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    The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)

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    1 hour ago, cyberrage said:

    Maybe Nikki and Donna will join her on a US gig and redeem it :smile:, it needs harmonies. POG would work better live if its just her lost in the NY stage. We don't need another frozen at this stage

    That would be a dream.

    I don't think it's going to happen.

    Frozen RIT version would be AMAZING. I don't like Rain here: no harmonies and no bridge, it's boring. It makes me sad.

    The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)

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    1 minute ago, ShantiAshtangi said:

    I think is could easily be achieved by moving things around a little. I must admit that I find the first segment a little weird. NRM sets a beautifully mystic tone which isn't picked up. Instead, she leaved after just one song for a costume change only to come out again and perform some of her biggest classics from the 80s.

    I'd say by moving the BS–ROL–Rain-section to the front right after NRM and moving Everybody—ITG–OYH–Holiday to the end (between BIM and Celebration), she'd solve the issue by creating a much better flow musically and by having the biggest party hits right at the end.

    Totally agree with you

    The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)

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    14 minutes ago, Dazedmadonna said:

    That's new to me! It was never talked to me and I never had any setlist which had that song on it. Especially back in June, July, August etc. la Isla was definitely not there. But I believe you as we could confirm eachother in other info and we might have heard different things!

    About Rain I like the arrangement and originally it was rehearsed in its entirety right before leaving for the UK, like 3-4 weeks ago, I was told that Madonna would do the 'spoken' on the bridge live but then it was cut to the mix we have now.

    I received some information in April and May, but after that, there was no further communication with this guy I know (he's an old friend of mine).
    Initially, I was informed that during the rehearsals, the plan was to open the show with Celebration, followed by Nothing Really Matters with Frozen and The Power Of Goodbye as encore/closing song.

    I believe these details to be accurate as I had been provided with a list of the songs that were being practiced, which aligned with the final setlist and the information shared by DrownedMadonna.
    La Isla Bonita was there, for sure.


    However, in May, I was informed that the opening song had been changed to Nothing Really Matters, and the closing songs would now be BIM and Celebration. I received a list of the songs that were being rehearsed, but I didn't hear anything more about The Power Of Goodbye, it was there after Frozen, followed by Like A Virgin, Bitch I'm Madonna + Celebration. Then I think TPOG, as well as other songs, was cut off.

    I knew nothing about Rain.

    The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)

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    1 hour ago, ShantiAshtangi said:

    I don't mind if she lip-synchs a song when the choreography is demanding. Celine Dion is lipping two thirds of her shows and doesn't dance at all. But I H A T E it when she has her own album vocals playing along during performances such as NRM or Live To Tell. These are numbers where she's standing still. She's a singer after all and she's playing a concert. I expect someone with the professionalism and the talent that Madonna has to sing live without support in such moments. She has proven time and time again that she's capable of doing so. And yet she isn't, may it be a lack of nerves or a lack of training. But if people spend as much money as they do when they buy a ticket to her shows, they deserve someone who's in charge of their nerves and their instrument, here, her voice.

    I pretty much agree here.

    When she's doing choreography and is short of breath, it's normal for her to either lip-sync or use a pre-recorded voice at a volume equal to or even louder than hers. And if she's smarter, she can do what she's done sometimes (like Celebration during the MDNA Tour): lip-sync in parts where she's short of breath and out of tune and sing live in the easier parts.

    However, having pre-recorded vocals underneath "Live To Tell" is a bit of a disappointment. The prerecorded voice is too loud and overshadows her live singing. In a song like that, she should sing it herself and use backup singers for the moments where she needs support. It's a bit of a shame; in fact, this performance, as beautiful as it is, doesn't quite compare to the Confessions Tour. There's less soul in it.

    51 minutes ago, ShantiAshtangi said:

    She is, I didn't doubt that. But having your lead vocals doubled up by playing studio lead vocals along your live vocals is simply lazy, I'm sorry. Turn up her mic if the music is too loud but don't do that. And what does her age have to do with that? She's 65 yeah but she hasn't lost her voice. She either doesn't care or doesn't dare to sing without pre-recorded support which I do not expect to happen at a live (!)-concert. And – and that's more important – she diminishes her own talents by doing so. Yeah, you could hear her live vocals stopping when she had to sneeze during ITG but you could also hear how loud her pre-receded vocals were. I'd say it's a 50/50-thing. And it is fuel to the fire of everyone who claims she cannot sing. She obviously thinks so herself.

