the myth and the legend really started being built. LAV both album and single hit #1, Material Girl #2, CFY another #1 Angel and Dress You Up in the top 5 and ITG never released but might as well have been another #1. The huge success of Desperately Seeking Susan, dating and marrying Sean Penn, the playboy/penthouse scandal, the Virgin Tour and Live AID. It was non stop all year. 
This was the year every newspaper, tv show and magazine was talking about M non stop and the paps started stalking her and even flew over her wedding. The obssession had begun. 
True Blue hitting big just cemented it and LAP gave her the critical approval that had been begrudging before that. 1989 was when music critics started taking her seriously. Yeah 1990 was another massive year, another 1985 and it too just shot her into the strasophere for sure. 

It was not live and was edited and it does include shots from Japan. They had a ton of performers that night performing "live via satellite" from their respective concerts. M wasn't the only one. 
The actual MTV awards from 1987 is out there so you can see for yourself if you track it down.
In terms of the music video, interestingly it never seemed to be added to MTV's rotation list in 1987. I get the feeling it was only used internationally and not in the US. Billboard listed video lists from all the different music video shows and it never appeared on any list. Maybe it was played on MTV, but more so in a recurrent manner not like a video would normally play.

WB wasn't about to release a single for a project they were not involved in and could make little money from. They were annoyed that Vision Quest and DSS was stealing thunder from the LAV release and its singles. They refused any kind of release until radio programmers recorded the audio for ITG from the music video and began playing it. So they relented to the demand, somewhat.
WB was clear - they never cared about single sales only album sales - they said this blatantly back in the day. Singles were there to promo an Album and nothing else. The bigger mistake was not putting ITG on LAV like they did in Europe. Though they barely needed help with sales of that LP in the US.  Still the album could have sold an additional million or more if they had done that.
Releasing Angel and ITG at the same time was exactly what they didn't want to do. ITG would have been the bigger seller, meaning less people would be buying the LAV album and its singles. WB and other labels were convinced single sales were eating into album sales. They (WB and other labels) even did an independant study that Billboard got a hold of (well part of it) which actually proved them wrong. But bullheaded, they continued to try to push Billboard to change their rules about physical singles and relied more on airplay until Billboard gave in. 

WB wasn't about to release a single for a project they were not involved in and could make little money from. They were annoyed that Vision Quest and DSS was stealing thunder from the LAV release and its singles. They refused any kind of release until radio programmers recorded the audio for ITG from the music video and began playing it. So they relented to the demand, somewhat.
WB was clear - they never cared about single sales only album sales - they said this blatantly back in the day. Singles were there to promo an Album and nothing else. The bigger mistake was not putting ITG on LAV like they did in Europe. Though they barely needed help with sales of that LP in the US.  Still the album could have sold an additional million or more if they had done that.
Releasing Angel and ITG at the same time was exactly what they didn't want to do. ITG would have been the bigger seller, meaning less people would be buying the LAV album and its singles. WB and other labels were convinced single sales were eating into album sales. They (WB and other labels) even did an independant study that Billboard got a hold of (well part of it) which actually proved them wrong. But bullheaded, they continued to try to push Billboard to change their rules about physical singles and relied more on airplay until Billboard gave in. 

I don't think it was a mistake. I think there was a lot going on in her personal life and a massive culture/pop culture shift around 2009 that made that deal more of a nightmare than it would have been.
She was also battling that douche Perez Hilton who really started the whole Vadge Grandma narrative that others took on and then LG and her Little ones intensified it. 
Radio in the US hated her, the media were sometimes on her side but mostly against her. 
She had a team that was behind the times and a relatively young family she was now parenting mostly solo.
Plus she had so many outside projects that seemed to take her attention. I did say in the unpopular opinion threads that she had lost interest in making music after American Life and I stand by that. I don't think her passion was anywhere near as strong after that failure. All the turmoil and hate probably only made it harder for her to focus on her career, and it did feel like she was mostly just trying to get through the ten years rather than revelling in it.

I don't think it was a mistake. I think there was a lot going on in her personal life and a massive culture/pop culture shift around 2009 that made that deal more of a nightmare than it would have been.
She was also battling that douche Perez Hilton who really started the whole Vadge Grandma narrative that others took on and then LG and her Little ones intensified it. 
Radio in the US hated her, the media were sometimes on her side but mostly against her. 
She had a team that was behind the times and a relatively young family she was now parenting mostly solo.
Plus she had so many outside projects that seemed to take her attention. I did say in the unpopular opinion threads that she had lost interest in making music after American Life and I stand by that. I don't think her passion was anywhere near as strong after that failure. All the turmoil and hate probably only made it harder for her to focus on her career, and it did feel like she was mostly just trying to get through the ten years rather than revelling in it.

