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Yeah I do have to agree with this. I also think Guy O, unlike Freddy, caves into her more. I think Freddy would stand up to her and knew how to convince her that certain things were best for her, while stroking her ego. I think Guy and M are too close as friends and it is harder to be tough with a friend. 

I feel like Seymour (who ran Sire at the time M was signed, not WB) gets too much credit. Michael Rosenblatt was far more instrumental in Madonna's early rise. Seymour more than likely signed her in part because of Rosenblatt, who guided her very early career. Not that Seymour did nothing, he did and should be credited too of course. 
M had been having issues with WB for a while, especially where Maverick was concerned. I do think there was some bad blood there and when Live Nation (who to that point, had only been in charge of her recent tours) came out with the massive 360 deal, WB couldn't match it and M walked. We also don't know how much Guy O may have convinced her it was the right thing to do. I don't say this to slag him.
I do also wonder if M and Guy R were done when she signed the deal in 2007. On Madonnatribe in 2007 or early 2008 there was a post from some anon that said M and Guy were going to divorce but she wanted to wait until promo for the album was done so she wouldn't need to deal with the publicity and they could split quietly. Everyone responded that the poster was a moron. I have never been able to find the post since. If this was true, maybe in 2007 she decided to throw herself into work and the ten year deal was attractive as it meant work, work, work. She has admitted to signing to tour a long schedule and then regretting it. 

Thanks for that. It is interesting how quickly she often pulled things together back then

Didn't David Fincher say WB didn't really want this single released. He pushed M to do it as he had a great video in mind. So they probably didn't want to spend the money.
My other guess would be that WB felt the single was too Adult Contemporary. Older people were less likely to buy a 7" single and would be more likely to buy a cassette single. In fact WB was trying to phase 7" singles out, which is why from Vogue onwards none of her US 7" releases had picture sleeves. Cassette singles were a little bit more up market at the time than 7" singles. I think they assumed only young people bought 7" singles as they were cheap and young people wouldn't buy Oh Father so why spend the money. M had young fans so she was one of the few that continued to have 7" releases post 1990. 
In terms of Keep It Together. WB was desperate to restore M's top 10 status. KIT was a dance single and they probably thought would appeal to her younger audience, so they did the picture sleeve for the 7"
By the time of Vogue, as a I said above, WB was done with the 7". I guess the cassette single was selling well enough that they could mostly abandon the 7" format (for the record, the cassette maxi in 1987 did not sell as well as the 12" which is why the 12" stayed and the cassette maxi was shelved, it returned in 1992 and was gone again by 1994)

Yeah, but not sure that was a thought to the record companies back then, plus the video would have cost a bundle so maybe they hoped they would recoup some money through the single. Also M was so successful that if she asked for a single release back then, WB was probably willing to take the risk. Though not a massive risk. I think it was Prince who implied M pretty much got whatever she wanted at WB, to a point anyway. 

Good read. 
I just remember back then we didn't know a single was coming out. We'd discover it during a weekly trip to the mall or record store. And then I could never figure out why one single would have all formats covered and why some would only have 1 or 2 or maybe 3 .. I wanted to collect them all. 
I wish I had this in mind then. 

Thanks for that. It is interesting how quickly she often pulled things together back then

*insert comment about the editing process of the Madame X Tour DVD here*

Yeah, but not sure that was a thought to the record companies back then, plus the video would have cost a bundle so maybe they hoped they would recoup some money through the single. Also M was so successful that if she asked for a single release back then, WB was probably willing to take the risk. Though not a massive risk. I think it was Prince who implied M pretty much got whatever she wanted at WB, to a point anyway. 