    It's clear that she has little confidence in her voice, she probably has her reasons. She certainly doesn't study singing as she did during the American Life era.

    But it's perfectly normal for her to use pre-recorded vocals at the same volume as her own in songs where she's dancing and running low on breath.

    45 minutes ago, Justice said:

    Does anyone else think that Stuart Price didn't wow us like on Confessions Tour?

    Yes, I was expecting some beautiful reinvention, as he has always done, but with respect to the original arrangements... somewhat like what he did for "Live To Tell" during the Confessions Tour. However, it seems like he has put very little of his own into it. But that's okay. I'm happy to listen to original versions (but why LAP is not the original one, why?)

     

     

    19 minutes ago, Dazedmadonna said:

    Nope, I believe the show was cut short during the Manchester final rehearsals (that's when La Isla Bonita was added in also) so I don't think we have high chances of them re-appearing. I'd love to be wrong here but I'm not holding my hopes up. :suffer:

    She had already rehearsed La Isla Bonita months before, even before she faced a serious health situation. I had information about the setlist in May, and LIB was on it.

    I also don't think we'll see Oh Father and Sorry, unfortunately. 
    The show is very "packaged." Maybe we'll see Frozen instead of Rain... and I hope so because I found this version of "Rain" quite boring. Without the bridge, the song loses its reason for being.

    The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)

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    1 hour ago, Dazedmadonna said:

    Most artists use live autotune in their concerts nowadays, even other big ones like Taylor, Beyoncé (and also lipsynching, but that's nothing new).

    It's nothing revolutionary or something to be shocked about.

    It's true and I do agree with you. Autotune is used by many in pop music (Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Bieber, even The Weeknd). 
    I don't think Beyoncé uses it, but it's possibile and I can't say for sure because I rarely listen to pop music.

    It makes great singers sound like they’re giving their best performance, addressing minor pitch issues now and then, especially when using IEMs, which can disrupt some singers' pitch sensitivity.
    Conversely, it can worsen the performance of less skilled singers, as it may cause them to go even more out of tune by correcting notes to the nearest pitch (a wrong note if they're really out of tune). This was evident during Madonna's Eurovision LAP performance. If a singer frequently goes out of tune, it requires more settings than just the standard chromatic scale setting which is the most used.

    It's not a revolutionary tool, and it shouldn't be shocking.

    Personally, though, I prefer a more moderate use of it because it takes away a lot of emotion from the voice. I'd rather have substantial support from backup singers (similar to what she did on the Rebel Heart Tour) and autotune just in few parts. But I understand why she uses it; she no longer has the voice she had in the American Life era, and she probably has other things to focus on in her live.

    I still prefer autotune to full lip sync. If I point out that she uses it (she doesn't use it on every single note of the concert, but she uses it extensively), no one should take offense 🤷‍♂️

    The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)

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    2 hours ago, ScottyX said:

    Do you have any recorded music? I would love to hear how incredibly amazing and trained you sound.

    I appreciate your interest, but my goal here is simply to discuss Madonna's performance. If you have any observations or comments about her performance, I'd be happy to hear them. I don't believe my songs are relevant to this discussion. I also work in a different music genre, and I don't think it's necessary to discuss it to demonstrate my musical expertise.

     

    However, I do have knowledge of autotune, since years ago I briefly took a course on audio engineering (which I abandoned) where I learned to use Melodyne. If you have any questions about vocal techniques or even the use of autotune, I'm happy to answer! Although I have limited knowledge of real-time autotune, I've only used Melodyne.

    The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)

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    5 hours ago, Arckangel said:

     

    A little “essay”

    This been a hypocritical problem for very long time. If Madonna sounds good, like GOOD, real good singing live, some people (fans included) will automatically assume she’s lip-syncing.

    Take “Sooner or Later” at the Blond Ambition Tour, for instance. She fully performed it live with no backing track at all during this performance below and the rest of the tour.
     


