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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from ChristosM in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    What? MDNA and Rebel Heart's editing was the worst I've ever seen on a major popstar ever. 
    The filters. The fast cuts. The random slowdowns during the parts she's actually doing fast choreography. The multiple shows, different costumes everywhere breaking continuity. The vocals being drowned. She even used vocals from the S&S tour DVD for the Like a Virgin performance and everything 
    Cutting Love Don't live Here Anymore everywhere and Take a Bow / Like a Prayer from Rebel Heart and including the last two as bonus in multiple counties.
    MDNA specially is the most expensive show Madonna has ever done. Deserved a real cinematic release. The wasted opportunity really.
    S&S lacks the feel of live vocals but everything else is there. I actually felt I was watching a show instead of a trailer.
    I seriously hope she does nothing with Madame X and leaves it to actual pros. 
  2. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues reacted to madenis in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    She sang la vie en rose with the help of David
    So cute
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from RUADJAI in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    It started out as an intimate tour and will end as such. 
    And if anything this tour showed is that she does theaters in an amazing way. It was an experience and she was amazing. The problems that happened were really not her fault (except the late start times). 
    I mean...reviews alone are better for this tour than in any of her most recent arena tours and she knows how to do this in intimate spaces.
    I really don't think we're seeing Madonna traveling the world and visit a country for a show and move on. 
    I do agree with the last sentence. I need dance Madonna back. I'm listening to the new Dua Lipa songs (who's with Warner Bros btw) and i can't help but wonder how Madonna would sound if she revisted the 80's with an album now with a modern twist like Dua is doing. (kinda like Confessions...but for the 80's era) 
    After watching her doing all these 80's hairdos lately (Crave music video and her London party like a week ago) i can actually picture it. Shame it won't happen though.
  4. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Homer GR ✖️ in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    What? MDNA and Rebel Heart's editing was the worst I've ever seen on a major popstar ever. 
    The filters. The fast cuts. The random slowdowns during the parts she's actually doing fast choreography. The multiple shows, different costumes everywhere breaking continuity. The vocals being drowned. She even used vocals from the S&S tour DVD for the Like a Virgin performance and everything 
    Cutting Love Don't live Here Anymore everywhere and Take a Bow / Like a Prayer from Rebel Heart and including the last two as bonus in multiple counties.
    MDNA specially is the most expensive show Madonna has ever done. Deserved a real cinematic release. The wasted opportunity really.
    S&S lacks the feel of live vocals but everything else is there. I actually felt I was watching a show instead of a trailer.
    I seriously hope she does nothing with Madame X and leaves it to actual pros. 
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from nito84bcn in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    What? MDNA and Rebel Heart's editing was the worst I've ever seen on a major popstar ever. 
    The filters. The fast cuts. The random slowdowns during the parts she's actually doing fast choreography. The multiple shows, different costumes everywhere breaking continuity. The vocals being drowned. She even used vocals from the S&S tour DVD for the Like a Virgin performance and everything 
    Cutting Love Don't live Here Anymore everywhere and Take a Bow / Like a Prayer from Rebel Heart and including the last two as bonus in multiple counties.
    MDNA specially is the most expensive show Madonna has ever done. Deserved a real cinematic release. The wasted opportunity really.
    S&S lacks the feel of live vocals but everything else is there. I actually felt I was watching a show instead of a trailer.
    I seriously hope she does nothing with Madame X and leaves it to actual pros. 
  6. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Voguerista in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    It started out as an intimate tour and will end as such. 
    And if anything this tour showed is that she does theaters in an amazing way. It was an experience and she was amazing. The problems that happened were really not her fault (except the late start times). 
    I mean...reviews alone are better for this tour than in any of her most recent arena tours and she knows how to do this in intimate spaces.
    I really don't think we're seeing Madonna traveling the world and visit a country for a show and move on. 
    I do agree with the last sentence. I need dance Madonna back. I'm listening to the new Dua Lipa songs (who's with Warner Bros btw) and i can't help but wonder how Madonna would sound if she revisted the 80's with an album now with a modern twist like Dua is doing. (kinda like Confessions...but for the 80's era) 
    After watching her doing all these 80's hairdos lately (Crave music video and her London party like a week ago) i can actually picture it. Shame it won't happen though.