Hi all
I have always wanted to edit the different pro shot footage we have of Erotica to use different angles. Think of this as a work print. You can definitely tell the difference between the three sources, so this isn't about a flawless edit, I am not even sure I could match the three close enough for that. However it is interesting how much better this number is when you focus mostly on Madonna. Instead of constant wide shots and cut aways. I use those sparingly or where I have no other choice.
Let me know what you think in terms of flow and pacing and all that. This was done quickly, so I don't expect you all to be blown away. Just a quick edit to give an idea of how much better it would have been to have more close-ups and focus on M. The choreography is so small and detailed that wide shots and cut aways ruin it IMO.
Maybe one day I will try to work on a better edit, if I have the time.
The sources used are below - note to those contributers, if you are not happy with me using these I will take this down. It is an unlisted video anyway.
AUDIO - @Craigypants I believe this is the HBO mix that is remastered
VIDEO 1 - Fukuoka 2K remaster @DanK (Sorry I credited the wrong person, now fixed)
VIDEO 2 - HBO Broadcast (I really have no idea where I got this)
VIDEO 3 - Girlie Show Live Down Under DVD remaster by youtuber Interlacedgeek
 
 

My question is why would you want that? Mainstream music is so vapid, nothing of any value, and all those involved are generally puppets who are too weak to stand for anything unless it is pre-approved (yeah I am looking at you Beyonce) We are currently in the most socially turbulent time since about the 1960's, yet the mainstream music scene is silent.
 
Here are some reasons why I think Madonna has had trouble and why she might not have another top 40 hit.
 
#1
 
The biggest mistake she made was taking a back seat to her producers, her songs no longer were Madonna songs, they became more the work of her producers with a bit of Madonna thrown in. Also the amount of absolute crap she has put with in more recent years with producers is shocking to me. 
 
Sorry, but who here believes someone like Pharell could make Madonna cry and still be alive and working today? Who here believes that Diplo would be missing in action and Madonna would have to chase him down just to get the album finished, or that William Orbit would bitch about Madonna not even being in the studio most of the time.
 
Does that sound like Madonna? Not to me.
 
#2
 
Radio in the US dumped Madonna in 2003 and never looked back, despite her continuing international success, so she might have a chance for an international hit, but a US hit, not likely. Since 2003 Madonna has become more politically vocal, so she would have alienated a large portion of casual fans who might have liked her music. 
 
Those pop singers that do well, generally keep their mouths shut. Taylor never makes political statements, she couldn't even drag herself to the women's march for an appearance despite her girl army antics. Beyonce waited until BLM became popular, jumped on, then jumped right off again once the backlash began, and was silent about the blatant discrimination in Houston against those who are LGBTQ+. Anyone ever hear anything even slightly controversial from Adele? Katy? Any of them? Even Miley with her rebel heart is pretty silent on the big issues. Those who compare her to Madonna, well, no.
 
These pop singers know their audience is not just liberal minded, they have conservative fans too. Madonna doesn't care, she says what she wants and there are consequences for that.
 
#3
 
Pop singers these days can't even manage a hit without resorting to payola and cheap tricks. Now you have to release every song off the album at once and see which one sticks and promote it, if that fails, just move on to the next song, can you imagine Madonna doing this?
 
They also buy back their own music to give it exposure, buying back is cheap as obviously they get money back on any sale. If you think big stars of today are not doing this, think again. 
 
There are certain performers who obviously have industry media in their back pocket. Remember Roger Friedman and Mariah's unholy alliance, or the way Billboard has basically propped Gaga, changing rules and then changing them back and giving her the woman of the year award in a year when she did basically f**k all and had little to no success. Is it any wonder why you will see a song slide down the charts into the abyss, then magically hit the top 10 some weeks later, lol to anyone who thinks a well timed tv performance makes that happen.
 
#4
 
Back to the ageism, yes it is there, but it isn't just about the media. I know a lot of younger people who will gladly admit Madonna is a legend, but have zero interest in anything she does, they don't care how good it is. Most 20 something year olds just won't listen to anyone in their 50's and 60's. They are apathetic about her, that is basically a sign your mainstream success is done.
 
