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16 hours ago, Dazedmadonna said:
They’re fakes
everything is under lock for this era. Same goes for Milan on any show/studio versions some fans with a little too much time to waste are trying to offer around.
I've listened a soundboard audio for Holiday. Have you listened to it?
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7 hours ago, True Blue 84 said:
Some London Oct 18 videos, she sounds so good ... I think Oct 17 and 18 are some of the best vocally.
even on Vogue you can hear her clearly at this data , its great
I need this show in full 😍... Such a slay date
Another one from Oct 18 in London. She is slaying Crazy for you and Don't tell me...
This user from above got the entire show and it's definitely one of the best nights... enjoy
The first shows sound okay! Anyway, I want soundboard recordings... We have Holiday and it's clear that somebody has them
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3 hours ago, True Blue 84 said:
The people who can't hear hear singing Burning Up in San Francisco have errors 😂
Great, in this performance she sings the chorus in a way reminiscent of the old demos, using the demo alternative melody (3:22)
I love this! I'm really into her rendition of Burning Up. Her unrefined vocal tone seems to perfectly complement the track. I know she's off-key sometimes here, but I love this and in this song I don't really care about her singing in tune!
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17 minutes ago, FraP said:
Her hairstyle was fire
She never looked as stunning as she is on this tour, not since 2016. Now that you've brought it up, I agree that her hair seemed too voluminous at some shows, but here it's perfect - aside from the significant root growth 😂
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2 hours ago, Bjonkers said:
I love her but... that someone this far into her career as a performer should be so unbothered by pitch is crazy to me. She sounds like a drunk karaoke singer in a bar on those recent videos. Sigh. Go back to Rain please....
Oh yes, I love her but honestly she really sounds tone-deaf, like a drunk karaoke singer. If she didn't have the prerecorded vocals underneath and no microphone effects, it would be even worse.
Someone should tell her, or she should lip sync it.
Compared to the RHT, her voice is incomparable in the same song, it's significantly worse.
Rain wasn't perfect, but she definitely sang it much better. Go back to Rain 🥺
I forgive her for everything, but it saddens me (understandably) to see her bullied on the internet for performances like these 😭😢
2 hours ago, MattyMads said:I wondering with all these instructions she has in ear piece, where to stand what lyric is coming next maybe somehow hinders her more than helps, she appears to be concentrating more on them and then how she sounds?
I also think that having a prompter in your ear while singing is a nightmare. I would never be able to sing like that; if someone were to talk to me in my ear while I'm singing, I'd probably make mistakes and never fully immerse myself in the song and performance.
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I really like the show, but it's not perfect, so I'd change something
- I would remove the interlude with Michael Jackson and replace it with something else.
- I would perform Rain in its original version, with clearer harmonies, including the bridge and the ending. Alternatively, The Power Of Goodbye, performed in lip sync with a brand new recording, purposely imperfect to give the impression of a live performance, perhaps with some live sung phrases, similar to how Celebration was done during the MDNA Tour. Or even Ghosttown, which I believe is a song perfectly suited to her voice (at least her 2015 voice).
- I would add Oh Father, since I know she rehearsed it and it was a beautiful performance.
- I would change the ending a bit, perhaps even the costume. Maybe I would change the song altogether, like doing just a snippet of BIM and transitioning to Music or Celebration, or Music/Celebration with elements of BIM. I know her endings are always celebratory; during rehearsals, she briefly considered closing with TPOG, which she didn't like and removed. However, I know this ending isn't terrible but it's also not my favorite; it's her weakest concert finale ever.
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14 minutes ago, Sheridan1980 said:
Whre can I find the Rebel Heart Tour version with the bridge ?
It's not wow, but I remembered it being worse. Not that bad actually, even though there are some bad mistakes.
It's immensely better, even though she seemed to strain a bit, compared to how she does it now in the Celebration Tour.
It worked better at a slightly lower key in the higher parts like "one lonely star", but maybe I prefer this one because it's the complete song. The only time she performed it in full, besides the one at the AMAs.
And here, even though she strains a bit, it's clear that with some practice, she could improve it in the original key. She could reach that notes.
Audio here isn't the best, though. Unfortunately, many YouTube videos of the first performance don't have audio, as it has been removed due to copyright.
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18 hours ago, MikeyK said:
Has she ever sounded great singing Take A Bow though? I feel like she’s always been pitchy and inconsistent on it. Even that old AMA performance.