  7. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from moon1 in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    What? MDNA and Rebel Heart's editing was the worst I've ever seen on a major popstar ever. 
    The filters. The fast cuts. The random slowdowns during the parts she's actually doing fast choreography. The multiple shows, different costumes everywhere breaking continuity. The vocals being drowned. She even used vocals from the S&S tour DVD for the Like a Virgin performance and everything 
    Cutting Love Don't live Here Anymore everywhere and Take a Bow / Like a Prayer from Rebel Heart and including the last two as bonus in multiple counties.
    MDNA specially is the most expensive show Madonna has ever done. Deserved a real cinematic release. The wasted opportunity really.
    S&S lacks the feel of live vocals but everything else is there. I actually felt I was watching a show instead of a trailer.
    I seriously hope she does nothing with Madame X and leaves it to actual pros. 
  8. Thanks
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from o_g_c_x in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    What? MDNA and Rebel Heart's editing was the worst I've ever seen on a major popstar ever. 
    The filters. The fast cuts. The random slowdowns during the parts she's actually doing fast choreography. The multiple shows, different costumes everywhere breaking continuity. The vocals being drowned. She even used vocals from the S&S tour DVD for the Like a Virgin performance and everything 
    Cutting Love Don't live Here Anymore everywhere and Take a Bow / Like a Prayer from Rebel Heart and including the last two as bonus in multiple counties.
    MDNA specially is the most expensive show Madonna has ever done. Deserved a real cinematic release. The wasted opportunity really.
    S&S lacks the feel of live vocals but everything else is there. I actually felt I was watching a show instead of a trailer.
    I seriously hope she does nothing with Madame X and leaves it to actual pros. 
  9. Thanks
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from dylanlioncourt in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    What? MDNA and Rebel Heart's editing was the worst I've ever seen on a major popstar ever. 
    The filters. The fast cuts. The random slowdowns during the parts she's actually doing fast choreography. The multiple shows, different costumes everywhere breaking continuity. The vocals being drowned. She even used vocals from the S&S tour DVD for the Like a Virgin performance and everything 
    Cutting Love Don't live Here Anymore everywhere and Take a Bow / Like a Prayer from Rebel Heart and including the last two as bonus in multiple counties.
    MDNA specially is the most expensive show Madonna has ever done. Deserved a real cinematic release. The wasted opportunity really.
    S&S lacks the feel of live vocals but everything else is there. I actually felt I was watching a show instead of a trailer.
    I seriously hope she does nothing with Madame X and leaves it to actual pros. 
  10. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Enrico in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    What? MDNA and Rebel Heart's editing was the worst I've ever seen on a major popstar ever. 
    The filters. The fast cuts. The random slowdowns during the parts she's actually doing fast choreography. The multiple shows, different costumes everywhere breaking continuity. The vocals being drowned. She even used vocals from the S&S tour DVD for the Like a Virgin performance and everything 
    Cutting Love Don't live Here Anymore everywhere and Take a Bow / Like a Prayer from Rebel Heart and including the last two as bonus in multiple counties.
    MDNA specially is the most expensive show Madonna has ever done. Deserved a real cinematic release. The wasted opportunity really.
    S&S lacks the feel of live vocals but everything else is there. I actually felt I was watching a show instead of a trailer.
    I seriously hope she does nothing with Madame X and leaves it to actual pros. 
  11. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from notbizzre in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    What? MDNA and Rebel Heart's editing was the worst I've ever seen on a major popstar ever. 
    The filters. The fast cuts. The random slowdowns during the parts she's actually doing fast choreography. The multiple shows, different costumes everywhere breaking continuity. The vocals being drowned. She even used vocals from the S&S tour DVD for the Like a Virgin performance and everything 
    Cutting Love Don't live Here Anymore everywhere and Take a Bow / Like a Prayer from Rebel Heart and including the last two as bonus in multiple counties.
    MDNA specially is the most expensive show Madonna has ever done. Deserved a real cinematic release. The wasted opportunity really.
    S&S lacks the feel of live vocals but everything else is there. I actually felt I was watching a show instead of a trailer.
    I seriously hope she does nothing with Madame X and leaves it to actual pros. 
  12. Haha
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues reacted to steady75 in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Thank you for telling us all what to do and how to feel. Appreciated. 