It feels as if Madonna let go of the idea of mainstream success, so I see her doing more music that is totally against the mainstream (that is my hope) her living overseas will most likely bring a more world music flavour to her songs and it feels like she is more in charge and quite passionate. Really all she needs is to gain back her control in the studio and we will have a solid album.
 
Will this mean a possible hit in the future? Possibly, but frankly I doubt it. 

That is exactly it. Batman movie and music  score (May 89) along with Prince's linked album came out exactly a year prior to BA which was obviously a huge marketing success lasting at the box office for 6 months. Dick Tracy was expected to match that success. The Batman "tribute" was right before the Dick Tracy segment of the show. 

Hi all
I have always wanted to edit the different pro shot footage we have of Erotica to use different angles. Think of this as a work print. You can definitely tell the difference between the three sources, so this isn't about a flawless edit, I am not even sure I could match the three close enough for that. However it is interesting how much better this number is when you focus mostly on Madonna. Instead of constant wide shots and cut aways. I use those sparingly or where I have no other choice.
Let me know what you think in terms of flow and pacing and all that. This was done quickly, so I don't expect you all to be blown away. Just a quick edit to give an idea of how much better it would have been to have more close-ups and focus on M. The choreography is so small and detailed that wide shots and cut aways ruin it IMO.
Maybe one day I will try to work on a better edit, if I have the time.
The sources used are below - note to those contributers, if you are not happy with me using these I will take this down. It is an unlisted video anyway.
AUDIO - @Craigypants I believe this is the HBO mix that is remastered
VIDEO 1 - Fukuoka 2K remaster @DanK (Sorry I credited the wrong person, now fixed)
VIDEO 2 - HBO Broadcast (I really have no idea where I got this)
VIDEO 3 - Girlie Show Live Down Under DVD remaster by youtuber Interlacedgeek
 
 

Hi all
I have always wanted to edit the different pro shot footage we have of Erotica to use different angles. Think of this as a work print. You can definitely tell the difference between the three sources, so this isn't about a flawless edit, I am not even sure I could match the three close enough for that. However it is interesting how much better this number is when you focus mostly on Madonna. Instead of constant wide shots and cut aways. I use those sparingly or where I have no other choice.
Let me know what you think in terms of flow and pacing and all that. This was done quickly, so I don't expect you all to be blown away. Just a quick edit to give an idea of how much better it would have been to have more close-ups and focus on M. The choreography is so small and detailed that wide shots and cut aways ruin it IMO.
Maybe one day I will try to work on a better edit, if I have the time.
The sources used are below - note to those contributers, if you are not happy with me using these I will take this down. It is an unlisted video anyway.
AUDIO - @Craigypants I believe this is the HBO mix that is remastered
VIDEO 1 - Fukuoka 2K remaster @DanK (Sorry I credited the wrong person, now fixed)
VIDEO 2 - HBO Broadcast (I really have no idea where I got this)
VIDEO 3 - Girlie Show Live Down Under DVD remaster by youtuber Interlacedgeek
 
 

We shouldn't forget Princess Diana either. It was a massive deal for her to actually hug AIDS patients at time when people were still afraid to be in the same room with someone with the Virus.
Liz Taylor did so much as mentioned
M didn't just support AIDS causes, but supported loving who you want to love and being yourself. As a young gay man she helped me in some dark times. Just knowing someone out there accepted me. 
A lot of young people are ignorant to the past. There are still Gaga fans who want to credit her for total LGBTQ+ acceptance and even blamed M for spreading AIDS. 
I find in general it is best to just ignore them. We as fans just need to stop fighting and instead do what M won't do. Share her legacy far and wide. I am in the process of putting together some YT vids and other stuff. Might take some time but will get it out there. I would rather that than fighting with people who are ignorant and don't want to acknowledge what M did for us, regardless of receipts. They are not worth the energy