    But someone commented it must have been mimed, even though some listeners spotted musical imperfections…


    Later during the tour:
     


    Clearly, it was never mimed at all!
     

    This is psychological conditioning. People, fans included, have been conditioned to think of Madonna as a non-singer and not a vocalist or truly professional singer, so if she sounds truly good, people will think it must be lipped.

    We have to make a conscious psychological effort to refute that theory and see Madonna as a talented vocalist, taking into consideration her splendid studio work, how good she sounds on record, including all the pre-Auto-Tune records, and how heartfelt and passionate she sounds live, even if there may be some flaws or imperfections.
     

    Taylor Swift is not considered one of the top vocalists of the music world, but see how astronomically famous she is. Obviously, there is something about her voice that works—can’t just be the songwriting. J.Lo, Britney Spears, Janet Jackson, Paula Abdul and Selena Gomez have also had much success and big hits. 

    Constantly hearing that a recording artist is a non-singer ends up having a psychological effect. We need to refute that in order to fully enjoy them. They may not be the most skilled vocalists, but they are certainly not non-singers.

    Certainly, she's a singer! 

    Back in the day, before Autotune became a thing, she consistently demonstrated pretty decent pitch control in her performances. Interestingly, back then, many naysayers (and fans too) claimed she couldn't sing. It's funny how the same isn't said about other popstar today who don't have great vocal abilities.

    Madonna has always had her fair share of people saying, "She can't dance, and she can't sing." But that's never been entirely accurate. Right up until the 2000s, she kept improving her skills in both dancing and singing.

    In the past, her live singing sometimes led to misunderstandings; many people mistakenly thought she was lip-syncing. Of course, we're talking about folks who weren't well-versed in music and singing, since she often made mistakes that wouldn't have happened in studio recordings if she had been lip-syncing. Her technique was never super-duper amazing, but she could hold her own.

    In recent years, Madonna has occasionally used pre-recorded vocals amped up louder than her live ones. Many understandably associate this with lip-syncing, although that's not the case.

    During her time in Evita, Madonna started to work on enhancing her vocal abilities, allowing her to explore new aspects of her voice that were previously out of reach. She even had a vocal coach back in the early '90s/late 80's, but she didn't take singing all that seriously until Evita. Up until the Re-invention Tour and Confessions Tour, her vocal skills remained solid However, after that era, she neglected her vocal instrument, leading to a period of really bad vocal performances.

    She did get better during the RHT, though she didn't quite reach the levels of the RIT or the CT1.

     

    In this CT2 tour, everyone's like, "Madonna's voice is perfect!" But here's the deal: she's dropped the original song keys way down (which makes sense), and she's using Autotune extensively, even in her ballads. Being a singer myself and having spent time in recording studios, I've got a trained ear, and I can instantly pick up on Autotune, Melodyne, and similar effects.

     

    Rehearsals (spoilers alert)

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    11 minutes ago, Pretender1978 said:

    sounds great but only semi confirms their own rumors, it didn't take a genius to figure out she was gonna do M&F etc. oh well, I'm very curious to see how it will all play out

    Let's say they weren't the only ones with information (an old friend had already given me this information in May), so with their suggestions, it didn't take long for someone to mention Mother and Father. I also knew the list of songs she had tried up until then since May, and I shared some of them around.

    But I only shared this information recently. I asked the very few people to whom I gave the list not to spill the beans, but someone did. It's okay, not a problem, ahah.

    Rehearsals (spoilers alert)

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    2 hours ago, chaosmen1984mk said:

    It just can't be! Music is not part of the setlist?? It must be a bad joke. Music is the last classic that Madonna managed to position in the taste of the general public. That is why it is the only song that she has performed multiple times not only on his tours but also at special and historical events, where the attendees were not exactly her fans, such as Live 8 or the Maluma concert in Medellín.

    Music represents the last time we saw the innovative Madonna only to be kidnapped by a Madonna who decided not to leave her comfort zone and dedicate herself to following fashionable musical trends, something that has characterized her to this day. Something that is not bad after all but in the case of demanding people like me we always miss that innovative side that characterized her so much for many years.

    That is why I hope that Madonna reconsiders and we can finally hear this song in its original version and in all its splendor. Otherwise I will feel that this beautiful celebration will be incomplete at the end of the day.