  13. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from nito84bcn in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    Wait... people still defend stuff like this in here? The show ended at 2am guys.
    A show scheduled to start at 21:30 /9:30 ended at 2:15 and people still go "wat? People go to bed early in France?"
    This is hugely disrespectful. What's next? 3am to end the show? Getting home at 4am? Seriously...
    I can only imagine people that needed transportation to get home. She deserves the bad publicity.
  14. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Lude86 in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    I knew someone would post something like this. My original post is bigger than that. I see a woman with determination in both those years you mention. I see someone with a hunger and someone who knew what she was doing. Someone that even if you didn't like her, or even cared for her, you could see she knew what she was doing, had an audience and respected it and "fed" it as well. One was simply more mature than the other. But both were totally in control of their careers. That's not happening in 2019. 
    Going from a stable relationship, respecting her audiences, presenting tours that you know people will care, going fully prepared for televised performances in your 40's to going to boy toys 40 years younger than you, changing your body / face, wearing grillz, padding in your ass, making tours 80% with album tracks, half-assed performances like Eurovision, the one she did with Drake, the Billboard awards and making her biggest fans waiting 3 hours for a show isn't evolving. Sounds more like de-volving for me both in terms of confidence in your appearance, in knowledge of your own business, etc. As you age you're supposed to become more confident, wiser, etc...this isn't happening to her, clearly. 
    I thought i made it clear in the OP, sorry.
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    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from dylanlioncourt in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    Wait... people still defend stuff like this in here? The show ended at 2am guys.
    A show scheduled to start at 21:30 /9:30 ended at 2:15 and people still go "wat? People go to bed early in France?"
    This is hugely disrespectful. What's next? 3am to end the show? Getting home at 4am? Seriously...
    I can only imagine people that needed transportation to get home. She deserves the bad publicity.
  16. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from heikeeduardo in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    Wait... people still defend stuff like this in here? The show ended at 2am guys.
    A show scheduled to start at 21:30 /9:30 ended at 2:15 and people still go "wat? People go to bed early in France?"
    This is hugely disrespectful. What's next? 3am to end the show? Getting home at 4am? Seriously...
    I can only imagine people that needed transportation to get home. She deserves the bad publicity.
  17. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from mikaskin in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    Wait... people still defend stuff like this in here? The show ended at 2am guys.
    A show scheduled to start at 21:30 /9:30 ended at 2:15 and people still go "wat? People go to bed early in France?"
    This is hugely disrespectful. What's next? 3am to end the show? Getting home at 4am? Seriously...
    I can only imagine people that needed transportation to get home. She deserves the bad publicity.
  18. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from Dick Tracy in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Let's sit down guys cause this is going to take a while and i'm about to vent a bit:
    I was just watching Oprah's 1998 interview and then the Live Earth performance from 2007 for the first time in years...and i was thinking about how she looked like a completely different person back then. Not just physically, but her attitude as well.
    I also realized...it was the last time we saw old school Madonna on stage with no major cosmetic surgery and before the drama hit her marriage, before Hard Candy, before S&S tour and before she was considered to be "following trends instead of creating them" as people say. She was just...so cool and confident on that stage! Amazing vocals, dancing 100% of the time, choreo on point. That's who i fell in love with.
    A lot is said about how Guy Oseary taking over changed things...and even though i agree, it's also okay to point out how this was the point Madonna as a person changed, right? Am i alone in this?
    What do you guys think happened at the end of that marriage that shaped Madonna to being the person she is right now? She literally went from being an english housewife that writes children books and has a british accent to excessive plastic surgery, dating boytoys, an overall less secure person than before to the point she's not even comfortable on letting her ego share a talk show with other people. I mean...her Graham Norton show appearances even from 2012 to 2019 are night and day honestly.
    Career wise she always progressed in terms of ideas and you could feel an artistic evolution from her first album until American Life. Re-Invention Tour and the Confessions era was her "damage control" phase and worked for her. Why? She knew she had to deliver. Thinking only about herself and her artistic growth wouldn't get her anywhere and this IS a business after all. She was still modern, but doing 70's inspired disco music and that attracted multiple generations but everyone thought she was the coolest. i remember it so well. It was also the first Madonna era i was a fan of hers. My parents loved her, i was almost 18 and loved her. My cousins weren't even 10 and loved her.