We shouldn't forget Princess Diana either. It was a massive deal for her to actually hug AIDS patients at time when people were still afraid to be in the same room with someone with the Virus.
Liz Taylor did so much as mentioned
M didn't just support AIDS causes, but supported loving who you want to love and being yourself. As a young gay man she helped me in some dark times. Just knowing someone out there accepted me. 
A lot of young people are ignorant to the past. There are still Gaga fans who want to credit her for total LGBTQ+ acceptance and even blamed M for spreading AIDS. 
I find in general it is best to just ignore them. We as fans just need to stop fighting and instead do what M won't do. Share her legacy far and wide. I am in the process of putting together some YT vids and other stuff. Might take some time but will get it out there. I would rather that than fighting with people who are ignorant and don't want to acknowledge what M did for us, regardless of receipts. They are not worth the energy

We shouldn't forget Princess Diana either. It was a massive deal for her to actually hug AIDS patients at time when people were still afraid to be in the same room with someone with the Virus.
Liz Taylor did so much as mentioned
M didn't just support AIDS causes, but supported loving who you want to love and being yourself. As a young gay man she helped me in some dark times. Just knowing someone out there accepted me. 
A lot of young people are ignorant to the past. There are still Gaga fans who want to credit her for total LGBTQ+ acceptance and even blamed M for spreading AIDS. 
I find in general it is best to just ignore them. We as fans just need to stop fighting and instead do what M won't do. Share her legacy far and wide. I am in the process of putting together some YT vids and other stuff. Might take some time but will get it out there. I would rather that than fighting with people who are ignorant and don't want to acknowledge what M did for us, regardless of receipts. They are not worth the energy

Film standard is 24 frames per second (fps). PAL uses 25 frames due to the frame rate/Hertz of televisions/tech in those countries. Instead of correcting this they simply run the 24 frame rate at 25. This means instead of getting 24 frames per second you are getting 25 frames and as a result the film is being run slightly faster. You can tell in the PAL DVD the tempo is just slightly sped up. Run the PAL DVD concert footage next to the Blu Ray footage and you will notice it runs a tad faster. Over the course of two hours you will "lose" 5 minutes due to this speed up.
NTSC is 30 frames or 29.97 frames per second. If you were to run a 24 frame per second film in 30 frames it would be sped up like chimpmunks, so they use a process to correct this so it runs at the normal rate on a 30 fps unit. 
The film is not edited, it is simply sped up to correct for the different tech standards in different countries.

Film standard is 24 frames per second (fps). PAL uses 25 frames due to the frame rate/Hertz of televisions/tech in those countries. Instead of correcting this they simply run the 24 frame rate at 25. This means instead of getting 24 frames per second you are getting 25 frames and as a result the film is being run slightly faster. You can tell in the PAL DVD the tempo is just slightly sped up. Run the PAL DVD concert footage next to the Blu Ray footage and you will notice it runs a tad faster. Over the course of two hours you will "lose" 5 minutes due to this speed up.
NTSC is 30 frames or 29.97 frames per second. If you were to run a 24 frame per second film in 30 frames it would be sped up like chimpmunks, so they use a process to correct this so it runs at the normal rate on a 30 fps unit. 
The film is not edited, it is simply sped up to correct for the different tech standards in different countries.

The value of going to a concert has changed. Back in the 80's, most people would not pay more than $15 - $20 for a ticket to any show except older legends like Frank Sinatra. Pretty sure there was no ticketing tier system. It was generally one price for all. Madonna type shows (more theatrical) were rare, the effects, costumes and sets were generally minimal in most concerts. So there was no desire to pay hundreds of dollars to see a band play with a cool light show.
The Virgin Tour was $15USD roughly or or $35USD today.
Who's that Girl? was around $20 - $23USD (depending if you saw her in a stadium or arena) which is roughly $50
Blond Ambition was a flat $30USD - $32USD (depending on location). With inflation that comes to roughly $60 now.
The tier system began around Girlie Show, with Gold Circle ticket prices. I remember in Australia the Gold Circle was around $200AUD which is $380AUD today or about $240 US.
Interestlingly there was a newspaper article from 1990 that said Madonna charged more in Japan (around $40 - $45USD) than the US because the market demand was high enough. This helped make up for a loss the show would experience throughout the US as a result of operating costs for the tour being higher than the revenue. She also charged slightly higher in Europe.
In 1993 I know Mexico, Australia and some others had 3 or 4 ticketing tiers and I think Europe and the US had maybe two. I think by 2001 with Drowned World the expensive front row ticket and tier system was in place everywhere.
It is worth noting that the cost to produce a Madonna show went up quite a bit compared to the 1980's. 