I don't think it was a mistake. I think there was a lot going on in her personal life and a massive culture/pop culture shift around 2009 that made that deal more of a nightmare than it would have been.
She was also battling that douche Perez Hilton who really started the whole Vadge Grandma narrative that others took on and then LG and her Little ones intensified it. 
Radio in the US hated her, the media were sometimes on her side but mostly against her. 
She had a team that was behind the times and a relatively young family she was now parenting mostly solo.
Plus she had so many outside projects that seemed to take her attention. I did say in the unpopular opinion threads that she had lost interest in making music after American Life and I stand by that. I don't think her passion was anywhere near as strong after that failure. All the turmoil and hate probably only made it harder for her to focus on her career, and it did feel like she was mostly just trying to get through the ten years rather than revelling in it.

WAIT WHY??? I always thought it odd they didn't capatilise on DWP by releasing Jump and tying it in. Makes absolutely no sense. Devil was a massive hit that summer

I don't think it was a mistake. I think there was a lot going on in her personal life and a massive culture/pop culture shift around 2009 that made that deal more of a nightmare than it would have been.
She was also battling that douche Perez Hilton who really started the whole Vadge Grandma narrative that others took on and then LG and her Little ones intensified it. 
Radio in the US hated her, the media were sometimes on her side but mostly against her. 
She had a team that was behind the times and a relatively young family she was now parenting mostly solo.
Plus she had so many outside projects that seemed to take her attention. I did say in the unpopular opinion threads that she had lost interest in making music after American Life and I stand by that. I don't think her passion was anywhere near as strong after that failure. All the turmoil and hate probably only made it harder for her to focus on her career, and it did feel like she was mostly just trying to get through the ten years rather than revelling in it.

I don't think it was a mistake. I think there was a lot going on in her personal life and a massive culture/pop culture shift around 2009 that made that deal more of a nightmare than it would have been.
She was also battling that douche Perez Hilton who really started the whole Vadge Grandma narrative that others took on and then LG and her Little ones intensified it. 
Radio in the US hated her, the media were sometimes on her side but mostly against her. 
She had a team that was behind the times and a relatively young family she was now parenting mostly solo.
Plus she had so many outside projects that seemed to take her attention. I did say in the unpopular opinion threads that she had lost interest in making music after American Life and I stand by that. I don't think her passion was anywhere near as strong after that failure. All the turmoil and hate probably only made it harder for her to focus on her career, and it did feel like she was mostly just trying to get through the ten years rather than revelling in it.

I don't think it was a mistake. I think there was a lot going on in her personal life and a massive culture/pop culture shift around 2009 that made that deal more of a nightmare than it would have been.
She was also battling that douche Perez Hilton who really started the whole Vadge Grandma narrative that others took on and then LG and her Little ones intensified it. 
Radio in the US hated her, the media were sometimes on her side but mostly against her. 
She had a team that was behind the times and a relatively young family she was now parenting mostly solo.
Plus she had so many outside projects that seemed to take her attention. I did say in the unpopular opinion threads that she had lost interest in making music after American Life and I stand by that. I don't think her passion was anywhere near as strong after that failure. All the turmoil and hate probably only made it harder for her to focus on her career, and it did feel like she was mostly just trying to get through the ten years rather than revelling in it.

There is this. A camera that looks to be on a crane during Where's the Party. This is where she says "My stage is too small" Just prior to getting into the song. Looks like it is filming her, but who knows. Would not be for the screens. None of those cameras were hovering like that.
I must admit there are no cameras to be seen on the two bootlegs from July 4, 1990 that are floating about. Though maybe they got wide shots that night. Maybe all crane shots were July 3 and wide and some crane shots on July 4 (so they were too far back to be seen) and close-ups on July 6. The shot from Live to Tell where the camera circles around her as she is staring at the cross has to be July 6 as I have seen that part on the bootlegs from Jul 3 & 4 and no camera is seen
 

Thanks for that, I had a similar thought but wasn't sure, as I always thought it would be a nightmare to stop and start all the time.
On top of that, Toby Phillips talks about changing the lighting for the show. You can tell from the B Roll and even the bootleg that the colours are more saturated and the stage is nowhere near as brightly lit as normal and that is for all numbers. Why go to all the trouble of changing the entire shows lighting to only film certain numbers. Especially when M raised concerns about the audience being able to see the show. 