    How did we go from this to wearing grillz, dating boy toys, that Drake kiss, Bitch I'm Madonna phase, whatever she did at that VMA award where she told that Aretha Franklin story that went nowhere while dressed like...that. Going completely unprepared to Eurovision. How bad her vocal preparation was for that and even the BB Awards performances, and most of all...how unprofessional she became?
    She was going through hell during S&S in 2008 and somehow she always kept it professional. Yes she could start a show like half an hour after its initial time...but nothing major.
    How did we go from that stadium tour to  a theater tour that couldn't be worse organized, from that lottery program, to delayed shows at the start of the tour, then each city, then cancellations 3 hours before showtime, to Madonna saying she's being censored by the UK's curfew? Like...she's been performing there since the 80's. She always did her shows because she showed up on time. How can she not realize all this?
    I always loved her, and i think i always will...but Madonna since Eurovision has been even harder to be...likable, even as a diehard fan. Never in a million years i ever expected Madonna to perform to an audience of over 200 million people completely unprepared like that. 
    Is she really living in such a bubble that she doesn't realize everything bad she's doing to her career?
    Has she been told so many times how great she is, she actually started to believe she was? She was always great at this business because she knew her strengths and lows...which right now...she doesn't. Speaking of which...i won't even mention the fact she went on doing a stadium tour in 2012 with basically album tracks (and hits completely changed from their original versions) from an album that didn't sell 2 million copies. Just 4 years before, she did a stadium tour and of course...she did hits. You NEED to know your audience. Somehow...she doesn't anymore. 
    And yes she was always bitchy, sometimes cocky, always had a dry and sarcastic sense of humor, that's still there to this day. But she was always a pro. A hard working pro. And we could always count on her to deliver and she was always the best at doing that. 
    Now she can still be...after waiting for hours...in venues with no AC on, after we stressed for months over lottery programs, canceled shows, reschedules, etc.
    We also started to witness her victimizing herself more and more. Yes ageism exists...but you can't blame everything on sexism, ageism, etc. Look how she handled the SEX era. Watch those interviews from back then. She outsmarted everyone by being witty and confident. Now she cries on instagram. What happened?
    What do you guys think about all this? And please, if you're pretending "this is the same madonna as always"...let's not fool ourselves. She's a totally different person and it's okay to admit. I love her and will always. That's why this is a bit hard to witness. Even harder to see her vocals being so amazing right now. Where was all that before Eurovision? Madame X album recordings (it's clear she had no vocal training before doing this record), etc?
    Do you think all we need is a better team?
    What's next for her? What do you still expect from Madonna?
  19. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from danMfan in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    Wait... people still defend stuff like this in here? The show ended at 2am guys.
    A show scheduled to start at 21:30 /9:30 ended at 2:15 and people still go "wat? People go to bed early in France?"
    This is hugely disrespectful. What's next? 3am to end the show? Getting home at 4am? Seriously...
    I can only imagine people that needed transportation to get home. She deserves the bad publicity.
  20. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from truerebel in Madame X Tour | Paris   
    Wait... people still defend stuff like this in here? The show ended at 2am guys.
    A show scheduled to start at 21:30 /9:30 ended at 2:15 and people still go "wat? People go to bed early in France?"
    This is hugely disrespectful. What's next? 3am to end the show? Getting home at 4am? Seriously...
    I can only imagine people that needed transportation to get home. She deserves the bad publicity.
  21. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from MDMWhat in Madame X Tour | London   
    2 years ago all we got were those selfies. Those damn selfies.
    This is a step in the right direction.
  22. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from I am madonna in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Let's sit down guys cause this is going to take a while and i'm about to vent a bit:
    I was just watching Oprah's 1998 interview and then the Live Earth performance from 2007 for the first time in years...and i was thinking about how she looked like a completely different person back then. Not just physically, but her attitude as well.
    I also realized...it was the last time we saw old school Madonna on stage with no major cosmetic surgery and before the drama hit her marriage, before Hard Candy, before S&S tour and before she was considered to be "following trends instead of creating them" as people say. She was just...so cool and confident on that stage! Amazing vocals, dancing 100% of the time, choreo on point. That's who i fell in love with.
    A lot is said about how Guy Oseary taking over changed things...and even though i agree, it's also okay to point out how this was the point Madonna as a person changed, right? Am i alone in this?