Maybe I haven’t watched enough RHT performances but what I remember watching I wasn't impressed with.
She essentially ruined TAB. She wasn't particularly great even at RHT (though the backup singers provided significant assistance), especially the first time she attempted it, where she did the entire song in the original key and with the bridge, but in subsequent performances, she omitted the bridge and lowered the key... Nonetheless, it wasn't terrible; it was somewhat decent at RHT.
The AMA performance was shaky and I think she was nervous, but overall good! I'd almost rank it among Madonna's best performances.
However, here, she misses nearly every note from start to finish and sounds completely tone-deaf. I find myself wondering how it's possible to be so off-key, as in, if you randomly picked 10 people on the street, 6/7 would likely sing more in tune than her in this song.
Rain and Frozen had many cues, but they were much more acceptable.
I would be pleased if Madonna performed You'll See/TPOG, but in this way: if she went into the studio even the day before the performance, recorded the track in about an hour, attempting to correct the biggest mistakes, and then lip-synced it the day after. A lip-sync that appears live. Honestly, I would prefer that; we would still have something new and not overly polished.
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14 minutes ago, Rebel Hugo said:
I shared a short in my Celebration Tour YouTube channel where I posted the exact moments of the fall with the dancer and she forgetting the words of the song if you guys want to defend Madonna from the haters!
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The audio in this video is not great, her voice is barely heard. In the other videos you can hear her more. That's why they say she doesn't sing live. Of course we are talking about people who do not have trained hearing... we can tell from this video too
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Here you can see better how she fell
A minor fall, nothing serious. She took it lightly and professionally
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47 minutes ago, Salida said:
That's a picture I took. It's really special to me.
That's a beautiful photo ❤️
I've taken quite a few myself, but none as stunning as yours. Still, I treasure each and every one of them because they're memories. Some of them I took from really close up. Like this one:
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9 hours ago, scallywally said:
Hun you didnt answer my question. Its was simply which shows have you been to live in the last 5 years.
I don't need to be at 100 shows in person to realize her voice isn't in top shape. And anyway, I saw her in Milan in November.
When you're there live, you're caught up in the moment and only really notice the worst off-key moments, especially since the prerecorded vocals do their part, along with a bit of autotune on some tracks.I don't ignore the videos where she sounds okay @True Blue 84
She's never perfect, but as others have said, at the start of the tour she was singing a bit better than she is now. The fact remains that her voice has deteriorated and hasn't been in good shape for a while. As for singing with prompts, I agree, I could never manage to sing like that.8 minutes ago, dave2290 said:
One of the most powerful moments of the show. I loved it.
It's a shame that I was right in front of the cube and couldn't see her; I could only see the screens of the cube. But I love the song to bits and the performance was really good!- FraP and Leona Helmsley
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5 hours ago, True Blue 84 said:
I don't agree at all, she's not a vocalist, she's an entertainer. And for someone her age, doing this kind of shows, she doesn't sound bad at all. And yes we discussed this before and i still think you should put your energie in artists who just stand there with perfect vocals every night. Madonna will never be that kind of artist. Your to nitpicking when it comes to vocals. She was never a Mariah or Whitney vocally. But again, if you take in mind her age and the kind of show she doesn't sound bad at all. Even critics disagree with you mostly...
And about the backing vocals, have you even watched video's? We got so many video's that proof that the backing tracks aren't even that loud. And they are not just backing tracks, they are ment to blend in with her live vocals because there are no background vocalists this tour. And so many singers today use autotune, you still have to be able to sing, even with autotune because if your horrible autotune can make it even worse. And the little accapella parts sounds fine. We will never agree on this subject, but it's anoying that 90% of your comments are about how bad she sounds in your opinion and i will always say how i feel about that. And sure when she's horrible i will definitely admit ( take a bow) but im not nitpicking every performance vocally because she sounds fine most of the time this tour. Give her a break, let's see Elton John doing this much moving and singing live 😉...
And I posted many video's over the past few months where she sounds good, it's nice to comment on one of those once in a while..
But no hate. Last time you where actually verry sweet...
I don't have any hatred towards you or Madonna, whom I really love.
While I value skilled vocal technique, my affection extends to many many artists who may lack technical prowess.
Madonna was never the best singer technically, but she showed she could sing well for the first decades of her career. She got even better between the late '90s and early 2000s, but after that, she started to get worse, falling below her pre-Evita standards
Imperfections never bothered me; it was her essence I cherished.