The value of going to a concert has changed. Back in the 80's, most people would not pay more than $15 - $20 for a ticket to any show except older legends like Frank Sinatra. Pretty sure there was no ticketing tier system. It was generally one price for all. Madonna type shows (more theatrical) were rare, the effects, costumes and sets were generally minimal in most concerts. So there was no desire to pay hundreds of dollars to see a band play with a cool light show.
The Virgin Tour was $15USD roughly or or $35USD today.
Who's that Girl? was around $20 - $23USD (depending if you saw her in a stadium or arena) which is roughly $50
Blond Ambition was a flat $30USD - $32USD (depending on location). With inflation that comes to roughly $60 now.
The tier system began around Girlie Show, with Gold Circle ticket prices. I remember in Australia the Gold Circle was around $200AUD which is $380AUD today or about $240 US.
Interestlingly there was a newspaper article from 1990 that said Madonna charged more in Japan (around $40 - $45USD) than the US because the market demand was high enough. This helped make up for a loss the show would experience throughout the US as a result of operating costs for the tour being higher than the revenue. She also charged slightly higher in Europe.
In 1993 I know Mexico, Australia and some others had 3 or 4 ticketing tiers and I think Europe and the US had maybe two. I think by 2001 with Drowned World the expensive front row ticket and tier system was in place everywhere.
It is worth noting that the cost to produce a Madonna show went up quite a bit compared to the 1980's. 

Film standard is 24 frames per second (fps). PAL uses 25 frames due to the frame rate/Hertz of televisions/tech in those countries. Instead of correcting this they simply run the 24 frame rate at 25. This means instead of getting 24 frames per second you are getting 25 frames and as a result the film is being run slightly faster. You can tell in the PAL DVD the tempo is just slightly sped up. Run the PAL DVD concert footage next to the Blu Ray footage and you will notice it runs a tad faster. Over the course of two hours you will "lose" 5 minutes due to this speed up.
NTSC is 30 frames or 29.97 frames per second. If you were to run a 24 frame per second film in 30 frames it would be sped up like chimpmunks, so they use a process to correct this so it runs at the normal rate on a 30 fps unit. 
The film is not edited, it is simply sped up to correct for the different tech standards in different countries.

Film standard is 24 frames per second (fps). PAL uses 25 frames due to the frame rate/Hertz of televisions/tech in those countries. Instead of correcting this they simply run the 24 frame rate at 25. This means instead of getting 24 frames per second you are getting 25 frames and as a result the film is being run slightly faster. You can tell in the PAL DVD the tempo is just slightly sped up. Run the PAL DVD concert footage next to the Blu Ray footage and you will notice it runs a tad faster. Over the course of two hours you will "lose" 5 minutes due to this speed up.
NTSC is 30 frames or 29.97 frames per second. If you were to run a 24 frame per second film in 30 frames it would be sped up like chimpmunks, so they use a process to correct this so it runs at the normal rate on a 30 fps unit. 
The film is not edited, it is simply sped up to correct for the different tech standards in different countries.

That's what I assumed but webo1958 from instagram contacted Sharon Gault (I think, that's Mama Make-up right?) and she said Madonna wanted it that way. My assumption is that in Vigo her hair was pretty flat and loose and fell apart quickly, so she may have wanted more volume and hold. 
And yeah I would say the humidity affected it, but seems Madonna did ask for her hair to be like this