    What do you guys think happened at the end of that marriage that shaped Madonna to being the person she is right now? She literally went from being an english housewife that writes children books and has a british accent to excessive plastic surgery, dating boytoys, an overall less secure person than before to the point she's not even comfortable on letting her ego share a talk show with other people. I mean...her Graham Norton show appearances even from 2012 to 2019 are night and day honestly.
    Career wise she always progressed in terms of ideas and you could feel an artistic evolution from her first album until American Life. Re-Invention Tour and the Confessions era was her "damage control" phase and worked for her. Why? She knew she had to deliver. Thinking only about herself and her artistic growth wouldn't get her anywhere and this IS a business after all. She was still modern, but doing 70's inspired disco music and that attracted multiple generations but everyone thought she was the coolest. i remember it so well. It was also the first Madonna era i was a fan of hers. My parents loved her, i was almost 18 and loved her. My cousins weren't even 10 and loved her.
    How did we go from this to wearing grillz, dating boy toys, that Drake kiss, Bitch I'm Madonna phase, whatever she did at that VMA award where she told that Aretha Franklin story that went nowhere while dressed like...that. Going completely unprepared to Eurovision. How bad her vocal preparation was for that and even the BB Awards performances, and most of all...how unprofessional she became?
    She was going through hell during S&S in 2008 and somehow she always kept it professional. Yes she could start a show like half an hour after its initial time...but nothing major.
    How did we go from that stadium tour to  a theater tour that couldn't be worse organized, from that lottery program, to delayed shows at the start of the tour, then each city, then cancellations 3 hours before showtime, to Madonna saying she's being censored by the UK's curfew? Like...she's been performing there since the 80's. She always did her shows because she showed up on time. How can she not realize all this?
    I always loved her, and i think i always will...but Madonna since Eurovision has been even harder to be...likable, even as a diehard fan. Never in a million years i ever expected Madonna to perform to an audience of over 200 million people completely unprepared like that. 
    Is she really living in such a bubble that she doesn't realize everything bad she's doing to her career?
    Has she been told so many times how great she is, she actually started to believe she was? She was always great at this business because she knew her strengths and lows...which right now...she doesn't. Speaking of which...i won't even mention the fact she went on doing a stadium tour in 2012 with basically album tracks (and hits completely changed from their original versions) from an album that didn't sell 2 million copies. Just 4 years before, she did a stadium tour and of course...she did hits. You NEED to know your audience. Somehow...she doesn't anymore. 
    And yes she was always bitchy, sometimes cocky, always had a dry and sarcastic sense of humor, that's still there to this day. But she was always a pro. A hard working pro. And we could always count on her to deliver and she was always the best at doing that. 
    Now she can still be...after waiting for hours...in venues with no AC on, after we stressed for months over lottery programs, canceled shows, reschedules, etc.
    We also started to witness her victimizing herself more and more. Yes ageism exists...but you can't blame everything on sexism, ageism, etc. Look how she handled the SEX era. Watch those interviews from back then. She outsmarted everyone by being witty and confident. Now she cries on instagram. What happened?
    What do you guys think about all this? And please, if you're pretending "this is the same madonna as always"...let's not fool ourselves. She's a totally different person and it's okay to admit. I love her and will always. That's why this is a bit hard to witness. Even harder to see her vocals being so amazing right now. Where was all that before Eurovision? Madame X album recordings (it's clear she had no vocal training before doing this record), etc?
    Do you think all we need is a better team?
    What's next for her? What do you still expect from Madonna?
  23. Thanks
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from into the erotico in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Let's sit down guys cause this is going to take a while and i'm about to vent a bit:
    I was just watching Oprah's 1998 interview and then the Live Earth performance from 2007 for the first time in years...and i was thinking about how she looked like a completely different person back then. Not just physically, but her attitude as well.
    I also realized...it was the last time we saw old school Madonna on stage with no major cosmetic surgery and before the drama hit her marriage, before Hard Candy, before S&S tour and before she was considered to be "following trends instead of creating them" as people say. She was just...so cool and confident on that stage! Amazing vocals, dancing 100% of the time, choreo on point. That's who i fell in love with.