Seeing her musical talents fade—struggling with the guitar, losing rhythm, and vocally faltering without the finesse expected of a seasoned singer— makes me a little bit sad. It seems as though she's lost interest, which is disheartening given her magical vocal timbre.
Age isn't the culprit here. Voices can age gracefully with proper care and technique. Even a worn voice can produce beauty with commitment.
I'm a longtime fan and I've only really criticized her vocal care after 2008, notably during the S&S Tour. Yet, I was happy with her efforts during the MDNA and Rebel Heart Tour, where her dedication was palpable.
Her tribute to Prince at the Billboard Music Awards was commendable. However, her performances at Eurovision and the Women's March, along with a missed opportunity for an acoustic set with Jon Batiste in Harlem, left me wishing for better. At times, her performances today are vocally a disaster.
My critique stems from a desire to see her engage more with her music skills. Just a little bit. Regardless, my support will persist as long as my admiration endures. Despite my concerns, my love for Madonna remains.
I hope you understand.
5 hours ago, scallywally said:Not you darlin
TB @Lorx
I mentioned Eurovision, her performance at the Women's March (but there I had let go of the criticism because I appreciated her presence and the intention nonetheless). I mentioned the performance in New York in October 2021, where she was with very good musicians but sang very poorly. I could mention the performance with Maluma, where she sang poorly and messed up Music, getting both the initial cue and the chorus cue wrong, as if she no longer knew her own song well.
In this tour, it's not that her voice is a disaster from start to finish, but what I've noticed is that her voice seems to be getting less and less attention.
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3 hours ago, True Blue 84 said:
"Knowing not everyone enjoys my input"
That's because you only pop up here once in a while when there is a performance with really bad vocals. Telling everyone how your the expert 😅... The tour has many decent to good vocals and we never hear you about those. That's why you anoy people.. I bin critical about some of the performances to vocally, but i also give credit if she sounds good, and yes she does on many performances this tour. And don't come with those bullshit " loud backing tracks blabla " because she can be perfectly heard most of the time. Even the accapella moments she sounds fine ( little star, i will survive, express yourself, sodade, this used to be my playground) ... Again, we are totaly fine if your critical about the vocals, but its nice to say something positive about them to because she definitely doesn't sound bad all the time.
I've never heard "great" vocals on this tour.
I've heard some decent or fair performances, yes.
I've spoken highly of the show, and you and I have even discussed it recently. The show is beautiful. Of course, I do recognize that her voice is not in good shape at all. Fortunately, she compensates with backing vocals, autotune, and when you watch the show, your ears certainly don't bleed. In fact, live, you might even notice it less than in videos.
In my opinion, EY almost never sounds "very good", she sounds good in the chorus and bad in the verses. In Will Survive, however, sometimes she devilered a good performance, other times not so much. Sodade was sung quite well and I liked it, as did Little Star.
This Used To Be My Playground, not so much.
By singing with a bad technique her voice is getting tired too.
Beyond any single performance, you can tell her voice isn't in shape. It's been like this in the last 5 years. I don't know if something happened to her, but I think she's no longer as interested in singing as she was in the early 2000s.
Imho, something like this performance would have never happened to her fifteen years ago; the reason is that she simply no longer cares about being a singer, but more of a performer. She doesn't believe in her voice potential. But I still love her just the same.
38 minutes ago, True Blue 84 said:I want true blue acoustic , like this one
who's with me? 🥰
It was an emotional performance ❤️ Live, it was even more so. But I think she would never do it again; she would need to rehearse it well and also have an instrumental backing. But we already have this performance, I would rather something new. Oh Father, maybe... 🥺
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55 minutes ago, Roland Barthes said:
Oh my god, Take Bow hahahah....who said drunk karaoke is totally on spot. "Push play on the instrumental on spotify !"
Madonna's ability to constantly sabotage herself deserves a study in psychology classes.
Every time singing is brought up, I chime in, knowing not everyone enjoys my input. However, vocally, Madonna has never been in such poor shape. Not even during the S&S Tour; it's just that here, her difficulties are better masked by pre-recorded vocals and autotune. In this performance, she sings really badly, it's difficult even when trying hard to miss notes in this way. Not that she sang perfectly at the RHT, but it was better.
Now she doesn't even make an effort; you can tell she doesn't care much about singing and listening to herself while producing the sounds and notes with her voice. She's sabotaging herself but she thinks she isn't.