I have always thought they could open the concert archive as a VOD style thing. Not sure if that is possible in terms of royalties for other creatives besides M though, who else needs to sign off or get paid for the live shows? 
I was thinking relatively cheap streaming or discs made on demand like the Warner Archive does with their film library. Thus the quality only needs to be a decent master source upscaled or just a decent digital version. That way there is no major overhead that can result in lost revenue. Assuming they have digitised her concert archive (which I doubt)
 

I have always thought they could open the concert archive as a VOD style thing. Not sure if that is possible in terms of royalties for other creatives besides M though, who else needs to sign off or get paid for the live shows? 
I was thinking relatively cheap streaming or discs made on demand like the Warner Archive does with their film library. Thus the quality only needs to be a decent master source upscaled or just a decent digital version. That way there is no major overhead that can result in lost revenue. Assuming they have digitised her concert archive (which I doubt)
 

Honestly, if we could get a US show with quality like Dan K gave us with the Los Angeles snippets, I would be pretty happy.
I really didn't think the archived versions would ever look better than the East Rutherford show, but it shows with the master source and upscaling we could have something pretty awesome. 

Difference is Toby Phillips who produced the concert sequences of ToD states they did film it in full. He says they did all three nights in full. So it isn't as clean cut as the RIT filming that seems to have strong evidence to support they only did a partial filming.
At the very least they should give us the full unedited performances of the songs featured in both documentaries.

It is film grain. If you scrub that grain away you lose detail and actors faces become waxy and the environment becomes blocky and you see these patches of crushed blacks and poor colour reproduction. 
Yes film stock has improved and is less grainy than it used to be. It also depends on the type of film you use. 16mm is very grainy and most likely was what they used for JML. 35mm is less grainy and is most likely what she used for the majority of her music videos. 70mm pretty much has no grain at all, but is expensive and I doubt she shot any of her music videos on that format.

It is film grain. If you scrub that grain away you lose detail and actors faces become waxy and the environment becomes blocky and you see these patches of crushed blacks and poor colour reproduction. 
Yes film stock has improved and is less grainy than it used to be. It also depends on the type of film you use. 16mm is very grainy and most likely was what they used for JML. 35mm is less grainy and is most likely what she used for the majority of her music videos. 70mm pretty much has no grain at all, but is expensive and I doubt she shot any of her music videos on that format.

Yeah I get the feeling Oh Father and Bad Girl were matted for effect. If not, then yes both would be great in wide format. 
Though my guess would be anything pre 1993 is doubtful

I don't think she has really been interested in making music since American Life tanked
Confessions was to try and get back her commercial success, it mostly worked everywhere but the US, so she did Hard Candy, a more R&B flavoured album with relatively hot US producers and that didn't get her commercial US success back either. Radio was done with her and it hurt her in a big way. 
The next few years was more a result of her Live Nation deal, which she signed in the midst of a marriage that was falling apart. Working herself into the ground was probably an attractive prospect at that point, but I am certain she regretted it.
Then she brought Orbit back for MDNA, but I am convinced she had mostly given up and was nowhere near as involved in the making of that album as previous albums. She barely wanted to promote the album, spent more time on other projects and the tour and generally had a "i'm over it" vibe during the few interviews that we got.
I get the feeling with Rebel Heart she went into it wanting to do good work, but Diplo was all wrong for her and she had lost her mojo, you can see it in some of the interviews where she laments how making music has changed and how she had to chase after him to get the album completed. I do think she had high hopes and big plans, but it all went pear shaped during the promo. 
I have no doubt if she hadn't left the US and been inspired by the music scene overseas, Madam X would have never happened, she pretty much said this at the time. I'd be shocked if we got much new music in the future. I think like Madam X, she will need to be inspired to write and record, I honestly don't see it happening. 

Not sure if they did more, though I remember someone uploading a couple of music videos here with Telegenics in the title. I somewhat skipped over them. Maybe do a search with Telegenics and it might come up. It may have been Express Yourself, but no idea if that was official. I guess maybe it was. Honestly I found this info by accident while I was searching for other stuff.

I don't think she has really been interested in making music since American Life tanked
Confessions was to try and get back her commercial success, it mostly worked everywhere but the US, so she did Hard Candy, a more R&B flavoured album with relatively hot US producers and that didn't get her commercial US success back either. Radio was done with her and it hurt her in a big way. 
The next few years was more a result of her Live Nation deal, which she signed in the midst of a marriage that was falling apart. Working herself into the ground was probably an attractive prospect at that point, but I am certain she regretted it.
Then she brought Orbit back for MDNA, but I am convinced she had mostly given up and was nowhere near as involved in the making of that album as previous albums. She barely wanted to promote the album, spent more time on other projects and the tour and generally had a "i'm over it" vibe during the few interviews that we got.
I get the feeling with Rebel Heart she went into it wanting to do good work, but Diplo was all wrong for her and she had lost her mojo, you can see it in some of the interviews where she laments how making music has changed and how she had to chase after him to get the album completed. I do think she had high hopes and big plans, but it all went pear shaped during the promo. 
I have no doubt if she hadn't left the US and been inspired by the music scene overseas, Madam X would have never happened, she pretty much said this at the time. I'd be shocked if we got much new music in the future. I think like Madam X, she will need to be inspired to write and record, I honestly don't see it happening.