    A lot is said about how Guy Oseary taking over changed things...and even though i agree, it's also okay to point out how this was the point Madonna as a person changed, right? Am i alone in this?
    What do you guys think happened at the end of that marriage that shaped Madonna to being the person she is right now? She literally went from being an english housewife that writes children books and has a british accent to excessive plastic surgery, dating boytoys, an overall less secure person than before to the point she's not even comfortable on letting her ego share a talk show with other people. I mean...her Graham Norton show appearances even from 2012 to 2019 are night and day honestly.
    Career wise she always progressed in terms of ideas and you could feel an artistic evolution from her first album until American Life. Re-Invention Tour and the Confessions era was her "damage control" phase and worked for her. Why? She knew she had to deliver. Thinking only about herself and her artistic growth wouldn't get her anywhere and this IS a business after all. She was still modern, but doing 70's inspired disco music and that attracted multiple generations but everyone thought she was the coolest. i remember it so well. It was also the first Madonna era i was a fan of hers. My parents loved her, i was almost 18 and loved her. My cousins weren't even 10 and loved her.
    How did we go from this to wearing grillz, dating boy toys, that Drake kiss, Bitch I'm Madonna phase, whatever she did at that VMA award where she told that Aretha Franklin story that went nowhere while dressed like...that. Going completely unprepared to Eurovision. How bad her vocal preparation was for that and even the BB Awards performances, and most of all...how unprofessional she became?
    She was going through hell during S&S in 2008 and somehow she always kept it professional. Yes she could start a show like half an hour after its initial time...but nothing major.
    How did we go from that stadium tour to  a theater tour that couldn't be worse organized, from that lottery program, to delayed shows at the start of the tour, then each city, then cancellations 3 hours before showtime, to Madonna saying she's being censored by the UK's curfew? Like...she's been performing there since the 80's. She always did her shows because she showed up on time. How can she not realize all this?
    I always loved her, and i think i always will...but Madonna since Eurovision has been even harder to be...likable, even as a diehard fan. Never in a million years i ever expected Madonna to perform to an audience of over 200 million people completely unprepared like that. 
    Is she really living in such a bubble that she doesn't realize everything bad she's doing to her career?
    Has she been told so many times how great she is, she actually started to believe she was? She was always great at this business because she knew her strengths and lows...which right now...she doesn't. Speaking of which...i won't even mention the fact she went on doing a stadium tour in 2012 with basically album tracks (and hits completely changed from their original versions) from an album that didn't sell 2 million copies. Just 4 years before, she did a stadium tour and of course...she did hits. You NEED to know your audience. Somehow...she doesn't anymore. 
    And yes she was always bitchy, sometimes cocky, always had a dry and sarcastic sense of humor, that's still there to this day. But she was always a pro. A hard working pro. And we could always count on her to deliver and she was always the best at doing that. 
    Now she can still be...after waiting for hours...in venues with no AC on, after we stressed for months over lottery programs, canceled shows, reschedules, etc.
    We also started to witness her victimizing herself more and more. Yes ageism exists...but you can't blame everything on sexism, ageism, etc. Look how she handled the SEX era. Watch those interviews from back then. She outsmarted everyone by being witty and confident. Now she cries on instagram. What happened?
    What do you guys think about all this? And please, if you're pretending "this is the same madonna as always"...let's not fool ourselves. She's a totally different person and it's okay to admit. I love her and will always. That's why this is a bit hard to witness. Even harder to see her vocals being so amazing right now. Where was all that before Eurovision? Madame X album recordings (it's clear she had no vocal training before doing this record), etc?
    Do you think all we need is a better team?
    What's next for her? What do you still expect from Madonna?
  24. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from MDMWhat in Madame X Tour | London   
    RIT was one of the least physical tours? I actually say that about Confessions. First section only Like a Virgin could be a bit demanding. She walks and poses for most of Future Lovers, Jump and Get Together. If you think about it...her first actual dance break happens in Isaac followed by Sorry. Third section you only got Let It Will Be. It was basically the entire last section that was physical. 
    RIT you still had that Vogue/Nobody Knows Me moment. You got Express Yourself, Hanky Panky, Die Another Day, Don't Tell Me and the last section from 5 songs, 4 of them had heavy choreo. 
  25. Like
    Tiago Lisboa Rodrigues got a reaction from love hurts in No hating but...what happened to Madonna after 2007?   