The show is fantastic, but she's no longer a singer and that's a pity. If she were a singer, it would be okay for her to make mistakes, but it would still be impossible to sound like a drunken off-key girl at karaoke.
It's better for her to go back to songs like Frozen or Rain, even though she also sang Rain terribly at times and Frozen wasn't perfect either.
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On 2/11/2024 at 7:50 PM, Burning Up 4 Madonna said:
Back to the tour NEW clip
This hairstyle was better
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6 hours ago, Lum said:
yes, i mean just get rid of holding a microphone all together. i feel it really interfered with the choreography and dancer interaction.
I agree. If you're not singing live anyway, and it's obvious to everybody, it's better that you don't even use a microphone, as she had done at the VMAs in Vogue.
Having the microphone in my opinion generates the suspicion that the other songs are lip synched as well, when they're not.
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7 hours ago, True Blue 84 said:
I always thought "Everybody" was lipped, but she sings the verses live here ( yeah yeah, over a backing track, but since there is no band with background vocalists, she needs those backing tracks ) she's out of breath but she's dancing so ..
Everybody has always been performed live. It's only in the chorus that she doesn't sing or when she does, her voice isn't heard because the original recorded voice overpowers it, and the volume of her live voice will be at 10%. Here, you can also hear her voice a bit in the chorus (it must be a spot in the arena where her voice is better heard). When I was standing during Everybody, at the chorus I couldn't hear her voice at all, only during the verses
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2 hours ago, Alibaba said:
That’s what’s special about it all, and I feel Madonna really pushed herself harder vocally and physically last night. Who knows if their presence wasn’t a factor in this?!
In contrast to what you noticed, from the videos I saw, she appeared tired, her movements were less energetic, and vocally, she was much shakier than usual. However, I didn't watch the entire concert so maybe you're right!
However, I imagine this tour is quite exhausting for her, there are dates when she seems more energetic and others where she looks like only hints at the steps in the choreography. It is certain, though, that she is still fantastic, considering the knee issues and the hip replacement she has. She's always giving her best!
2 hours ago, Alibaba said:I’m only sharing this for those who asked why there would be any friction or tension between any of the players in this dynamic.
Thank you! However, I don't remember if it was Niki who left Madonna or Madonna who fired her. Sometimes it seems more like Niki left Madonna.
Nonetheless, Niki had physical issues during the DWT, but I still found her good in the choreographies, during Holiday her dancing was smooth; at the end of Music, she also does all the squats (obviously not with the energy of Madonna).
In any case, what you're saying is true. The more I think about it, the more I believe it's unlikely we'll ever see them together again. This tour was the only chance.
Madonna is a different artist today, I don't think she even thinks about singing with them anymore. In this tour she doesn't even have live backing vocals, there is her pre-recorded voice, Niki and Donna old studio recordings (in NRM), Kiley Dean and she uses autotune. She moved on.
5 hours ago, kesiak said:That whole rant from Siedah never made sense to me. First of all, she comes across as slightly unhinged, second of all - there's no way Donna would've done the gospel solo in Like A Prayer, she's not that kind of vocalist. And finally, she went on to tour with M again while Siedah did not.
Agree!
1 hour ago, MattyMads said:Those hoping for a Donna & Niki reunion there is still LA, D&N have a show on the 8th March but could very well guest 7th or 9th Mar don’t be disheartened we don’t know whether last night they were front row to observe the show
Hoping is free, but it's unlikely, I guess.
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30 minutes ago, missberic said:
No way!
I didn't want to say more, I know I wrote something super generic 🤣🤣🤣
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37 minutes ago, Blue Jean said:
Welcome to the forum Donna
You're such a hater 🤡 But it's getting boring, so many shady comments and fights here... We should move on
The Celebration Tour (Spoilers)
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Thank you for your response
I had my doubts too. The quality is poor, but at the same time, it doesn't seem like it's recorded with a smartphone or as if it's taken from the IEM audio of RHT, because they are different. And so, this made me confused.
But I trust your judgment.
Given our discussion, I'm curious to know more about the interception of IEM signals. I've been studying how the interception of IEM (In-Ear Monitor) signals works. Considering that the UHF spectrum used by professional audio wireless systems (IEMs and wireless microphones) is broadly the same in many parts of the world, why do they take audio from IEMs only in Japan? Is there something unique about Japan's regulatory landscape that facilitates this? Or could similar interception practices be occurring unnoticed in regions like Europe and the USA?