    Music is one of her best produced singles. Like a techno song, so many layers and great sound design. Hope she didn't remove it from the tour.

    Rehearsals (spoilers alert)

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    16 minutes ago, MPowered said:

    It’s too hard for her to sing live I think. She has more ballads that are easier for her to sing and she tends to only ever do like two ballads per tour.

    The reason is exactly this😬
    At the AMAs, she performed it quite well, but she was nervous because it's one of the most challenging songs in her repertoire to sing, considering it immediately highlights her specific technical difficulties.

    The first time she sang it at the Rebel Heart Tour, she sang it in the original key, including the bridge (But how was I to know which way the story goes).
    She struggled a lot and missed a lot of notes from start to finish.

    In the following performances of Take A Bow during the tour, she lowered the key and removed the bridge. Still, she had difficulty hitting several notes, and her performance was passable, thanks in large part to the substantial support from the backing vocalists. I understand why she doesn't feel up to it today. And with a vocoder she would disrespect the song.

    Rehearsals (spoilers alert)

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    2 minutes ago, Angelo said:

    There will be Kevin 

    Please... The absence of the band will be noticeable. Not everyone may notice it, but we music enthusiasts surely will. I really missed Brian Frasier-Moore during the MX Tour. Live drums in many songs make a difference. During the RHT, Brian was amazing. And in the requested/surprise songs, they always managed to do a great job. I'm also thinking of when they played "Rebel Rebel" or "Take a Bow."

    I hope Price's musical direction is able to compensate for this absence

    Rehearsals (spoilers alert)

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    7 hours ago, Andymad said:

    I just hope she uses some of Nikki and Donna’s vocals. No shade to her backup singers over the years, but they’ve never compared to those girls. Donna back for RIT and Confessions was wonderful.

    In terms of blending I mean. They may be fabulous singers in their own right… but let’s be honest lol. Fabulous of M to try new things and give other singers the praise of a chance, and a great gig. But she should have been looking for the next Nikki and Donna. Not backup singers. You can’t just harmonize with Madonna. It has to be complimentary. Maybe that’s just the vocalist in me.

     

    Having backing vocalists is much better than having a recorded voice, for multiple reasons. That being said, I also believe that Niki and Donna were perfect; they didn't overshadow her, of course they had a prominent space but they added a lot to Madonna's voice, blending perfectly with beautiful harmonies. After them, she had talented backing vocalists, but none as suited to her as Niki and Donna.

    Nicki RIchards is good, but makes mistakes sometimes and she doesn't fit as well with as them.

    Rehearsals (spoilers alert)

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    7 hours ago, McDonna said:

    Again, I never made such claims about him. You'll have to find another member who is fixated on Pittman's personal ideology and/or beliefs.  I don't care what he thinks.  I can separate his personal beliefs from his great talent as a guitarist with Madonna.

    Sorry, I read you didn't care, but I was hoping you knew something 😂.

    I'm a big fan of Pittman; I've been following him on social media for a while, and I know his music (having been a bit of a metalhead myself). I'm curious to dive into this matter.

    Like, sure, he might have some controversial views, but I can't help but admire his guitar skills, and I think he should keep collaborating with M.

    Let's not forget he even co-wrote "EASY RIDE" with her ♥️

    A great artist remains a great artist, even if they go a little crazy, become a bit edgy, or get mixed up in some sketchy stuff. Caravaggio was a murderer, but we all appreciate his art, right?

    I still believe he's stayed friends with Madonna, and that Madonna hasn't pushed him away. She wouldn't do that, she also spoke against cancel culture.

    Anyway, it's a bummer not seeing him on the Celebration Tour.

    Rehearsals (spoilers alert)

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    1 hour ago, MPowered said:

    Express Yourself had really boring renditions after 1993. It’s always the same Shep Pettibone remix. I would love to see something entirely new and surprising for that one but it’s seemingly not even on the setlist from what we know which is quite a surprise imo.

    I always considered that song a 100% sure candidate and never would have expected Oh Father on the setlist. Instead, I thought she would rather pull out Cherish.

    Let's hope we got correct and up-to-date information. I want Oh Father so badly

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