    Let's sit down guys cause this is going to take a while and i'm about to vent a bit:
    I was just watching Oprah's 1998 interview and then the Live Earth performance from 2007 for the first time in years...and i was thinking about how she looked like a completely different person back then. Not just physically, but her attitude as well.
    I also realized...it was the last time we saw old school Madonna on stage with no major cosmetic surgery and before the drama hit her marriage, before Hard Candy, before S&S tour and before she was considered to be "following trends instead of creating them" as people say. She was just...so cool and confident on that stage! Amazing vocals, dancing 100% of the time, choreo on point. That's who i fell in love with.
    A lot is said about how Guy Oseary taking over changed things...and even though i agree, it's also okay to point out how this was the point Madonna as a person changed, right? Am i alone in this?
    What do you guys think happened at the end of that marriage that shaped Madonna to being the person she is right now? She literally went from being an english housewife that writes children books and has a british accent to excessive plastic surgery, dating boytoys, an overall less secure person than before to the point she's not even comfortable on letting her ego share a talk show with other people. I mean...her Graham Norton show appearances even from 2012 to 2019 are night and day honestly.
    Career wise she always progressed in terms of ideas and you could feel an artistic evolution from her first album until American Life. Re-Invention Tour and the Confessions era was her "damage control" phase and worked for her. Why? She knew she had to deliver. Thinking only about herself and her artistic growth wouldn't get her anywhere and this IS a business after all. She was still modern, but doing 70's inspired disco music and that attracted multiple generations but everyone thought she was the coolest. i remember it so well. It was also the first Madonna era i was a fan of hers. My parents loved her, i was almost 18 and loved her. My cousins weren't even 10 and loved her.
    How did we go from this to wearing grillz, dating boy toys, that Drake kiss, Bitch I'm Madonna phase, whatever she did at that VMA award where she told that Aretha Franklin story that went nowhere while dressed like...that. Going completely unprepared to Eurovision. How bad her vocal preparation was for that and even the BB Awards performances, and most of all...how unprofessional she became?
    She was going through hell during S&S in 2008 and somehow she always kept it professional. Yes she could start a show like half an hour after its initial time...but nothing major.
    How did we go from that stadium tour to  a theater tour that couldn't be worse organized, from that lottery program, to delayed shows at the start of the tour, then each city, then cancellations 3 hours before showtime, to Madonna saying she's being censored by the UK's curfew? Like...she's been performing there since the 80's. She always did her shows because she showed up on time. How can she not realize all this?
    I always loved her, and i think i always will...but Madonna since Eurovision has been even harder to be...likable, even as a diehard fan. Never in a million years i ever expected Madonna to perform to an audience of over 200 million people completely unprepared like that. 
    Is she really living in such a bubble that she doesn't realize everything bad she's doing to her career?
    Has she been told so many times how great she is, she actually started to believe she was? She was always great at this business because she knew her strengths and lows...which right now...she doesn't. Speaking of which...i won't even mention the fact she went on doing a stadium tour in 2012 with basically album tracks (and hits completely changed from their original versions) from an album that didn't sell 2 million copies. Just 4 years before, she did a stadium tour and of course...she did hits. You NEED to know your audience. Somehow...she doesn't anymore. 
    And yes she was always bitchy, sometimes cocky, always had a dry and sarcastic sense of humor, that's still there to this day. But she was always a pro. A hard working pro. And we could always count on her to deliver and she was always the best at doing that. 
    Now she can still be...after waiting for hours...in venues with no AC on, after we stressed for months over lottery programs, canceled shows, reschedules, etc.
    We also started to witness her victimizing herself more and more. Yes ageism exists...but you can't blame everything on sexism, ageism, etc. Look how she handled the SEX era. Watch those interviews from back then. She outsmarted everyone by being witty and confident. Now she cries on instagram. What happened?
    What do you guys think about all this? And please, if you're pretending "this is the same madonna as always"...let's not fool ourselves. She's a totally different person and it's okay to admit. I love her and will always. That's why this is a bit hard to witness. Even harder to see her vocals being so amazing right now. Where was all that before Eurovision? Madame X album recordings (it's clear she had no vocal training before doing this record), etc?
    Do you think all we need is a better team?
    What's next for her? What do you still expect from Madonna?
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